And rhyeking says exactly how it is and understands completely what these new remasters are all about.
And to that Russian guy above - nothing is being changed.
GT
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GratefulFan
rhyeking wrote: Who are these 2 disc sets directed at, one asks?
The 2011 remasters are meant to update all existing editions previously issued by other distributors. That's what seems to either be misunderstood or conveniently ignored by the fans who only want unreleased material. Universal and Island are setting these 2011 remasters as the standard editions to be on the shelf worldwide, whether you're in the UK or Canada or Brazil or wherever. QPL are establishing that all previous remasters and editions are now obsolete in terms of what will be sold in stores and online.
What this means is that as new fans buy the albums, it'll be the same everywhere. There are still old editions on the shelves, but that is an issue at store level (they own the stock and will still sell it unless QPL issues a recall and pays them for the unsold copies). Once the old editions are sold out, the 2011 series will continue to be available until such time as catalogue is updated again, which is when the new edition replaces the old edition.
The Bonus EP is an incentive to get a little extra if you're interested enough in buying the CD. Queen, QPL, and Universal know full well that not every fan will rush out to get these in order to get a few bonus tracks. However, some will and they'll be new fans and old fans alike. For me, they were pretty much the deciding factor in updating to the 2011s from HR 1991s (I'm going to hold onto my previous ones as well, though).
And that brings us (again...[sigh]) to heart of the matter, which is that when some seasoned fans feel slighted, they see everything that does not serve their needs as useless or stupid. You want a boxed set of outtakes and demos, but it's silly to accuse a release for not being something it was never intended to be.
Is the boxed set coming? I have no idea. I hope so.
Should it have been issued already? It certainly would have been nice, but there's no timeline for these things. All I know is it was talked about around the time of the FM boxed set, but a lot has happened since then.
Should Queen listen to the fans? Honestly, no. It's nice when they do special things for us, but ultimately (and correctly) they must retain artistic control over their output. Fan-dictated creative choices represent the ultimate loss of integrity. That said, Queen are likely well aware that we want to hear what's in the vault and may or may not ever oblige us. It's up to them. And they are not beholden to us. Our right lies in accepting or rejecting what they offer.
If Queen's unreleased material is all that now interests a fan, to the exclusion of the new material they have put out or may record and release in the future, I think that fan ought to consider whether Queen's continued artistic relevance in his or her life isn't being over-ridden by the fan's sense of possessiveness and/or entitlement (or, at worst, by their own selfishness).
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Umpteem paragraphs about justifiable and expected corporate decisions somehow wrapped up as artistic control/interests? How does that work? Is it a product or not? If it's a product, interested parties get to complain about it and demand better just like any other product. I've never had anybody call me entitled and selfish because I wanted a company in whose product I'd made significant investment of time and money to get it's act together and meet expectations they themselves set up or expectations that are reasonable based on the behaviour and output of competitors. If it's not a product, but art, or some kind of product-art hybrid then there certainly is an implicit artist/fan relationship there that makes your statement about 'the ultimate loss of integrity' more than a little absurd.
The 2011 remasters are meant to update all existing editions previously issued by other distributors. That's what seems to either be misunderstood or conveniently ignored by the fans who only want unreleased material. Universal and Island are setting these 2011 remasters as the standard editions to be on the shelf worldwide, whether you're in the UK or Canada or Brazil or wherever. QPL are establishing that all previous remasters and editions are now obsolete in terms of what will be sold in stores and online.
What this means is that as new fans buy the albums, it'll be the same everywhere. There are still old editions on the shelves, but that is an issue at store level (they own the stock and will still sell it unless QPL issues a recall and pays them for the unsold copies). Once the old editions are sold out, the 2011 series will continue to be available until such time as catalogue is updated again, which is when the new edition replaces the old edition.
The Bonus EP is an incentive to get a little extra if you're interested enough in buying the CD. Queen, QPL, and Universal know full well that not every fan will rush out to get these in order to get a few bonus tracks. However, some will and they'll be new fans and old fans alike. For me, they were pretty much the deciding factor in updating to the 2011s from HR 1991s (I'm going to hold onto my previous ones as well, though).
And that brings us (again...[sigh]) to heart of the matter, which is that when some seasoned fans feel slighted, they see everything that does not serve their needs as useless or stupid. You want a boxed set of outtakes and demos, but it's silly to accuse a release for not being something it was never intended to be.
Is the boxed set coming? I have no idea. I hope so.
Should it have been issued already? It certainly would have been nice, but there's no timeline for these things. All I know is it was talked about around the time of the FM boxed set, but a lot has happened since then.
Should Queen listen to the fans? Honestly, no. It's nice when they do special things for us, but ultimately (and correctly) they must retain artistic control over their output. Fan-dictated creative choices represent the ultimate loss of integrity. That said, Queen are likely well aware that we want to hear what's in the vault and may or may not ever oblige us. It's up to them. And they are not beholden to us. Our right lies in accepting or rejecting what they offer.
If Queen's unreleased material is all that now interests a fan, to the exclusion of the new material they have put out or may record and release in the future, I think that fan ought to consider whether Queen's continued artistic relevance in his or her life isn't being over-ridden by the fan's sense of possessiveness and/or entitlement (or, at worst, by their own selfishness).
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Umpteem paragraphs about justifiable and expected corporate decisions somehow wrapped up as artistic control/interests? How does that work? Is it a product or not? If it's a product, interested parties get to complain about it and demand better just like any other product. I've never had anybody call me entitled and selfish because I wanted a company in whose product I'd made significant investment of time and money to get it's act together and meet expectations they themselves set up or expectations that are reasonable based on the behaviour and output of competitors. If it's not a product, but art, or some kind of product-art hybrid then there certainly is an implicit artist/fan relationship there that makes your statement about 'the ultimate loss of integrity' more than a little absurd.
flashgordon2011
GT wrote: And rhyeking says exactly how it is and understands completely what these new remasters are all about.
And to that Russian guy above - nothing is being changed.
Will be released be this year, dvd concert or documentary movie?
And to that Russian guy above - nothing is being changed.
Will be released be this year, dvd concert or documentary movie?
flashgordon2011
GT wrote: The extra track has been added because it was left off the original press release and was just waiting for clearance, that's all. The band and the guys who compile this stuff are happy with what is on this new set of bonus EP's, not everyone will be, but all the inclusions are right for each CD. As I have said before, this is not an Anthology release or a bonus disc of rare demos and un-released tracks, but an extra disc to include anything that is relevant from the time, ie, the 'B' sides and the live tracks.
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Will be released be this year, dvd concert or documentary movie?
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Will be released be this year, dvd concert or documentary movie?
c-lebrity94
Hey russian guy)I'm from Ukraine) This New year we are all waiting for dvd Brian May and Kerry Ellis)and it's not a joke)
flashgordon2011
c-lebrity94 wrote: Hey russian guy)I'm from Ukraine) This New year we are all waiting for dvd Brian May and Kerry Ellis)and it's not a joke)
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I am not waiting for this DVD Kerry Elis as singer I do not like, you know
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I am not waiting for this DVD Kerry Elis as singer I do not like, you know
dysan
GT wrote: The extra track has been added because it was left off the original press release and was just waiting for clearance, that's all.
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Like the bass drum on Jealousy :o)
I'm sorry I shouted earlier. We're all friends here.
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Like the bass drum on Jealousy :o)
I'm sorry I shouted earlier. We're all friends here.
Ren Sen
rhyeking wrote: Who are these 2 disc sets directed at, one asks?
The 2011 remasters are meant to update all existing editions previously issued by other distributors. That's what seems to either be misunderstood or conveniently ignored by the fans who only want unreleased material. Universal and Island are setting these 2011 remasters as the standard editions to be on the shelf worldwide, whether you're in the UK or Canada or Brazil or wherever. QPL are establishing that all previous remasters and editions are now obsolete in terms of what will be sold in stores and online.
What this means is that as new fans buy the albums, it'll be the same everywhere. There are still old editions on the shelves, but that is an issue at store level (they own the stock and will still sell it unless QPL issues a recall and pays them for the unsold copies). Once the old editions are sold out, the 2011 series will continue to be available until such time as catalogue is updated again, which is when the new edition replaces the old edition.
The Bonus EP is an incentive to get a little extra if you're interested enough in buying the CD. Queen, QPL, and Universal know full well that not every fan will rush out to get these in order to get a few bonus tracks. However, some will and they'll be new fans and old fans alike. For me, they were pretty much the deciding factor in updating to the 2011s from HR 1991s (I'm going to hold onto my previous ones as well, though).
And that brings us (again...[sigh]) to heart of the matter, which is that when some seasoned fans feel slighted, they see everything that does not serve their needs as useless or stupid. You want a boxed set of outtakes and demos, but it's silly to accuse a release for not being something it was never intended to be.
Is the boxed set coming? I have no idea. I hope so.
Should it have been issued already? It certainly would have been nice, but there's no timeline for these things. All I know is it was talked about around the time of the FM boxed set, but a lot has happened since then.
Should Queen listen to the fans? Honestly, no. It's nice when they do special things for us, but ultimately (and correctly) they must retain artistic control over their output. Fan-dictated creative choices represent the ultimate loss of integrity. That said, Queen are likely well aware that we want to hear what's in the vault and may or may not ever oblige us. It's up to them. And they are not beholden to us. Our right lies in accepting or rejecting what they offer.
If Queen's unreleased material is all that now interests a fan, to the exclusion of the new material they have put out or may record and release in the future, I think that fan ought to consider whether Queen's continued artistic relevance in his or her life isn't being over-ridden by the fan's sense of possessiveness and/or entitlement (or, at worst, by their own selfishness).
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you get it or you dont get it at all ......
Dear sir Rhyking - no offense - but I would like to know : Are you actually a fan of the band or are you a spokesman for QPL?Seriously tho, isnt it CLEAR enough already that WE the fans of this band are NOT happy with whats being released right now ?? (I know Im not alone in this so stop kidding us!) I personally, had a little bit of hope when they decided to change record companies.(after the last horrible releases that were on EMI (the singles boxes/Absolute Greatest) Its 2011 now and they are on Universal, what if they cant get the albums (and the singles boxes) right? God help us in the next year and beyond that!! (we were promised live releases in 2012) What I do know is that QPL dont care about fans that would are interested in: properly done deluxe editions of the albums (a bonus disc thats crammed with BONUS),a live at the bbc set,different live releases on cd/dvd/blu-ray...
but nooo...... instead of that Wembley 1986 will be part no 1 of the Universal dvd collection, that is whats going on here and
how about next year?
Milton Keynes Bowl 1982 - 30th anniversary deluxe 1dvd/2cd ...... no!?!?
ohhh yes they can!!!!
blegh! :(
The 2011 remasters are meant to update all existing editions previously issued by other distributors. That's what seems to either be misunderstood or conveniently ignored by the fans who only want unreleased material. Universal and Island are setting these 2011 remasters as the standard editions to be on the shelf worldwide, whether you're in the UK or Canada or Brazil or wherever. QPL are establishing that all previous remasters and editions are now obsolete in terms of what will be sold in stores and online.
What this means is that as new fans buy the albums, it'll be the same everywhere. There are still old editions on the shelves, but that is an issue at store level (they own the stock and will still sell it unless QPL issues a recall and pays them for the unsold copies). Once the old editions are sold out, the 2011 series will continue to be available until such time as catalogue is updated again, which is when the new edition replaces the old edition.
The Bonus EP is an incentive to get a little extra if you're interested enough in buying the CD. Queen, QPL, and Universal know full well that not every fan will rush out to get these in order to get a few bonus tracks. However, some will and they'll be new fans and old fans alike. For me, they were pretty much the deciding factor in updating to the 2011s from HR 1991s (I'm going to hold onto my previous ones as well, though).
And that brings us (again...[sigh]) to heart of the matter, which is that when some seasoned fans feel slighted, they see everything that does not serve their needs as useless or stupid. You want a boxed set of outtakes and demos, but it's silly to accuse a release for not being something it was never intended to be.
Is the boxed set coming? I have no idea. I hope so.
Should it have been issued already? It certainly would have been nice, but there's no timeline for these things. All I know is it was talked about around the time of the FM boxed set, but a lot has happened since then.
Should Queen listen to the fans? Honestly, no. It's nice when they do special things for us, but ultimately (and correctly) they must retain artistic control over their output. Fan-dictated creative choices represent the ultimate loss of integrity. That said, Queen are likely well aware that we want to hear what's in the vault and may or may not ever oblige us. It's up to them. And they are not beholden to us. Our right lies in accepting or rejecting what they offer.
If Queen's unreleased material is all that now interests a fan, to the exclusion of the new material they have put out or may record and release in the future, I think that fan ought to consider whether Queen's continued artistic relevance in his or her life isn't being over-ridden by the fan's sense of possessiveness and/or entitlement (or, at worst, by their own selfishness).
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you get it or you dont get it at all ......
Dear sir Rhyking - no offense - but I would like to know : Are you actually a fan of the band or are you a spokesman for QPL?Seriously tho, isnt it CLEAR enough already that WE the fans of this band are NOT happy with whats being released right now ?? (I know Im not alone in this so stop kidding us!) I personally, had a little bit of hope when they decided to change record companies.(after the last horrible releases that were on EMI (the singles boxes/Absolute Greatest) Its 2011 now and they are on Universal, what if they cant get the albums (and the singles boxes) right? God help us in the next year and beyond that!! (we were promised live releases in 2012) What I do know is that QPL dont care about fans that would are interested in: properly done deluxe editions of the albums (a bonus disc thats crammed with BONUS),a live at the bbc set,different live releases on cd/dvd/blu-ray...
but nooo...... instead of that Wembley 1986 will be part no 1 of the Universal dvd collection, that is whats going on here and
how about next year?
Milton Keynes Bowl 1982 - 30th anniversary deluxe 1dvd/2cd ...... no!?!?
ohhh yes they can!!!!
blegh! :(
dysan
At least the singles boxed sets were complete and looked nice.
I think I might buy up the ons I don't have just to be perverse.
I think I might buy up the ons I don't have just to be perverse.
Dodger Taylor
I know Island have to issue all the albums onto their label and I get the idea of a bonus cd.I just dont like the material that theyve added.Id of been happy with the bonus cd being Single mixes,extended mixes n B sides.That way theyd all of been in a nice collection all together and allow future releases to be previously un released rarer stuff.As it is its just a mishmash of nothingness.Its been 20 years since Freddie passed away and in that 20 years I think the only good thing to be released was Made In Heaven,everything else has just been same old same old.They may be celebrating 40 years but the last 20 years have been very poor in my eyes.I cant see a change to Island making much difference,just same stuff being re issued.
dysan
same stuff we always get
VS
Complete issues feat all single bsides, edits 12" etc
= same thing?
VS
Complete issues feat all single bsides, edits 12" etc
= same thing?
Dodger Taylor
Meant get all the previously released stuff nicely put together on the reissued albums to get that all out the way
Then release some previously unheard stuff.
Then release some previously unheard stuff.
Holly2003
rhyeking wrote:
Should Queen listen to the fans? Honestly, no. It's nice when they do special things for us, but ultimately (and correctly) they must retain artistic control over their output. Fan-dictated creative choices represent the ultimate loss of integrity. That said, Queen are likely well aware that we want to hear what's in the vault and may or may not ever oblige us. It's up to them. And they are not beholden to us. Our right lies in accepting or rejecting what they offer.
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There's an element of truth in this because some fans want stuff that would not be commercially viable to release in the normal way i.e. through DVDs, CDs with expensive packaging, distribution deals etc. As only fans would buy it and no one else, for financial reasons only QP do not think these releases are approproate. However, there's plenty of ways to release this stuff to fans through downloads or even as physical products. Look at Pearl Jam's live releases, for example. The problem is Queen Productions want to do the least work for the most profit and therefore release only stuff they know will sell to a wide audience. Fair enough: I won't buy it. I doubt they care much about that and that's what I don't understand: why alienate those customers who are most likely to buy your releases? To put it in simple monetary terms, which is the only language they seem to understand (were the music journalists right along? How much money do they need?) they are missing out on some cash as I would buy a product if they released something interesting. However, I also admit that constantly being shafted by QP, together with the often shitty consdescending attitude of their represenatives/employees is grating and makes it less likely I will buy their products unless something really special appears. In any event, like Queen these days, this whole subject is boring. It was boring in 1999 when I complained on the old Queen Fan Club noticeboard that GH3 was a pile of shite and that people should stop buying rereleases of older, already available material otherwise Queen will continue to release them. 12 years later and the same process is ongoing. In that time, I bought, from memory, only Live at the Bowl and Montreal DVDs, plus Return of the Champions and TCR on CD. I would've bought a lot more if they had released Hyde Park, Earl's Court, Houston etc. However, there is plenty of other good music available that I have and will continue to spend my cash on. Brian will have to spend someone else's money to save the badgers ...
Should Queen listen to the fans? Honestly, no. It's nice when they do special things for us, but ultimately (and correctly) they must retain artistic control over their output. Fan-dictated creative choices represent the ultimate loss of integrity. That said, Queen are likely well aware that we want to hear what's in the vault and may or may not ever oblige us. It's up to them. And they are not beholden to us. Our right lies in accepting or rejecting what they offer.
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There's an element of truth in this because some fans want stuff that would not be commercially viable to release in the normal way i.e. through DVDs, CDs with expensive packaging, distribution deals etc. As only fans would buy it and no one else, for financial reasons only QP do not think these releases are approproate. However, there's plenty of ways to release this stuff to fans through downloads or even as physical products. Look at Pearl Jam's live releases, for example. The problem is Queen Productions want to do the least work for the most profit and therefore release only stuff they know will sell to a wide audience. Fair enough: I won't buy it. I doubt they care much about that and that's what I don't understand: why alienate those customers who are most likely to buy your releases? To put it in simple monetary terms, which is the only language they seem to understand (were the music journalists right along? How much money do they need?) they are missing out on some cash as I would buy a product if they released something interesting. However, I also admit that constantly being shafted by QP, together with the often shitty consdescending attitude of their represenatives/employees is grating and makes it less likely I will buy their products unless something really special appears. In any event, like Queen these days, this whole subject is boring. It was boring in 1999 when I complained on the old Queen Fan Club noticeboard that GH3 was a pile of shite and that people should stop buying rereleases of older, already available material otherwise Queen will continue to release them. 12 years later and the same process is ongoing. In that time, I bought, from memory, only Live at the Bowl and Montreal DVDs, plus Return of the Champions and TCR on CD. I would've bought a lot more if they had released Hyde Park, Earl's Court, Houston etc. However, there is plenty of other good music available that I have and will continue to spend my cash on. Brian will have to spend someone else's money to save the badgers ...
Russian Headlong
6 out of 7 of those bonus tracks have been widely available for ages. 3 of them were on the original cd release! dog with a bone and scandal 12" would have been better in my view. invisible 12" is terrible, if that mbdm and rmf were dropped the miracle would be a very good album.
Russian Headlong
6 out of 7 of those bonus tracks have been widely available for ages. 3 of them were on the original cd release! dog with a bone and scandal 12" would have been better in my view. invisible 12" is terrible, if that mbdm and rmf were dropped the miracle would be a very good album.