Hangman - everything we know about the song...

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[b]theCro wrote: [/b]



but i do not understand you John why you would not like to share Hangman with us. i just don't understand that.

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Because he needs something to hold onto for himself. If he just goes out and puts it out available to anyone, what the Hell thanks will he get? As he said, he's done a lot for the Queen fan community and he doesn't get recognization for it. A simple thanks is boring. Why should he be sharing stuff, if there's other people who can't even share their rare things like full versions of 'Face It Alone'? Why should he share more rare stuff, when on discussion, he asks them not to share it, yet people do it anyways?

Once I had the nerve to tell some dope I had the full version of Face It Alone, and he flipped. He was like "Please give it to me, I need it so bad!". I refused to give it to him and he never talked to me again, accept when he tried to share things that others have shared with him (which they told him to DO NOT SHARE with anyone). I never shared any songs with him, as he was just an idiot and full of greed. He sounded like a guy who just got out of prison after 40 years and needed to get laid yet couldn't. Some Queen fans are pathetic. Pure greed, really.

Plus, if a Queen fan has EVERYTHING, what the Hell will they look foreward to in the future? Nothing. Sometimes, dreams are an excitement.

It's like having a crush on a woman... you feel so deeply for her, and you're so in love, but by the time you're in the relationship with that woman, it gets boring after a while.

Just accept the fact that John won't give the greedy bastards (like you and most people) his studio version of Hangman, and accept it.

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[b]Mr. Britt wrote: [/b]

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[b]theCro wrote: [/b]



 



but i do not understand you John why you would not like to share Hangman with us. i just don't understand that.



 

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Just accept the fact that John won't give the greedy bastards (like you and most people) his studio version of Hangman, and accept it.[/QUOTE]
Surely there are "greedy bastards" who want to get everything and don't bother to offer something in return. But usually those are quite easy to recognize.

In this particular case all that is asked is a definite proof for the existance of that recording. It's fine, when the "owner" wants to keep it for himself. My fascination for hearing outtakes is long gone after having wasted too much money in them. Cause in the end I only really listen to the regular stuff.

But once telling the world about having a particular recording like that it's not fair to put the blame on those even asking for more information. That has nothing to do with being greedy.

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Once I had the nerve to tell some dope I had the full version of Face It Alone, and he flipped. [/QUOTE]
Bad mistake...
Now, that you have leaked this information - you too will recieve all the "I want It now" or  "post us a snippet" messages.

Sometimes we say things for good, then it backfires because some-one else runs with it in a completely different direction.

[b]Final word period[/b]: Hangman exists in the Queen vaults. Don't be so easily conned.
To quote Paul Simon "...a man hear's what he want's to hear and disregards the rest..."

It would be nice if Greg Brooks would reappear here, just to post how greedy you are not sharing Hangman acetate with him.

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Once I had the nerve to tell some dope I had the full version of Face It Alone, and he flipped. [/QUOTE]
Bad mistake...
Now, that you have leaked this information - you too will recieve all the "I want It now" or  "post us a snippet" messages.

Sometimes we say things for good, then it backfires because some-one else runs with it in a completely different direction.

[b]Final word period[/b]: Hangman exists in the Queen vaults. Don't be so easily conned.
To quote Paul Simon "...a man hear's what he want's to hear and disregards the rest..."

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So you sold them a copy ? Great, I really hope THE boxset will be released once

These Hangman threads really are getting dull. What people don't seem to realise is that it doesn't matter if an acetate exists.

If John doesn't have it we don't get to hear the song; if he does have it we still don't get to hear the song. The end result is the same for both possibilities, so the existance of the acetate really is irrelevant.

I think we should all take John's advice and focus of QP; they have the really good stuff after all.

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[b]Mr. Britt wrote: [/b]

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[b]theCro wrote: [/b]







but i do not understand you John why you would not like to share Hangman with us. i just don't understand that.





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Just accept the fact that John won't give the greedy bastards (like you and most people) his studio version of Hangman, and accept it.[/QUOTE] you're calling me a greedy bastard? you're so lowlife...

I bet you its shit anyway.

For those of you still bad-mouthing John, I point you to this thread [url=http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1224876/question-about-de-lane-lea-bbc-session-2-bootlegs.aspx]here[/url].
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[/QUOTE]This is a fine example of his generosity, and another point in the long list of things he has shared with us Queen fans. These items have probably cost him many hundreds or thousands of pounds, and he is willing to share them with us for nothing in return.[/QUOTE]
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[/QUOTE]Just think about that before you go calling him a "hoarder" or "greedy b*stard" again.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE][b]Mr. Britt wrote:
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Once I had the nerve to tell some dope I had the full version of Face It Alone, and he flipped. [/QUOTE]
Bad mistake...
Now, that you have leaked this information - you too will recieve all the "I want It now" or  "post us a snippet" messages.

Sometimes we say things for good, then it backfires because some-one else runs with it in a completely different direction.

[b]Final word period[/b]: Hangman exists in the Queen vaults. Don't be so easily conned.
To quote Paul Simon "...a man hear's what he want's to hear and disregards the rest..."






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Nah, off of this forum, I don't associate with serious Queen collectors anymore, unless they aren't greedy. I used to, and trade things and all, but now I always ignore greedy people like that nowadays. I got rid of MSN just because of the fact there were so many Queen fans bugging me for things, since everytime I did hand something out, the idiots would always open their mouths and say "I got it from Jake, his s/n is blah blah blah". I didn't feel like spending my evenings distributing Queen files. Now, I've got like three Queenzone members on my Facebook friend's list, and they aren't the type of Queen fans that collect EVERYTHING and they do not ask me for anything having to do with Queen, we socialize about others things more often. The attitude that some people have in the Queen community, it's just too bad... and pathetic. I'd rather listen to them beg and moan and say "oh you don't have that, prove it by giving it to me" than giving it to them, with their greed. I hate spoiling things, and like most fans should know, as do you, Queen know about what they have and what they don't. They try to deny a lot of stuff, to try to make some sort of "surprising" for the day that they do eventually release something like a boxset, which I think Queen will do... but more likely when it's totally finally that they won't function as a band anymore.

I'm a socialist, and if people can only talk Queen with me, well, they are basically out of luck to talk to me.. It's always "take, take, take" .... there's no giving. They only want more and more.

I know a few other members on this forum who also have a lot of rare stuff, including things like Face It Alone and concerts which were recorded which haven't been released or even leaked to many people, and quite a few of unreleased Queen songs which haven't been leaked, but I'm not the type to give names out. I also know of people who actually send out mp3's of things, in return of money. There's nutcases everywhere it seems. Some people are just too pathetic. I can't call someone a friend if all they want from me is more Queen, more Queen, and more Queen. Those days are over. MY vaults stay locked.

Everywhere there are people biting the hand that feeds them. On a way smaller scale, I've also been 'demanded' to give things to people who simply can't have enough.

(shrug)  I think of it this way.  If the Earls Court video got burned horribly in the Queen vaults, I wouldn't lose sleep over it because there's versions of it out there that most of us have.  As far as posterity goes, it's pretty safe.
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[/QUOTE]Things like Hangman, however - those worry me.  Say only John and QP have a copy of that recording - two mishaps, and it's gone forever.  It's mindless optimism, but I hope one side eventually grabs a brain and leaks/releases the thing.[/QUOTE]

By that perspective, they should also leak all multi-tracks, lest they ever lose some more (one of my favourite songs, [i]All Dead[/i], is reportedly missing from the archives). And while they're at it, they should also let everybody had access to their manuscripts, the songs' original tracksheets, Brian's deciduous teeth and Roger's pubic hair (after all, those who wanted to have Freddie's missed their chance, except maybe some former lovers).

I mean, in a perfect world all of that would happen (except for the teeh/hair thing), but there are many things involved. If QP want to save [i]Hangman[/i] and other things for a potential upcoming release (once their collaborations with alleged Fred's favourites or American Idol losers stop selling), I suppose they're willing to take the risk. Having those things leaked would compromise the success of a commercially profitable product.

As for John, IIRC, he once referred to [i]Hangman[/i] as his retirement or something like that. That's also understandable, and indeed, looking at the picture, it benefits way more to keep it to himself than to share it just to prove he's got it. After all, if he (or anybody else) had uploaded it to Torrent, YT, Napster or whatever (yes, which year am I in?) ten years ago, would it be so often commented about? Would it have its own thread with several replies? Would most people even care about it?

Myself, while I don't regard [i]Hangman[/i] as a masterpiece or something that's gonna change my life for ever, I still think highly of the song and am interested in knowing how it'd sound like once given the studio treatment. If I ever get to hear it, it'll be gr8. And hopefully, we will, eventually. If three years ago somebody'd time-travelled and told us we'd be able to play Roy Baker with the [i]Bo Rhap[/i] multi's, I think 99.99% would've said 'the bloody f*ck are you talking about?'. So there you have it.

Never mind some crackling old acetate from 38 years ago, when are we going to hear the definitive Paul Rodgers version of this song.

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I mean, in a perfect world all of that would happen 
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Indeed - I wasn't talking with practicality in mind.  The plain truth is that things which leak out to the masses are 'safer' from obliteration in a relative sense.  
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