Hmm, that's debatable, since Brian May was one of the two songwriters. Good point for discussion, though.. ==========
Elton John first recorded Skyline Pigeon in 1969. He then re-recorded it in 1972 with his band. I think the Doing All Right thing is simply a re-recording (not a cover version), because one of the writers was still there. A cover version would be van Halen's "You really got me." (Different artists/writers). ----
"Skyline Pigeon" was re-recorded. (The piano version is so much better than the harpsichord version).
"Doin' Alright" wasn't re-recorded by Queen; Queen didn't record it the first time, Smile did.
jpf · Member since
PrimeJiveUSA wrote: jpf...so if anyone of us refuse to accept your premise that LZ 1 "blows away" Queen 1 we are close minded and need to "grow the F*** up"?
Hmmm...LZ1 is Zeppelin's worst album in my opinion. You can shape what you like by how much "influence" and "respect" it has. Me? I couldn't give a crap. I like what I like...Queen 1 rules!
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LZ1 blows away Queen 1.
My opinion. If you don't share my opinion, I couldn't care less.
BTW, where did I use the term "grow the fuck up" in any of my posts?
I'll save you the time; I didn't.
Try understanding what you read next time.
jpf · Member since
PrimeJiveUSA wrote: Now...this IS aimed at jpf.
You say how LZ 1 "blows away" Queen 1 and list songs like "Communication Breakdown" (yawn) and "Good Times Bad Times" (double yawn) we're all supposed to quiver at those tired, bland songs.
It's basically a blues album played extra loud. To me, the "blues" are just plain boring...and this album is totally frozen in the '60's. Zeppelin would go on to make some of the greatest music ever...but this disc ain't IT.
Queen 1 is full of color and wonder...Led Zep 1...drab, muddy and old. And talk abnout lacking cohesion!!!...LZ 1 is a mess!
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You're dislike of a certain genre of music doesn't negate that genre of music.
LZ1 was an influential lp.
Queen 1 wasn't influential. It was one of Queen's lowest selling lps. It was an lp that Queen abandoned live when they wrote much better material later on.
PrimeJiveUSA · Member since
Jpf...why don't you try "understanding what you read" next time.
I mistakenly put jpf to the "grow the F*** up" quote and corrected it in my next post.
Yeah, you're right the whole LZ 1"blows away" Queen 1 is "your opinion"...happily I don't share it.
PrimeJiveUSA · Member since
Jpf...LOL...once again with the "influential" and "biggest seller" thing.
If you don't care what people think, why is something "better" to you because it's supposed to be more influential?
brENsKi · Member since
Jimmy Dean wrote:
Myself, I prefer Queen 1 over LZ 1 - I agree that LZ is a generally boring album - the only song I like hearing over and over again is How Many More Times... simple and aggressive. Queen I is very colorful. But still, hands down, in terms of which album is better - in terms of its music, cultural significance, contribution to music, technique and landmark songs... LZ wins....wins....wins!
My top 5 favorite albums of all time are: 1) News of the World, 2) Insomniac by Green Day, 3) The Holy Bible by the Manic Street Preachers, 4) Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirty Cowboy by Elton John and 5) In Utero by Nirvana
Anyone saying Queen I is better than LZ is saying so PURELY because they are Queen fans. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ you nailed it with that last comment. why does anyone starting a thread on QueenSychophants.com expect anything other than narrow-minded, ultradefensive "queen are best" crap responses?
whole thing is simple: taste is subjective (and not always objective)....some of my favourtie albums probably wouldnt make the top of any radio station list rainbow -rising, elo out of the blue, badfinger straight up, beatles abbey road, queen II, sabbath heaven & hell, blondie parallel lines, love forever changes, julian cope world shut your mouth,
perhaps this whole discussion is one that needs the benefit of time? in the early 70s i hated ledzep 1....couldnt understand why it was so great...as i get older i understand better..it's influence, it's groundbreaking, it's power... i prefer queen I...by miles...but ledzep I is a much better album - in every context that matters...and i don't even like led zep queen I brought nothing new...to an already oversaturated generation...glam, prog and heavy rock were already in full flow BEFORE queen I...all they did was melt them all together..... led zep - like floyd and the beatles...did something new with music
now if this discussion was about queen II vs ledzep II...then the thread starter would have a point...cos Queen II is FAR FAR more innovative than led zep II
one other point....have a look round the other bands' forums...beatles, who, ledzep, floyd, purple etc....there arguments are objective, and balanced...none of this purile gainst-saying....perhaps this is because those bands have been taken more seriously than queen ever will?
Sebastian · Member since
There are loads of albums by loads of artists which are way more influential than Queen I. Led Zeppelin I is one of them.
There are loads of albums by loads of artists which are way more innovative than Queen I. Led Zeppelin I is not one of them.
mike hunt · Member since
brENsKi wrote: Jimmy Dean wrote:
Myself, I prefer Queen 1 over LZ 1 - I agree that LZ is a generally boring album - the only song I like hearing over and over again is How Many More Times... simple and aggressive. Queen I is very colorful. But still, hands down, in terms of which album is better - in terms of its music, cultural significance, contribution to music, technique and landmark songs... LZ wins....wins....wins!
My top 5 favorite albums of all time are: 1) News of the World, 2) Insomniac by Green Day, 3) The Holy Bible by the Manic Street Preachers, 4) Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirty Cowboy by Elton John and 5) In Utero by Nirvana
Anyone saying Queen I is better than LZ is saying so PURELY because they are Queen fans. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ you nailed it with that last comment. why does anyone starting a thread on QueenSychophants.com expect anything other than narrow-minded, ultradefensive "queen are best" crap responses?
whole thing is simple: taste is subjective (and not always objective)....some of my favourtie albums probably wouldnt make the top of any radio station list rainbow -rising, elo out of the blue, badfinger straight up, beatles abbey road, queen II, sabbath heaven & hell, blondie parallel lines, love forever changes, julian cope world shut your mouth,
perhaps this whole discussion is one that needs the benefit of time? in the early 70s i hated ledzep 1....couldnt understand why it was so great...as i get older i understand better..it's influence, it's groundbreaking, it's power... i prefer queen I...by miles...but ledzep I is a much better album - in every context that matters...and i don't even like led zep queen I brought nothing new...to an already oversaturated generation...glam, prog and heavy rock were already in full flow BEFORE queen I...all they did was melt them all together..... led zep - like floyd and the beatles...did something new with music
now if this discussion was about queen II vs ledzep II...then the thread starter would have a point...cos Queen II is FAR FAR more innovative than led zep II
one other point....have a look round the other bands' forums...beatles, who, ledzep, floyd, purple etc....there arguments are objective, and balanced...none of this purile gainst-saying....perhaps this is because those bands have been taken more seriously than queen ever will?
You make some good points....i'm not a led Zep guy either and prefer queen 1 anyday (great album) but can't deny Zep 1 was and is the stronger debute, and agree Queen 1 wasn't the most original of albums..... i can't say i agree with you on the whole balance and Objective that these other forums have. If anything queenzone has way more negativity than any other forum i visited. Queen fans arn't the only band that has stepfords. Rush, Iron Maiden, Zep all are far worse than Queen fans. Have you looked at the forum lately?....Even this thread?....lots of Negativity towards Queen, I don't see that nearly as much on other forums.... another silly comment is these other bands are taken more seriously than Queen. By who?....The music critics?....who cares what they think!!..... Yea, If we're talking to a metal head he might say Deep Purple is better, but generally Queen are considered the better band. The Influence they had on music, as a whole you can't deny. They also have respect from their peers. What else could you ask for?....Queen are a top ten band no question about it.
PrimeJiveUSA · Member since
Mike Hunt abd Sebastian...thank you for contributing without obnoxious arrogance and insults.
As far as being a "sycophant", Brenski, I assure you I am not. Simply thinking Queen 1 is a better album does not make me so. There are quite a few people that think Queen 1 is one of or THE best rock albums of all time...and they don't like much else from Queen.
It's not just "stepfords" that see something great in this album. Rob Halford and David Lee Roth call it their favorite albums ever. Are they "stepfords"? Is it a minority that thinks Queen 1 is the better album...surely it is...but that doesn't make us wrong and you right...or vice versa.
Calling people names and laughingly dismissing them never tells us WHY LZ1 is "better" in your eyes, just that you feel snidely comfortable reveling in it's influence and bigger sales. Just keep letting LZ 1 "blow" on you and enjoy yourself.
PrimeJiveUSA · Member since
Brenski...obviously you didn't read my earlier post where I said "In Many ways Zeppelin was the greatest band ever". So you can stop with blanket statements about people thinking Queen 1 is the better album as "ultra-defensive, Queen are best types".
I have clearly stated that from their fourth abum on...Zeppelin were absolutely greater than great.
Queen 1 is like a magical ball of wonder. LZ1 is like a soggy, wet blanket.
PrimeJiveUSA · Member since
Sorry Brenksi...the "blow" comment was aimed at JPF...evidently he likes the way LZ 1 does that.
brENsKi · Member since
PrimeJiveUSA wrote: Sorry Brenksi...the "blow" comment was aimed at JPF...evidently he likes the way LZ 1 does that. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
PrimeJive, i never insinuated you were a stepford...there is nothing in anything i said that indicates that...i am referring to the plethora of replies in this and many similar threads that state "queen are best because they are" without saying anything at all
as for my comments....ledzep1 did something new with music, queen1 didn't.....listen all around you in 1973.....trex, sweet, bowie, roxy, ledzep, yes, genesis....queen just fused the lot
PrimeJiveUSA · Member since
brenski...fair enough, Queen did kinda "fuse the lot", I agree.
Thanks for clarifying!
That's why I brought up( a day or two ago) that Queen 1 was released after Zeppelin alrerady had 5 albums under their belt. Queen were just building on, and refining, on the ground that Zeppelin had already broke 5 years earlier.
So, of course, it wasn't going to have the impact that Zeppelin's debut had. I'm just saying that, to *me*, that doesn'r automatically make it a better album than Queen 1. In fact, I think Queen 1 is superior.
Sorry, I just bristle at accusations of being a "stepford" because I happen to think a Queen album could possibly be better than a Zeppelin album. Happy to hear you weren't lumping me into that category.
mike hunt · Member since
PrimeJiveUSA wrote: Mike Hunt abd Sebastian...thank you for contributing without obnoxious arrogance and insults.
As far as being a "sycophant", Brenski, I assure you I am not. Simply thinking Queen 1 is a better album does not make me so. There are quite a few people that think Queen 1 is one of or THE best rock albums of all time...and they don't like much else from Queen.
It's not just "stepfords" that see something great in this album. Rob Halford and David Lee Roth call it their favorite albums ever. Are they "stepfords"? Is it a minority that thinks Queen 1 is the better album...surely it is...but that doesn't make us wrong and you right...or vice versa.
Calling people names and laughingly dismissing them never tells us WHY LZ1 is "better" in your eyes, just that you feel snidely comfortable reveling in it's influence and bigger sales. Just keep letting LZ 1 "blow" on you and enjoy yourself.
I'm trying too change my ways, lol. If Queen 1 had no influence why did Brian May say that he was surprised by how many people "including muscians he knows and fans" still think the first album was their best?.... Brian said he hears it all the time. Brian himself said the first Album was very good, but they didn't find the queen sound until a few albums later, that's why it surprises him, not because the album wasn't good, but because they didn't find their sound yet...... So you're not alone in thinking queen 1 was magical. Despite the album not being as original as Queen2 to ADATR I think it's a great album, and rounds out my top 5 from them. Funny, Brenski say's Freddie stole a whole verse in my fairy king, which is a brilliant song, but doesn't mention all the songs Zep borrowed or Stole?....on their Debute or even later albums they stole shit. Why doesn't that count Mr. Brenski?....nothing wrong with sticking up for your favorite band, and it doesn't make you a stepford.
maxpower · Member since
Personally I would take Zep 1 over Queen. It's all down to personal opinions but the opener "Good Times Bad Times" is still one of my favourite Zep tracks
