ok fellows... i wanted to open this thread to clarify some things. first of, i'd like to know what do you think, DOES studio version of Hangman really exist or it's just a hoax... we all heard live version. but to me, if they didn't record studio version, or demo of it, it would be pointless, since they recorded Liar and all songs they did. They made demo and studio versions of those early songs...
Questions are:
Do you think studio version of Hangman exist or no?
Did anyone from these Forums EVER hear snippet of full version (studio or demo) of Hangman?
Also i'd like to know if Brian or anyone from the band EVER said that studio/demo version of Hangman exist or does not exitst...
Please, explain your answers. Let's not ruin this topic..
thunderbolt 31742 · Member since
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[b]theCro wrote: [/b]
ok fellows... i wanted to open this thread to clarify some things. first of, i'd like to know what do you think, DOES studio version of Hangman really exist or it's just a hoax... we all heard live version. but to me, if they didn't record studio version, or demo of it, it would be pointless, since they recorded Liar and all songs they did. They made demo and studio versions of those early songs...
Questions are:
Do you think studio version of Hangman exist or no?
Did anyone from these Forums EVER hear snippet of full version (studio or demo) of Hangman?
Also i'd like to know if Brian or anyone from the band EVER said that studio/demo version of Hangman exist or does not exitst...
Please, explain your answers. Let's not ruin this topic..
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1. Yes, a studio version of Hangman exists. It's not an "up for debate" thing; it's a fact.
2. There is a member on this forum who has not only heard the studio version of Hangman, he owns it.
3. I don't know. I'm sure it's not a "Polar Bear" situation where Brian doesn't even remember that the song exists, as "Hangman" was a live staple early on, and in many ways was the earliest incarnation of the song structure that would become BoRhap. The guys from the band probably all remember the song well. Do they remember recording it? Well, to put it lightly, I'm sure they recorded a lot of things during those earliest sessions that they don't remember anymore.
Sebastian · Member since
Since Brian didn't remember having done [i]It's Late [/i]on stage, he may (no pun intended) have forgotten about recording [i]Hangman[/i] as well.
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Perhaps a photo of the acetate could be provided, purely as a visual confirmation of course.
Sebastian · Member since
Theoretically, an audio file (with some sort of watermark such as Greg's 'property of Queen productions') could be incontestable proof as well.
Just to be clear, I'm trying to stay neutral here: John's claimed he owns a copy and (rightfully) remarked he's got no obligation to give it to other people (including QP themselves, unless of course he wants to but it's his prerogative). As I still haven't seen it or heard it (and probably never will), I don't regard it as 'facatual' information ... yet. It seems that other people have coincidentally remained in a similar stance.
Other people consider John's word enough to regard it as a 100% fact. Good for them and I completely understand such decision as John's never proven to have lied here. And other people think John may be lying, especially those who think of GB as some sort of deity. As I've never been fond of the bloke myself (GB, that is), I can't be unbiased.
vicspec · Member since
Hi John Stuart,
Could you be so kind as to enlighten us on a few points about your Hangman acetate? I would love to hear a studio version of Hangman which given that QP haven't even got a copy must surely make it the rarest gem in the treasure box of unreleased Queen material.
1. Have you played this acetate and does it contain a studio version of Hangman?
2. If so, can you remember which of the live versions it is closest to it - musically and lyrically?
3. Is there anything else about the recording that you remember and can tease us about?
4. What condition is the acetate in? Is it made from wax like most of these things?
5. Have you had the acetate professionally or otherwise transferred to a digital medium?
This last point is important because it protects the recording against theft or accident and safe guards it for the future. It must be difficult to trust someone with the acetate long enough to transfer it given it's delicate state. Perhaps we could start up a trust of some sort where a group can provide advice and help fund the acetate's safe transfer to a digital medium in a safe and professional environment. I think there's a lot of people who have an interest in the well being of the only known studio recording of Hangman especially as it is in such a delicate state.
Anyway John it would be great to hear your reply.
Thank you.
Pim Derks · Member since
Like anyone is going to pay money for a fund to save a track which they might never hear ;)
Amazon · Member since
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Like anyone is going to pay money for a fund to save a track which they might never hear ;)
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Perhaps if it's transferred digitally, there might come a time when people are able to hear it?
Soundfreak · Member since
The source for an acetate is a tape, so I'm convinced that this acetate isn't the only existing recording of this track - if it really exists at all.
But I do not expect it to be a kind of "holy grail" recording at all, otherwise it would have been released at some point like "Mad the Swine". Or the alternate "Kind of Magic".
And although it's exciting to hear live recordings of "Hangman" it's obvious that it's not their most inspired song....
joesilvey · Member since
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[b]Soundfreak wrote: [/b]
The source for an acetate is a tape, so I'm convinced that this acetate isn't the only existing recording of this track - if it really exists at all.
But I do not expect it to be a kind of "holy grail" recording at all, otherwise it would have been released at some point like "Mad the Swine". Or the alternate "Kind of Magic".
And although it's exciting to hear live recordings of "Hangman" it's obvious that it's not their most inspired song....[/QUOTE]
agreed on all counts...
vicspec · Member since
No Queen Productions don't have the Hangman studio recording in their archives - that's why they can't release it like Mad the Swine.
Soundfreak · Member since
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No Queen Productions don't have the Hangman studio recording in their archives - that's why they can't release it like Mad the Swine.
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...and members of the band even said they never ever recorded that song.
So "this is a tricky situation"....
pittrek · Member since
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[b]vicspec wrote: [/b]
No Queen Productions don't have the Hangman studio recording in their archives - that's why they can't release it like Mad the Swine.
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...and members of the band even said they never ever recorded that song.
So "this is a tricky situation"....
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Exactly. The same "members " claimed that they never recorded a Queen version of Polar Bear.
I have a question - do you remember what have you exactly done 37 years ago ?
pittrek · Member since
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[b]theCro wrote: [/b]
Do you think studio version of Hangman exist or no?
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Yes, it does.
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Did anyone from these Forums EVER hear snippet of full version (studio or demo) of Hangman?
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Yes, he did.
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Also i'd like to know if Brian or anyone from the band EVER said that studio/demo version of Hangman exist or does not exitst...
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No, as far as I know only Greg claimed he haven't found it in the archives.
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Soundfreak · Member since
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[b]pittrek wrote: [/b]
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[b]Soundfreak wrote: [/b]
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[b]vicspec wrote: [/b]
No Queen Productions don't have the Hangman studio recording in their archives - that's why they can't release it like Mad the Swine.
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...and members of the band even said they never ever recorded that song.
So "this is a tricky situation"....
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Exactly. The same "members " claimed that they never recorded a Queen version of Polar Bear.
I have a question - do you remember what have you exactly done 37 years ago ?
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As I said...it's tricky. I would never blame them, if they have forgotten about some recording or details as there is so much they have done.
It's a fan-thing to be precise about every detail of the past, while the artists themselves are more thinking about the next project....
Anyway...the tricky situation remains.
QP says, there is no "Hangman" in their archives, Queen say they never did a studio recording (which would be underlined by the always varying live-versions)
And on the other side there is one private person claiming to own this recording - but can not or does not want to prove it.
