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If this is Roger's guide vocal, then I'll be happy as a pig in shit.
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Pim Derks
Sir GH wrote: If this is Roger's guide vocal, then I'll be happy as a pig in shit.
Yeah me too. Let's hope it's not the same version we've had for years (with the Elvis-like bridge before the 'never had a real good friend' verse). Ah well, if it's a full version of that early take it'd still be cool. I hope it's Roger though :D
Yeah me too. Let's hope it's not the same version we've had for years (with the Elvis-like bridge before the 'never had a real good friend' verse). Ah well, if it's a full version of that early take it'd still be cool. I hope it's Roger though :D
malicedoom
What I'd really like is that demo of The Invisible Man that has the brief segment that sounds like Vegas/Elvis - right before Freddie sings the line "Never had a real good friend - not a boy or a girl".
Anyone else heard that? It's pretty cool. I wish they had left it in.
Anyone else heard that? It's pretty cool. I wish they had left it in.
Rick
Sir GH wrote: If this is Roger's guide vocal, then I'll be happy as a pig in shit.
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I laughed. Loud. Thanks for that! :D
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I laughed. Loud. Thanks for that! :D
dysan
"As I have said before, this is not an Anthology release or a bonus disc
of rare demos and un-released tracks, but an extra disc to include
anything that is relevant from the time, ie, the 'B' sides and the live
tracks."
Oh my fucking god.
The 'guys' who compiled these - the work experience boys in the Island office I suppose?
Seriously GT. Don't lick arse - make a stand and tell your paymaster how it should be done. We are all very unhappy with the incomplete nature of this batch and on the whole, Queen are left with a poor legacy. If you are any sort of fan, you will know what we're talking about.
of rare demos and un-released tracks, but an extra disc to include
anything that is relevant from the time, ie, the 'B' sides and the live
tracks."
Oh my fucking god.
The 'guys' who compiled these - the work experience boys in the Island office I suppose?
Seriously GT. Don't lick arse - make a stand and tell your paymaster how it should be done. We are all very unhappy with the incomplete nature of this batch and on the whole, Queen are left with a poor legacy. If you are any sort of fan, you will know what we're talking about.
tero! 48531
dysan wrote: "As I have said before, this is not an Anthology release or a bonus disc
of rare demos and un-released tracks, but an extra disc to include
anything that is relevant from the time, ie, the 'B' sides and the live
tracks."
Oh my fucking god.
The 'guys' who compiled these - the work experience boys in the Island office I suppose?
Seriously GT. Don't lick arse - make a stand and tell your paymaster how it should be done. We are all very unhappy with the incomplete nature of this batch and on the whole, Queen are left with a poor legacy. If you are any sort of fan, you will know what we're talking about.
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The legacy of Queen is that they sell a truckloads of albums, and they don't need an anthology release of any sort... I expect Brian May to be buried with all the Queen recordings just to prevent them from ever being released. :P
The time to make a stand for the average fan was ten years ago, not in 2011 when the inner circle is comfortable in the little niches they have carved out for themselves over the years by being yes-men.
of rare demos and un-released tracks, but an extra disc to include
anything that is relevant from the time, ie, the 'B' sides and the live
tracks."
Oh my fucking god.
The 'guys' who compiled these - the work experience boys in the Island office I suppose?
Seriously GT. Don't lick arse - make a stand and tell your paymaster how it should be done. We are all very unhappy with the incomplete nature of this batch and on the whole, Queen are left with a poor legacy. If you are any sort of fan, you will know what we're talking about.
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The legacy of Queen is that they sell a truckloads of albums, and they don't need an anthology release of any sort... I expect Brian May to be buried with all the Queen recordings just to prevent them from ever being released. :P
The time to make a stand for the average fan was ten years ago, not in 2011 when the inner circle is comfortable in the little niches they have carved out for themselves over the years by being yes-men.
cmsdrums
GT - you say that the track was left off the press release nut was expected to be added after clearance; just why the hell not just wait for the clearance first and do one press release?!? This way it just looks like an about turn after the uproar (even if you say it isn't). On a related note, can you say with things like this type of demo, who owns the original copyright? Is it EMI cos it was recorded 'on their watch', or do the band own it, or Roger individually, because it was never released on any EMI release and so was recorded by themselves in their home studio? Just curious - cheers
dysan
It isn't about inner circle, average fans or that - it's about serving the albums well. I don't really care about unreleased stuff UNTIL the albums have been lovingly compiled with all previously released tracks into complete volumes. I just cannot fathom how this has been cocked up.
AndyMan100
I would DIE for them to release a mastered version of the demo "I Guess We're Falling Out"!
My personal favorite album IS the miracle (for my own reasons), but I really do feel they made a HUGE mistake leaving that track off.. That's the song I feel was the missing link for that album!!!
Not to mention I would love to hear the FULL 12 minute version of Stealin, but with how stingy they've been with these remastered so called 'bonus tracks', I'm not getting my hopes up. :o(
My personal favorite album IS the miracle (for my own reasons), but I really do feel they made a HUGE mistake leaving that track off.. That's the song I feel was the missing link for that album!!!
Not to mention I would love to hear the FULL 12 minute version of Stealin, but with how stingy they've been with these remastered so called 'bonus tracks', I'm not getting my hopes up. :o(
tero! 48531
dysan wrote: It isn't about inner circle, average fans or that - it's about serving the albums well. I don't really care about unreleased stuff UNTIL the albums have been lovingly compiled with all previously released tracks into complete volumes. I just cannot fathom how this has been cocked up.
The best thing for fans would be for the album sales to drop to the same level as they are with other artists. Because decent sales must mean that the albums are served well, and there's no need to change anything.
The best thing for fans would be for the album sales to drop to the same level as they are with other artists. Because decent sales must mean that the albums are served well, and there's no need to change anything.
Ren Sen
I am NOT spending any of money on these remasters! I own most bonus tracks already
If they wanted us to have new bonus material .... then why bother with a bonus-ep ?
if it stays on catalogue for only a year.... whats the point of these releases (for fans?)
I dont get it at all. The Miracle ep will now have 7 tracks, and most likely we have heard em all
before as 20 years ago it actually was a BONUS. so who are these 2 disc versions directed at ?
yes it couldve been so much more fun ...
QPL : less is more (for us)
If they wanted us to have new bonus material .... then why bother with a bonus-ep ?
if it stays on catalogue for only a year.... whats the point of these releases (for fans?)
I dont get it at all. The Miracle ep will now have 7 tracks, and most likely we have heard em all
before as 20 years ago it actually was a BONUS. so who are these 2 disc versions directed at ?
yes it couldve been so much more fun ...
QPL : less is more (for us)
rhyeking
Who are these 2 disc sets directed at, one asks?
The 2011 remasters are meant to update all existing editions previously issued by other distributors. That's what seems to either be misunderstood or conveniently ignored by the fans who only want unreleased material. Universal and Island are setting these 2011 remasters as the standard editions to be on the shelf worldwide, whether you're in the UK or Canada or Brazil or wherever. QPL are establishing that all previous remasters and editions are now obsolete in terms of what will be sold in stores and online.
What this means is that as new fans buy the albums, it'll be the same everywhere. There are still old editions on the shelves, but that is an issue at store level (they own the stock and will still sell it unless QPL issues a recall and pays them for the unsold copies). Once the old editions are sold out, the 2011 series will continue to be available until such time as catalogue is updated again, which is when the new edition replaces the old edition.
The Bonus EP is an incentive to get a little extra if you're interested enough in buying the CD. Queen, QPL, and Universal know full well that not every fan will rush out to get these in order to get a few bonus tracks. However, some will and they'll be new fans and old fans alike. For me, they were pretty much the deciding factor in updating to the 2011s from HR 1991s (I'm going to hold onto my previous ones as well, though).
And that brings us (again...[sigh]) to heart of the matter, which is that when some seasoned fans feel slighted, they see everything that does not serve their needs as useless or stupid. You want a boxed set of outtakes and demos, but it's silly to accuse a release for not being something it was never intended to be.
Is the boxed set coming? I have no idea. I hope so.
Should it have been issued already? It certainly would have been nice, but there's no timeline for these things. All I know is it was talked about around the time of the FM boxed set, but a lot has happened since then.
Should Queen listen to the fans? Honestly, no. It's nice when they do special things for us, but ultimately (and correctly) they must retain artistic control over their output. Fan-dictated creative choices represent the ultimate loss of integrity. That said, Queen are likely well aware that we want to hear what's in the vault and may or may not ever oblige us. It's up to them. And they are not beholden to us. Our right lies in accepting or rejecting what they offer.
If Queen's unreleased material is all that now interests a fan, to the exclusion of the new material they have put out or may record and release in the future, I think that fan ought to consider whether Queen's continued artistic relevance in his or her life isn't being over-ridden by the fan's sense of possessiveness and/or entitlement (or, at worst, by their own selfishness).
The 2011 remasters are meant to update all existing editions previously issued by other distributors. That's what seems to either be misunderstood or conveniently ignored by the fans who only want unreleased material. Universal and Island are setting these 2011 remasters as the standard editions to be on the shelf worldwide, whether you're in the UK or Canada or Brazil or wherever. QPL are establishing that all previous remasters and editions are now obsolete in terms of what will be sold in stores and online.
What this means is that as new fans buy the albums, it'll be the same everywhere. There are still old editions on the shelves, but that is an issue at store level (they own the stock and will still sell it unless QPL issues a recall and pays them for the unsold copies). Once the old editions are sold out, the 2011 series will continue to be available until such time as catalogue is updated again, which is when the new edition replaces the old edition.
The Bonus EP is an incentive to get a little extra if you're interested enough in buying the CD. Queen, QPL, and Universal know full well that not every fan will rush out to get these in order to get a few bonus tracks. However, some will and they'll be new fans and old fans alike. For me, they were pretty much the deciding factor in updating to the 2011s from HR 1991s (I'm going to hold onto my previous ones as well, though).
And that brings us (again...[sigh]) to heart of the matter, which is that when some seasoned fans feel slighted, they see everything that does not serve their needs as useless or stupid. You want a boxed set of outtakes and demos, but it's silly to accuse a release for not being something it was never intended to be.
Is the boxed set coming? I have no idea. I hope so.
Should it have been issued already? It certainly would have been nice, but there's no timeline for these things. All I know is it was talked about around the time of the FM boxed set, but a lot has happened since then.
Should Queen listen to the fans? Honestly, no. It's nice when they do special things for us, but ultimately (and correctly) they must retain artistic control over their output. Fan-dictated creative choices represent the ultimate loss of integrity. That said, Queen are likely well aware that we want to hear what's in the vault and may or may not ever oblige us. It's up to them. And they are not beholden to us. Our right lies in accepting or rejecting what they offer.
If Queen's unreleased material is all that now interests a fan, to the exclusion of the new material they have put out or may record and release in the future, I think that fan ought to consider whether Queen's continued artistic relevance in his or her life isn't being over-ridden by the fan's sense of possessiveness and/or entitlement (or, at worst, by their own selfishness).
joesilvey
well said, Rhye... and I certainly hope with you for the eventual Anthology in some form. Seriously, if they have tape of at least 10 takes of an unreleased track like Feelings, Feelings... you think there aren't hours and hours of studio material we've not even imagined? perhaps even that the band have forgotten?? I think some amazing stuff is yet to come...
flashgordon2011
GT wrote: The extra track has been added because it was left off the original press release and was just waiting for clearance, that's all. The band and the guys who compile this stuff are happy with what is on this new set of bonus EP's, not everyone will be, but all the inclusions are right for each CD. As I have said before, this is not an Anthology release or a bonus disc of rare demos and un-released tracks, but an extra disc to include anything that is relevant from the time, ie, the 'B' sides and the live tracks.
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Look who showed up. Has he come to answer the criticism?
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Look who showed up. Has he come to answer the criticism?
flashgordon2011
GT wrote: The extra track has been added because it was left off the original press release and was just waiting for clearance, that's all. The band and the guys who compile this stuff are happy with what is on this new set of bonus EP's, not everyone will be, but all the inclusions are right for each CD. As I have said before, this is not an Anthology release or a bonus disc of rare demos and un-released tracks, but an extra disc to include anything that is relevant from the time, ie, the 'B' sides and the live tracks.
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change the tracklist and the for other four EP
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change the tracklist and the for other four EP