Hangman - everything we know about the song...

I think the existance of a Hangman studio version is still debateable.
The only account we have is John Stuart saying he has it on an acetate.

On the other hand, we have Brian and Greg Brooks saying it wasn't recorded.

In a scientific study 1 eyewitness isn't proof at all. So i'd say the same thing for a Hangman acetate. I'm not calling John a liar. But still, even if it's a reliable source, 1 witness is worth nothing at all.

I repeat - Brian and Greg claimed that Polar Bear wasn't recorded by Queen and other bull...

I strongly believe the studio version exists and John has always said the truth. Would be silly from his side lying about this issue at this stage. Sooner or later he´ll bless all of us with a little snippet ... and many mouths will shut up.

QP claims they don´t have it? ok, we know who does.

The band doesn´t remember? ok, as many other times ... and it´s been proven they were wrong.

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I have answered this many times.
I have even written an audio description based on the "version" I own.
I know that this info was previously published in Queenzone a few years back when the same issues arose back then.
This info is all public record so I can't be ars*d repeating it now.
(No direspect but if any kind soul could look this info out - it would save me the job).

What I do not understand is - that all of my recordings have ended up in the public domain.
Without me, many of the rarites so taken for granted by all - would [b]not[/b] be out there.
I have never recieved a "thank-you" or a bye your leave.

In all the articles I have ever written - which have been plagiarised both in print and all over the 'net - never once (apart from Georg) have I recieved an acknowledgement.

If I print a picture of the acetate it's forged. If I upload a sound sample - it's not FLAC.

Now, I am no saint, and I will come down from my cross in a minute, but I have done [b]so[/b] much for the Queen community - and all I have ever received in return is "take, take, take, take, take...". (have only on very rare occassins ever been on the returning end - so thanks to those who have supported me).

This is my one last "family Jewel" so sorry - after this thread - no more from me on Hangman.
After all. I have never forced anyout to out their "Victory" or "Face It Alone" so why should I be pressurised - but not them?

Finally, I believe it is all a blind.
I personally believe "Hangman" is in the vaults, and it will be "released" - if Queen PL decided to do so.
That is not my call.
I do not know of any Queen studio track which exists as a solitary copy. Even Freddie's home demos were duplicated, so I can not see how a studio production would be overlooked.

TBF, AFAIK, GB hasn't claimed they never recorded it. He's claimed it doesn't exist in the archives and he's claimed he thinks the chances of it actually existing are slim, based on the fact that the person who says he owns a copy can't/won't/shan't/wouldn't provide evidence (a fact I'm not criticising as it's John's decision). But he (GB) has acknowledged that some things they (QP) don't have, have surfaced, so it's still open.

Regarding John's claim: I'm with Niek here. I haven't got any reason not to believe him, but it wouldn't be fair to claim (in my website, for instance) there's a studio version based only in his word. So, as another poster (who probably wouldn't want to be paraphrased by me but still) said, 'absence of evidence's not evidence of absence.' By the way, I don't think it applies to every case, but it does to this one.

About what Dr May said... he also said that ________ (fill the blank with any of his famous memory slips).

John, your contributions are and have been much appreciated over the years, believe me.  Without them, I certainly would have lost interest in anything to do with Queen long ago.

Please don't take the bait here - this is simply an idiot's ruse, believing he will "force" you to upload eithera sample or the whole thing by creating a thread in a chatroom.  Hit the delete key or, simply, just don't open the thread.....

Thanks again John.

Thanks John. I didn't realise you had described the contents before butt after a search, I did indeed track down this response:

Posted:
14 Sep 07, 08:52

I know nothing about the disc other than it came as part of a set of other 10" one-sided discs.
As
to dates etc... I am completely ignorant. Forgive me, but there is
little more point guessing at the things I do not know. (I am neither
being rude or evasive here - just perfectly honest - sorry!)The
studio version does differ from the 'Young Nobles Of Rock' version in
that it has a more heavier Led Zep/Black Sabbath 'feel'. (Think De Lane Lea 'Jesus', 'Liar' or 'Silver Salmon').I also think that in the 'Young Nobles...' version
the
lyrics have been 'fleshed out' - but that may well be down to the fact
that one is a live version - while the other is not - so the live one
may be more improvised on the night.Otherwise, struture, content and ideas are pretty much the same.

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Thanks for that post. Is it the only information you posted in terms of a description of the acetate's contents or is there more do you recall?
Thanks.

so remember all those threads people saying how QP does not listen to Queen fans, how they re-re-re-re-re-re-release the same all things all over again?

Applause and thanks to John and everyone who shared all the rare things so far, but i do not understand you John why you would not like to share Hangman with us. i just don't understand that.

Thanking John now is a bit like locking the stable door after the horse has bolted.  It's absolutely useless and I don't blame him for not sharing the track.  I know I have said previously that it would be great if he;d consider, but having thought of all the stuff that has surfaced, why the hell should he?  After all, as we have all gathered, the acetate surely must have come from a tape which, as John also reckons, should be in the vaults. Just because GB and Brian haven't seen it ior can't remember it doesn't mean it's not there (the phrase used by Sebastian was apt).  It will happen one day....

GB the Archivist has already said he's pretty much finished looking through the archives and no Hangman studio version was found. Perhaps the Trident company has a bunch of acetates and reels under lock and key and guarded by bitterness but not much chance QP will have to negotiate there...? Otherwise we can just hope something turns up out of the blue or someone stumbles across them lying around in a dump yard somewhere - pretty unlikely.

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[b]theCro wrote: [/b]

so remember all those threads people saying how QP does not listen to Queen fans, how they re-re-re-re-re-re-release the same all things all over again?

Applause and thanks to John and everyone who shared all the rare things so far, but i do not understand you John why you would not like to share Hangman with us. i just don't understand that.
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grow up. John has said NO. stop questioning his reasons. He's not being unreasonable - in fact, from what has gone on before here (use the search button) I fully understand John saying NO. QPL "lost" things loaned to them. I think John even had something important get mislaid by the incompentent archivist.

as for "sharing it" - if it's his one remaining "crown jewel" - why the fuck should he share it? he has shared so  much....and spent so many years investing his time and effort searching down remote and rare gems for his own pleasure...why should he pass it over? tell you what...why don't you go search down some of the remaining South Africa gigs? or some of the missing crazy tour tapes? and see how happy you would be to share

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so remember all those threads people saying how QP does not listen to Queen fans, how they re-re-re-re-re-re-release the same all things all over again?

Applause and thanks to John and everyone who shared all the rare things so far, but i do not understand you John why you would not like to share Hangman with us. i just don't understand that.

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grow up. John has said NO. stop questioning his reasons. He's not being unreasonable - in fact, from what has gone on before here (use the search button) I fully understand John saying NO. QPL "lost" things loaned to them. I think John even had something important get mislaid by the incompentent archivist.

as for "sharing it" - if it's his one remaining "crown jewel" - why the fuck should he share it? he has shared so  much....and spent so many years investing his time and effort searching down remote and rare gems for his own pleasure...why should he pass it over? tell you what...why don't you go search down some of the remaining South Africa gigs? or some of the missing crazy tour tapes? and see how happy you would be to share







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I'm grown up, you don't have to tell me to grow up, the one who needs to grow up and stop being childish is you.

just wanted to say that we want this track to be released for good of community... if we'll keep all to ourselfs, closed into our vaults it's not community anymore, community is about SHARING.

ps thanks to John for ALL his great shared stuff so far. really thanks... come one, give us a quick preview of song at least!?

I have to say thanks to JSS for mentioning his great discourses of the past... I've been glued to the monitor all evening reading his past posts on the mythical "box set" ... from nearly SIX YEARS AGO.

I respect your right to not share Hangman (which is not to say I'm not dying to hear it - i am) and i certainly appreciate all the contributions you've made to this community in the form of audio, articles / written information, and anything else I may not be aware originated from you.  thanks for letting us newer guys know who to thank.  and, again, thanks.

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[b]vicspec wrote: [/b]

Thanks John. I didn't realise you had described the contents before butt after a search, I did indeed track down this response:

Posted:
14 Sep 07, 08:52

I know nothing about the disc other than it came as part of a set of other 10" one-sided discs.
As
to dates etc... I am completely ignorant. Forgive me, but there is
little more point guessing at the things I do not know. (I am neither
being rude or evasive here - just perfectly honest - sorry!)The
studio version does differ from the 'Young Nobles Of Rock' version in
that it has a more heavier Led Zep/Black Sabbath 'feel'. (Think De Lane Lea 'Jesus', 'Liar' or 'Silver Salmon').I also think that in the 'Young Nobles...' version
the
lyrics have been 'fleshed out' - but that may well be down to the fact
that one is a live version - while the other is not - so the live one
may be more improvised on the night.Otherwise, struture, content and ideas are pretty much the same.

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Thanks for that post. Is it the only information you posted in terms of a description of the acetate's contents or is there more do you recall?
Thanks.
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As I said in another post, it's not very wise to talk about owning some "holy grail" and then refusing to give any proof of it's existance. If this description above is the only given information I tend to believe that there is something wrong in this whole story. As the infomation is more than vague. 

No information about the length of the song, the quality of sound or the stage of production. Is it more like a "demo" or a basic  "live in the studio" take? 
Are there vocal or guitar overdubs ?

So if there is no more info I lose interest in this topic. Why worry about a recording that doesn't exist or is locked away in someone's safe? 
I remember one quote from a Freddie interview where he said something like "a song that you do not publish is like a song that is not written at all". So why bother.....