Adam Lambert becomes first openly gay artist to debut at #1

This can mean a lot to gay people and mean very little to everyone else. Both things can be true at the same time and it doesn't have to be one or the other. Is it a Jackie Robinson moment though? I doubt it.

With all due respect, Freddie never paraded his gay lover on the red carpet or gushed about him in interviews. Adam is walkin the walk and paving the way for other gay artists not to be afraid to be who they really are in the public eye. And maybe his music is not your cup of homophobic tea but it is stellar and stands on its own merit.

someonewholikesadam wrote: "Small and manipulated as you think AL's # 1 debut is, it is hugely societally significant."

How so? How is it 'hugely societally significant?' I'm genuinely curious, as I don't see how it is particularly significant at all.

"Just reading the posts on this forum showcases how homophobic people still are. Many will dismiss an openly gay artist's music simply because he/she is gay."

Oh, please. The reason most people dismiss him is because they don't like him, it has nothing to do with homophobia.

I would be interested if you could identify one post on this thread that is actually homophobic. My bet is you can't.

"And so what if I bought all 77,000 copies myself? I love him!!!!"

Good for you, but it doesn't mean that other people have to feel the same way about him as you.

"With all due respect, Freddie never paraded his gay lover on the red carpet or gushed about him in interviews."

No, but he was always himself, and it didn't take a genius to know that he probably wasn't straight.

"Adam is walkin the walk and paving the way for other gay artists not to be afraid to be who they really are in the public eye."

I think you're affording him far too much significance.

"And maybe his music is not your cup of homophobic tea but it is stellar and stands on its own merit."

Oh, please, stop with this 'homophobia' crap!

I'm bi, and I've dealt with more than my fair share of homophobia in my life, and nothing annoys me more when people throw around the term as if it means nothing. If you want to know what homophobia is, listen to some of the politicians who are opposed to gay marriage because homosexuality isn't 'natural' etc... Some of their reasons for opposing gay marriage are truly disgusting and the epitome of homophobia.

Describing those who dismiss him and his music, as homophobic, is not only nonsense but also extremely offensive.

"With all due respect, Freddie never paraded his gay lover on the red carpet or gushed about him in interviews"

Yeah. Normal people don't do that. It's sickening whelps that like red carpets that talk about their boring fuckin' love lives and assume that the world needs (or wants) to know. Freddie just stuck to what he was good at. I understand this is likely to be a problem area for Lambert.

"And maybe his music is not your cup of homophobic tea"

Posted on a Queen forum. Is there a mental condition behind this startlingly close-minded swill that you've been typing?

with all due respect; america seems to be one of the few places, apart from the middle east, where sexual orientation seems to matter a great deal.
I'll never understand why

anyways; I can't wait to see who will be the first latin american with one leg who tops the billboard chart

in the end it comes down to the music and its longevity. I'm willing to bet alot of money that this album under the "lambert" banner will be forgotten in the not too distant future

In fairness to someonewholikesadam it can be very difficult to hold a reasonable line against what can eventually feel like overwhelming 'opposition'. The subtleties of a score of varying but generally skeptical or negative views can be lost and seem to lump together under something convenient like 'homophobia'. Yes, it's silly to be throwing around that term on a *Queen* discussion forum, but she's generally been respectful and reasonable and supported her points with the evidence as she sees it. So I think this is maybe just a little built up frustration on her part.

Thank you, Grateful Fan.

Amazon and Zebonka, if you don't think people dismiss his music simply because he is gay, you have blinders. I've been dealing with this for 3 years.

It is societally significant, Adam has gotten so much feedback from gay teens, their patents, etc. about how much his being out and proud has helped them in their lives. No, he doesn't HAVE to parade his gay love on the red carpet, but until this can be done without people saying that someone is a "sickening whelp" and not just view it in the same light as a man with a beautiful girl on his arm, there is still work to be done in this area in society.

Homophobic comments on this thread. Hmm. Maybe you are right. But on this forum? Let me just quote you a few choice tidbits.

"if you don't think people dismiss his music simply because he is gay"

Never said that. You brought it up in a fashion that made it sound like it's a problem right here, on this forum - by extension, then, you're aiming it at me. You need to be aware that it's total bullshit in that instance. He's just not what I would choose to listen to, to put it politely. You're harping on about it and trying to make it about an issue that, while probably important to him, doesn't really matter to anyone who simply doesn't like his voice. Reframing the issue is a waste of time. If some people don't like him, it doesn't matter much what listeners in the Bible Belt give as their reasons for also not liking him does it? I don't care if someone switches off because he's gay. That's their own stupid problem.

"Oh, please. The reason most people dismiss him is because they don't like him, it has nothing to do with homophobia."

But not worth arguing over semantics.


"Freddie may have been gay but AL is a "fag."
"Just because Lambert is a flamboyant fag"
"it really concerns me that he may try to kiss Brian. Lambert is such a pervert."

Don't think these were meant to be terms of endearment.

Of course I am aware that some people dismiss his music because he's gay. Just as there are people who dismiss Queen because Freddie was gay.

However, you accused people on this thread of being homophobic, and to attempt to argue that you were referring to people in general, and not those in this thread, is nonsense. You were suggesting that if someone doesn't like Lambert, it's because of homophobia ("And maybe his music is not your cup of homophobic tea but it is stellar and stands on its own merit"). That you would do so is not only an attempt to silence those who disagree, but shows that you have no understanding of real homophobia.

As Zeb said, just because some dislike Lambert for sinister reasons, doesn't mean the rest of us should apologise for disliking his music as well (for non-sinister reasons).

GF (as usual :D) made an excellent point. You probably do feel that you, and other Lambert fans, are being hunted down. Which is not our intention. Unless you're a KISS fan, you shouldn't feel embarassed about liking anyone. 

Personally I don't hate him (nor do I like him). His Bo Rhap and Mad World were both terrific. Although there is no way I could ever listen to his music. Anyway you need to accept that most people who dislike him, are not homophobic. Certainly (almost) none of the people on this thread are.

'But not worth arguing over semantics.


"Freddie may have been gay but AL is a "fag."
"Just because Lambert is a flamboyant fag"
"it really concerns me that he may try to kiss Brian. Lambert is such a pervert."

Don't think these were meant to be terms of endearment.'

Honestly, I have no idea what you're talking about. If you're quoting from the forum, then no, I have never denied there is homophobia on QZ (Skip being the prime practitioner) however I don't see how that is relevant, since none of it is from this thread.

You accused fellow QZers of being homophobic. Based on which comments? Comments made in other threads, and probably all by members who haven't posted in this thread. Completely irrelevant, and a desperate attempt to suggest that if a QZer doesn't like Lambert, it must be because they're homophobic.

Shoe on the other foot..

If I were gay and I didn't like Led Zeppelin, would that mean I don't like heterosexual people?

When put like that, both arguments are just ludicrous.

Only if they dismissed Zeppelin BECAUSE they were hetero. And I clarified that there were no homophobic comments on this thread, just this forum. (the comments above we're direct quotes from QZ) I came to this forum out of curiosity. When it was first announced that Adam would perform with Queen at S'phere, I read comment after comment on Queen's official Facebook page that completely sickened me. And someone posted "You should see what they are posting at QZ." and that's how I came here. So I'm sorry to lump everyone together here at QZ. My mistake. But on our AL forums we never disparage any other artist (or human being for that matter) with the intensity that I have seen from many Queen fans. So if you are not homophobic or just dislike Adam's music because it doesn't suit your tastes, my apologies. It's just that the fandom as a whole comes across as a bunch of ignorant, foul-mouthed people. present company excluded.

P.S. Maybe many of the members in this forum are not from the U.S. and don't quote grasp the depths of hoopobia in this country where many would not consider listening to someone music just because they are a "flamer."