The Miracle Bonus EP revision!

Leave RMF along! Although MBDM is one of the worst songs in the catalogue. I love The Miracle (mainly as a nostalgic thing) but I just cannot listen to Party anymore, eventhough Brian is stunning on it.

Hey GT, can you ask Brian if he thinks Ludwig's ANATO remaster is better than Hoffman's DCC?

It isn't. Not even close.
I doubt Brian has even heard it.
Brian and Justin had no idea those piece of shit vinyl reissues from EMi were cut from a 1998 digital source.
DIDN'T EVEN KNOW, YET THEY APPROVED THE RELEASE.

For me, the disappointment of these remasters is they haven't consistently achieved definitive superior sonics. 

So bonus material aside, and your so called "target market" aside, not enough care has been taken to make these remasters the very best they could be, sonically.

To do this, QP would have (probably) needed Hoffman to get the best results.
Grab Brian a copy of Hoffman's 45rpm remaster of Rumours. 
THAT IS HOW REMASTERS SHOULD BE DONE!
ABSOLUTELY OUT OF THIS FUCKING WORLD SENSATIONAL.

I have four copies because I can't ever bear the thought of not having a pristine version at the ready.

dysan wrote: At least the singles boxed sets were complete and looked nice.

I think I might buy up the ons I don't have just to be perverse.

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in all honesty, they were not complete as some tracks were missing (Mad The Swine fe)
QPL made up rules for how the singles would be released - and yet theyve contradicted themselves
in order to include or exclude certain singles or songs . Also strange choices for some of the b-sides,
only one ep included,aaaaand two Bo Rap singles ! (why even make rules then?) if it made you
happy then thats great :) the artwork does indeed look nice. with QPL its seems either this or that  :S 

 I am still convinced this could and should have been much better and more complete boxset.
And they might as well had released a vinyl singles box-set .... kept it as original as possible.
Maybe Universal is planning on re-releasing it in a couple of years from now. Im not too sure if this 
would make us all too happy. How about vinyl releases on Universal, what do we know ?

Something else wich bothers me is that the new remasters packaging looks like crap tbh.
Its ruining the artwork and why would you go for jewel cases anyway?? just take a look at The Beatles
Remastered Mono Box-set,it looks just  wonderful and had Queen done it this way they  couldve
make us a little bit happier with the remasters as they are. they did get get the artwork right with the singles.
but not with the albums :(  very dissapointing! 
Oh well, at least we have the albums remastered now, enjoy it because they seem to be the
only true "BONUS" were gonna get this year. And NO Rhyeking I dont think putting single mixes 
newly created stem mixes,available live versions (I can go on and on) has ANYTHING to do
THEIR quality control and what the fans deserve to hear .... come on 5 tracks per disc! pathetic !  

aight, I better pick up my kids from school now ...

Am I alone in saying the booklets are reallt difficult to remove from the case without ruining?

PS agreed the singles boxes weren't totally complete - but what's missing? MTS, some previous single A sides tagged on cd singles as B sides in the 90s (seriously, what was that about?) that were included anyway, a couple of 12" mixes. Made a nicer set than these. But £50 was taking the piss. Each would've been nice as a 2 disc set with A side / Bside one after the other and a nice fold out of the different covers. That would've acted as a brilliant Deep Cuts / Best of combined!

yes, youre of course youre right  .... but dont forget that this is QPL 

:P 

btw: Im new to Queenzone and Ive read some of your opinions and I think we agree on a lot of things.

aaaaargh Jewel cases for example :s 

greetings ! :)

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Amanda

No worries Ren X

To Grateful Fan: 

The corporate decisions lie in managing the catalogue after the artistic decisions have been made (ie. how to re-issue the albums). Further artistic revision can be applied if changes are made to the original work (adding bonus tracks). Corporate interests must function along side artistic ones at this point.

New creative decisions are made when addressing newly released material, including older demos and outtakes. The act of releasing them is an artistic decision, as these will stand alongside their albums. It is here that Queen cannot and should not be compelled merely by fans pressuring them to release it, anymore than fan pressure should dictate how they should record or release an album. 

You ask whether or not it's a "product" and if that gives you leave to complain about it. I suspect you already know the answer. The question does not address the two principles at work, the art itself and its presentation. A CD of music is not one thing, like box of laundry detergent. It is the medium and it is art. The one is the vehicle for the other. Complain all you want about it if the medium fails and analyse the art to your heart's content. 

If the release was never intended to address a specific artistic or commercial direction, what do we hope to learn by complaining that it fails to accomplish either?

To Ren Sen:

It's pretty clear that you want what you want when you want it, like a lot of fans here.

To everyone else:

I'm curious about when certain fans' interest in the band ceased being about listening to what the band had to say (and how they said it) and became strictly about what these fans' want to hear (and have); the "What have they done for me lately?" attitude.

I think maybe the while the album continues to be 'art', the expansion of it also needs to be considered archival or historic - even the sleevenotes refer to the meticulous reconstruction of the albums.  Therefore they need to stick to rules that respect the original content, add to it, give a more complete picture. That is why that haven't tagged these onto the same disc to muddle the integrity of the original release, which again adds to the disappointment that the bonus discs, while definitely worthwhile and exciting, have been a missed opportinuty for historic complete editions of albums that have become the blueprint for 2000's Rock N Rock. I agree fully about it being the band's choice for the unreleased stuff to see the light of day - that's up to them. But it's weird they don't feel it necessary to celebrate their archives more.

I think it's great we are having a super thread about this.

rhyeking wrote:

To everyone else:

I'm curious about when certain fans' interest in the band ceased being about listening to what the band had to say (and how they said it) and became strictly about what these fans' want to hear (and have); the "What have they done for me lately?" attitude. 

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It's hard to pinpoint an exact time, but it ceased right about the same time they stopped saying anything of importance with their products. GT's list of 40th anniversary events this year highlights just how little they have left to say to us.

I would think that after everything they have given us, they've earned the right to not need to say much more and still retain our respect. Or is respect conditional, maintained only so long as fans get what they want consistently?

At the risk of repeating things that have be said already, I'd just like a set of 2-disc editions of the albums that collect together all the previously issued supplimental tracks from the sessions and attendent b-sides. I guess like the Queen 1 disc was and the Miracle disc threatens to be.

rhyeking wrote: I would think that after everything they have given us, they've earned the right to not need to say much more and still retain our respect. Or is respect conditional, maintained only so long as fans get what they want consistently?
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They are not our friends or relatives. They have made it perfectly clear that there is nothing more than a business relationship between us, so why should we unconditionally respect everything they release? (And that's still different from respecting them as musicians!)

If you feel that way, Tero, I can't say I blame Queen for not wanting to reward such an attitude by giving you previously unreleased material. 

They provided you their art. You want more and are annoyed that they are not obliging. Not giving you what you want, however, does not preclude them from continuing to make available the previously issued material in new packaging.

rhyeking wrote: If you feel that way, Tero, I can't say I blame Queen for not wanting to reward such an attitude by giving you previously unreleased material. 

They provided you their art. You want more and are annoyed that they are not obliging. Not giving you what you want, however, does not preclude them from continuing to make available the previously issued material in new packaging.
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Oh so that's why they do it. Tero be nicer to Queen and they might throw you a bone! lol!