But since when have logic and rationality trumped out irrational beliefs?
If they did, there would have been peace in the middle east centuries ago.
The Real Wizard
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brENsKi
aha. so basically by following your middle-east argument through
the current unrest in the middle east began when Saladin defeated the Crusaders in 1179 and recaptured Palestine, the vanquished Christians had a premonition that some 807 years later a "tape op" WOULD press RECORD on the console and the final show of one Freddie Mercury would BE recorded for posterity. However, Anthony of Padua*** (on his deathbed) in 1231 predicted that the said "holy grail" of audio tapes would be lost forever when a stupid jumped up librarian would claim that "we don't have any such tape" in the queen archives. Consequently, this would prove beyond all doubt that Mr. QueenFan's claim that "they recorded it but it's now lost" to be absolute FACT. Unfortunately, the audio and video data spun its way across the cosmos and bounced back to earth in 2012 landing in the Holy Land - which someone mistook for a mortar shell...and it all kicked off all over again.
*** St Anthony of Padua was canonized - one year after his death by Pope Gregory IX - who upon losing his car keys nominated him the Patron Saint of Lost Things
the current unrest in the middle east began when Saladin defeated the Crusaders in 1179 and recaptured Palestine, the vanquished Christians had a premonition that some 807 years later a "tape op" WOULD press RECORD on the console and the final show of one Freddie Mercury would BE recorded for posterity. However, Anthony of Padua*** (on his deathbed) in 1231 predicted that the said "holy grail" of audio tapes would be lost forever when a stupid jumped up librarian would claim that "we don't have any such tape" in the queen archives. Consequently, this would prove beyond all doubt that Mr. QueenFan's claim that "they recorded it but it's now lost" to be absolute FACT. Unfortunately, the audio and video data spun its way across the cosmos and bounced back to earth in 2012 landing in the Holy Land - which someone mistook for a mortar shell...and it all kicked off all over again.
*** St Anthony of Padua was canonized - one year after his death by Pope Gregory IX - who upon losing his car keys nominated him the Patron Saint of Lost Things
john bodega
The 'nobody pressed record' anecdote is probably just code for 'we couldn't be arsed buying tape when we'd already recorded 2 nights of Wembley footage'.
If tape machines and the necessary tape were onsite, then it would've been someone's job to record it. Someone would've been paid to run that side of things. Someone would've gotten a royal bollocking for not performing his duty!
If tape machines and the necessary tape were onsite, then it would've been someone's job to record it. Someone would've been paid to run that side of things. Someone would've gotten a royal bollocking for not performing his duty!
pittrek
A few logical questions :
WHY would they hire a professional filming crew to film ANOTHER Magic Years concert, after they paid a huge amount of money to film 3 other Magic Tour concerts ? Don't forget that for them it was just another gig (only Freddie probably knew this is their last tour), and don't forget that the Knebworth gig was not planned, it was added quite late after so many fans were disappointed that they couldn't get tickets for any other UK show. Don't forget there were 2 other crews - one was consisting of a couple of camera operators who were just filming what was happening on stage, the other one (the DoRo team) was hired to shoot a DOCUMENTARY about the tour.
The DoRo footage still exists, and we know they filmed at least the second half of the concert - clips of these songs appeared in various DoRo produced documentaries, TV shows and music videos - Is This The World We Created, Tutti Frutti, Bohemian Rhapsody, Hammer To Fall, Radio Ga Ga, We Are The Champions and God Save The Queen.
The footage which was shown on the giant screen was luckily taped illegally by a fan - thank God - and that what we all have. But the sad thing is that that's all what Queen have, too :-( As you can see, they even used the bootleg footage for the new bonus on the Budapest video. Why would they use the audience recording if they had the complete pro-shot footage ?
The BEST thing they could do :
- go to the DoRo archives
- get their boxes labelled as "Queen summer 1986"
- clean the 35mm negatives, and scan them in at least 1080p
- CORRECTLY catalogue everything (I STILL can't understand why they STILL mix up Wembley, Mannheim & Knebworth videos, even on the 2011 edition of Wembley, and on the 2011 & 2012 documentaries). Is it really such a problem to hire somebody who knows what (s)he's doing ?
- get the soundboard multitracks out of the archive, make a new stereo & 5.1 mixes of Knebworth (no fixes or overdubs)
- synchronize the Knebworth footage to the new mixes
- release a 2CD + 1BD + book version of Knebworth, with the full concert on 2CDs, and all you have on Bluray
But I doubt we will EVER get something like that, because it requires this company to invest some money. And that's not something they would like to do. We will probably get a newly re-edited Wembley.
WHY would they hire a professional filming crew to film ANOTHER Magic Years concert, after they paid a huge amount of money to film 3 other Magic Tour concerts ? Don't forget that for them it was just another gig (only Freddie probably knew this is their last tour), and don't forget that the Knebworth gig was not planned, it was added quite late after so many fans were disappointed that they couldn't get tickets for any other UK show. Don't forget there were 2 other crews - one was consisting of a couple of camera operators who were just filming what was happening on stage, the other one (the DoRo team) was hired to shoot a DOCUMENTARY about the tour.
The DoRo footage still exists, and we know they filmed at least the second half of the concert - clips of these songs appeared in various DoRo produced documentaries, TV shows and music videos - Is This The World We Created, Tutti Frutti, Bohemian Rhapsody, Hammer To Fall, Radio Ga Ga, We Are The Champions and God Save The Queen.
The footage which was shown on the giant screen was luckily taped illegally by a fan - thank God - and that what we all have. But the sad thing is that that's all what Queen have, too :-( As you can see, they even used the bootleg footage for the new bonus on the Budapest video. Why would they use the audience recording if they had the complete pro-shot footage ?
The BEST thing they could do :
- go to the DoRo archives
- get their boxes labelled as "Queen summer 1986"
- clean the 35mm negatives, and scan them in at least 1080p
- CORRECTLY catalogue everything (I STILL can't understand why they STILL mix up Wembley, Mannheim & Knebworth videos, even on the 2011 edition of Wembley, and on the 2011 & 2012 documentaries). Is it really such a problem to hire somebody who knows what (s)he's doing ?
- get the soundboard multitracks out of the archive, make a new stereo & 5.1 mixes of Knebworth (no fixes or overdubs)
- synchronize the Knebworth footage to the new mixes
- release a 2CD + 1BD + book version of Knebworth, with the full concert on 2CDs, and all you have on Bluray
But I doubt we will EVER get something like that, because it requires this company to invest some money. And that's not something they would like to do. We will probably get a newly re-edited Wembley.
jones904
"Anyway, we are very lucky in this aspect, Queen filmed a lot of gigs, some of them in great quality in audio and video, something very rare at the time, another great bands never did things like that. "
That isnt true at all i wish it was
but queen didnt film anything hardly
what about the stones
they had documentary footage of them just sitting around drunk
aswell as footage of them performing as teens way upto the present day
marvelous early footage
unlike queen who if anything probably only filmed concerts with very samish sets
i hope i am wrong but i truly think i am not.
plus unlike people like Bowie and Jagger, Queen never gave any social commentary conversations with incites into the times they were in,or their thoughts on things-
instead they just asnswered questions about themselves.
bowie and jagger obviously did that also, but it makes for a less well rounded social or pop culture commentary, and so historic impact, and leaves them seeming less relevent to pop and rock social history.
This is untrue but it doesnt help that they didnt have any fly on the wall docs where they were followed like th stones were, and odd snippets of incite by them of the times they were in, were not captured for posterity.
That is the sort of thing the cultural historians and those looking for voices for docs etc look for.
Queen lacks that kind of thing and so they are not really given a voice outside their own importance to their rock business ventures and fans etc.
That kind of thing helps you stick into the pop rock culture more.
And there is no hope of Freddie being given the serious historic place he deserves for being a great composer and musician aswell as a great singer and frontman now.
Especially now, by having a mere comic who appeals to 12 year old boys toilet humour, portraying him in his epitaphical biopic that will never be deleted.
Anybody would think it was character assasination.
Anybody SANE, and aware of cultural impact , that is.
Queen are not SLADE and this is not the 1970s'
and SBC cannot act
Someone as culturally refined and aware as Freddie, would be appalled.
Plus Jeremy Kapone's present fan base is young, european and American, while SB Cohen's is braindead and in rapid constant deteriation at both ends of the age scale.
That isnt true at all i wish it was
but queen didnt film anything hardly
what about the stones
they had documentary footage of them just sitting around drunk
aswell as footage of them performing as teens way upto the present day
marvelous early footage
unlike queen who if anything probably only filmed concerts with very samish sets
i hope i am wrong but i truly think i am not.
plus unlike people like Bowie and Jagger, Queen never gave any social commentary conversations with incites into the times they were in,or their thoughts on things-
instead they just asnswered questions about themselves.
bowie and jagger obviously did that also, but it makes for a less well rounded social or pop culture commentary, and so historic impact, and leaves them seeming less relevent to pop and rock social history.
This is untrue but it doesnt help that they didnt have any fly on the wall docs where they were followed like th stones were, and odd snippets of incite by them of the times they were in, were not captured for posterity.
That is the sort of thing the cultural historians and those looking for voices for docs etc look for.
Queen lacks that kind of thing and so they are not really given a voice outside their own importance to their rock business ventures and fans etc.
That kind of thing helps you stick into the pop rock culture more.
And there is no hope of Freddie being given the serious historic place he deserves for being a great composer and musician aswell as a great singer and frontman now.
Especially now, by having a mere comic who appeals to 12 year old boys toilet humour, portraying him in his epitaphical biopic that will never be deleted.
Anybody would think it was character assasination.
Anybody SANE, and aware of cultural impact , that is.
Queen are not SLADE and this is not the 1970s'
and SBC cannot act
Someone as culturally refined and aware as Freddie, would be appalled.
Plus Jeremy Kapone's present fan base is young, european and American, while SB Cohen's is braindead and in rapid constant deteriation at both ends of the age scale.
brENsKi
[b] you're wrong about[/b]
[i]"there is no hope of Freddie being given the serious historic place he deserves for being a great composer and musician as well as a great singer and frontman now."[/i]
[b]Freddie already is acknowledged and respected the world over for ALL of the above. It's teh remaining member of Queen and what they've done since his demise that are damaging the "historic place" of the band[/b]
[b]you're correct about (but NOT in the way you think)[/b]
[i]"Queen are not SLADE and this is not the 1970s"[/i]
[b]absolutely. strangely enough, the fondness for Slade endures, due to the very British eccentricity and self-deprecating humour about them. Noddy Holder is well liked in the music and TV industry because of Slade never taking themselves too seriously.[/b]
[b]mind you, if you're so distraught about the movie....why don't YOU get some funding together and then YOU can make the biopic that you feel worthy of freddie? [/b]
[i]"there is no hope of Freddie being given the serious historic place he deserves for being a great composer and musician as well as a great singer and frontman now."[/i]
[b]Freddie already is acknowledged and respected the world over for ALL of the above. It's teh remaining member of Queen and what they've done since his demise that are damaging the "historic place" of the band[/b]
[b]you're correct about (but NOT in the way you think)[/b]
[i]"Queen are not SLADE and this is not the 1970s"[/i]
[b]absolutely. strangely enough, the fondness for Slade endures, due to the very British eccentricity and self-deprecating humour about them. Noddy Holder is well liked in the music and TV industry because of Slade never taking themselves too seriously.[/b]
[b]mind you, if you're so distraught about the movie....why don't YOU get some funding together and then YOU can make the biopic that you feel worthy of freddie? [/b]
jones904
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
why don't YOU get some funding together and then YOU can make the biopic that you feel worthy of freddie?
you're wrong about [/QUOTE]
Anybody who is seriously taking Freddie's awareness and apreciation of other peoples (artistic) talents aswell as their limitiations,into account as regards his attitude to standards in art in general , knows i am not wrong.
why don't YOU get some funding together and then YOU can make the biopic that you feel worthy of freddie?
you're wrong about [/QUOTE]
Anybody who is seriously taking Freddie's awareness and apreciation of other peoples (artistic) talents aswell as their limitiations,into account as regards his attitude to standards in art in general , knows i am not wrong.
jones904
Besides i know Jeremy Kapone can play both serious and camp comedic.
He has also played a gay man (and seriously) .
whereas Cohen is only able to do silly comedy based upon rhetorical absurdaties.
Which are vocal based , and have nothing to do with the broad rangeof acting abiltites needed by those who can convey what it is, to be a person, by acting.
Cohen works on scripts and he relies on absurd use of words he has written.
But movies are not radio plays where only wordiness is important- this is cohens gift
words
so seeing this biopic isnt a cohen scripted comedy nor a radio play , or is it?
it is lacking .
He has also played a gay man (and seriously) .
whereas Cohen is only able to do silly comedy based upon rhetorical absurdaties.
Which are vocal based , and have nothing to do with the broad rangeof acting abiltites needed by those who can convey what it is, to be a person, by acting.
Cohen works on scripts and he relies on absurd use of words he has written.
But movies are not radio plays where only wordiness is important- this is cohens gift
words
so seeing this biopic isnt a cohen scripted comedy nor a radio play , or is it?
it is lacking .
jones904
Cohen will never achieve the conveyence of Freddie's stage agression, neither in the seventies nor in his macho moustached eighties guise.
Cohen is weak, his characters so far, are weak ,his body demeaner is built for ridicule
Jeremy kapone can be both male , very male , and effect a true natural character camp.
He demonstrated that without any costume or makeup when he made the video for his band who also do loose comedy vids.
He has also played a gay man (and seriously) in a movie.
And Kapone in his movies has shown he can convey sexual machismo.
H is in other words as an actor already far more suitable to attempt and achieve anything near Freddie's dualish public appearences,.
in both body build, height and facial similarities he scores more points also.
And he wont look like a 40 year old dried up prostitue.
Freddie although outrageous was always a striking figure on stage even in the crazy 1970's.
Sex appeal and gracefullness is a must.
Kapone will wear Freddies costumes well and give that aura of campness and elegance visually in them.
The camper as well as the harder darker rock outfits, without becoming the laughing stock that cohen will.
And in light of his abilties of serious dramatic acting of at least some known standard and quantity , Kapone could hone down and convey Freddie, the private person also.
and Cohen is so old and can never be macho on stage
Kapone has the right skin and can ,could, will ,move and convey Freddie to a T.
....Cohen will just look rediculous.
Now Freddie may have laughed and said he looked rediculous but he didnt mean the audience thought so, and as you know, we didnt think so, he was very striking!
He wasn't just an old dried out forty year old prostitue with no depth, merely sending up, was he?
Neither in 70's or 80's will Cohen deliver the person behind or the look upfront.
he be terrible, a disaster, like a decrepid old lady dressed as Alice Cooper.
That is what Cohen IS AND WILL BE , and it is just not good enough,.
Cohen is weak, his characters so far, are weak ,his body demeaner is built for ridicule
Jeremy kapone can be both male , very male , and effect a true natural character camp.
He demonstrated that without any costume or makeup when he made the video for his band who also do loose comedy vids.
He has also played a gay man (and seriously) in a movie.
And Kapone in his movies has shown he can convey sexual machismo.
H is in other words as an actor already far more suitable to attempt and achieve anything near Freddie's dualish public appearences,.
in both body build, height and facial similarities he scores more points also.
And he wont look like a 40 year old dried up prostitue.
Freddie although outrageous was always a striking figure on stage even in the crazy 1970's.
Sex appeal and gracefullness is a must.
Kapone will wear Freddies costumes well and give that aura of campness and elegance visually in them.
The camper as well as the harder darker rock outfits, without becoming the laughing stock that cohen will.
And in light of his abilties of serious dramatic acting of at least some known standard and quantity , Kapone could hone down and convey Freddie, the private person also.
and Cohen is so old and can never be macho on stage
Kapone has the right skin and can ,could, will ,move and convey Freddie to a T.
....Cohen will just look rediculous.
Now Freddie may have laughed and said he looked rediculous but he didnt mean the audience thought so, and as you know, we didnt think so, he was very striking!
He wasn't just an old dried out forty year old prostitue with no depth, merely sending up, was he?
Neither in 70's or 80's will Cohen deliver the person behind or the look upfront.
he be terrible, a disaster, like a decrepid old lady dressed as Alice Cooper.
That is what Cohen IS AND WILL BE , and it is just not good enough,.
jones904
Do you think they care?
Jobs for the boys one and all
Jobs for the boys one and all
jones904
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[b] you're wrong about[/b]
[i]"there is no hope of Freddie being given the serious historic place he deserves for being a great composer and musician as well as a great singer and frontman now."[/i]
[b]Freddie already is acknowledged and respected the world over for ALL of the above. It's teh remaining member of Queen and what they've done since his demise that are damaging the "historic place" of the band[/b]
[b]you're correct about (but NOT in the way you think)[/b]
[i]"Queen are not SLADE and this is not the 1970s"[/i]
[b]absolutely. strangely enough, the fondness for Slade endures, due to the very British eccentricity and self-deprecating humour about them. Noddy Holder is well liked in the music and TV industry because of Slade never taking themselves too seriously.[/b]
[b]mind you, if you're so distraught about the movie....why don't YOU get some funding together and then YOU can make the biopic that you feel worthy of freddie? [/b][/QUOTE]
He has not been given enough and as you say their present decisions are atrocious the biopic shall be the major lasting one.
as to the biopic-
I hope someone who is a producer and a director who actually does care, will go offer them some money
and they take the bait and allow something to be made of the magnitude and respect Freddie's life story deserves.
[b] you're wrong about[/b]
[i]"there is no hope of Freddie being given the serious historic place he deserves for being a great composer and musician as well as a great singer and frontman now."[/i]
[b]Freddie already is acknowledged and respected the world over for ALL of the above. It's teh remaining member of Queen and what they've done since his demise that are damaging the "historic place" of the band[/b]
[b]you're correct about (but NOT in the way you think)[/b]
[i]"Queen are not SLADE and this is not the 1970s"[/i]
[b]absolutely. strangely enough, the fondness for Slade endures, due to the very British eccentricity and self-deprecating humour about them. Noddy Holder is well liked in the music and TV industry because of Slade never taking themselves too seriously.[/b]
[b]mind you, if you're so distraught about the movie....why don't YOU get some funding together and then YOU can make the biopic that you feel worthy of freddie? [/b][/QUOTE]
He has not been given enough and as you say their present decisions are atrocious the biopic shall be the major lasting one.
as to the biopic-
I hope someone who is a producer and a director who actually does care, will go offer them some money
and they take the bait and allow something to be made of the magnitude and respect Freddie's life story deserves.
Mr.QueenFan
[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
[b]Mr. QueenFan:[/b] [i]"I don't think they have it but I don't buy the nobody pressed record excuse, I think it's probably been lost many years ago."[/i]
[b]Mr. QueenFan [/b][i]:"The only thing i believe in all this story is that it ISN`T in the archives NOW! But i believe it was recorded"
[/i]
[b]sorry. but NOT a fucking chance. think about it.
In ALL this time.. the "no-one pressed record" story is so fucking well circulated throughout the queen community. Surely in 26 years this story has fed it's way back to someone who worked the console on the day....and surely that person would've by now come forward and said[/b]
[i][b]"no fucking fucking way am i taking the blame for this...i fucking-well DID press fucking record button"[/b][/i][/QUOTE]
Brensky, i only take credit for the second quote: ""The only thing i believe in all this story is that it ISN`T in the archives NOW! But i believe it was recorded".
QZ forum didn´t let me re-edit the post in the right way, so it´s a little messed up, but i take full credit for the last text.
Now, back to topic:
I undesratnd what you´re saying but this story doesn´t have 26 years, and that´s my point! I´ve read the first post from Brian, and he CLEARLY believed that it was in the archives. I´m glad others have read it, bacause it was later deleted, and even i was confused if i had mis-read it, but no! Brian believed in this and maybe only in 2006 he came with the theory nobody pressed the button. This means that until 2003 - 17 years after the event - the band members thought that it was recorded and in the archives. And by the way, the way Brian talked about it, i really got the impression he knew what he was talking about- like, that he had seen it! Now i understand that he could just be talking about screen feeds recordings in general, but that wasn´t my first impression.
This might be a hot topic in Queen comunity but probably the guys that were hired to do the job for the day didn´t have nothing to do with Queen after that tour. And unless they spotted it in the day (wich doesn´t seem to be the case), there´s no way they could tell that someone forgot to press the button or to put a tape unless that person admited it- afterwards! If he did, he´s either stupid ... or a man of honour!
To the Real Wizard:
I´m not being irrational here, in fact i´m being too racional. If you read the post by Zebonka, he´s absolutely right about what he says.
I am very carefull with words because i don´t want to accuse someone of stealing it, but i don´t buy the unprofessionalism excuse here neither. Maybe it was lost!- and let´s leave it at that.
The Band stated at the time that they had the best crew in the world working for them.
This is what i´m thinking, and if someone knows better, please post it, because i´m not really shure how this things really work. I just know what i read here an there.
Queen only used the Big screen for three shows: Wembley (2 nights) and Knebworth. I´m ASSUMING (and this is were i need help) that they had to hire a new company for that job. Mounting the screen, and puting everything in place for the band to use -video recorders, tapes, control room, and Technicians. At the time this was the biggest screen in the world and i´m shure that the technicians used were from the company who hired the screen and not someone from the Queen crew. This is different equipment and state of the art back in 86, so it needed specialists to look after it, and to work with it.
I don´t know how things are now, but back then i´m pretty shure that if you´re gonna spend money on a screen like this and the equipment, then you´re gonna recorded it. Zeppelin did it in 79. Queen did this in 86 at Wembley and if this guys were professionals like i believe they were, then they did it in Knebworth as well.
And if in the control room were Video professionals, then in my opinion this guys don´t forget to put tapes and press buttons. I´m only stating this because i agree that the Queen crew in 86 was possibly the best in the world - that stage wasn´t an easy task, and the big screen only made things more dificult for engineers. A high level of professionalism here to make shure everything was in place.
This is only my opinion and assumptions, but it´s not definitelly irrational. I´m open to all possibilities, but for me to believe that someone "forgot" to put tapes and press a button, then i have to understand how they have planned that day, because as Zebonka says, someone should be in charge of that (the video equipment), and unless the person was multi-tasking i don´t see how can someone forget something for an ENTIRE DAY, and never realize it.
And if it wasn´t recorded, then they only told the Boss (Brian) in 2003 after he went public with his thoughts on this subject.
And if they were ABSOLUTELY shure that it wasn´t recorded why did they tried to find it in the archives. Why look for something you KNOW doesn´t exist in the first place?
Answer: Because they believe that it was indeed recorded.
So, i´m not saying they have the concert, because it´s clear they don´t. But, i´m entitled to disagree with someone who says that the concert wasn´t recorded in the first place, yet tries to find it in the archives.
[b]Mr. QueenFan:[/b] [i]"I don't think they have it but I don't buy the nobody pressed record excuse, I think it's probably been lost many years ago."[/i]
[b]Mr. QueenFan [/b][i]:"The only thing i believe in all this story is that it ISN`T in the archives NOW! But i believe it was recorded"
[/i]
[b]sorry. but NOT a fucking chance. think about it.
In ALL this time.. the "no-one pressed record" story is so fucking well circulated throughout the queen community. Surely in 26 years this story has fed it's way back to someone who worked the console on the day....and surely that person would've by now come forward and said[/b]
[i][b]"no fucking fucking way am i taking the blame for this...i fucking-well DID press fucking record button"[/b][/i][/QUOTE]
Brensky, i only take credit for the second quote: ""The only thing i believe in all this story is that it ISN`T in the archives NOW! But i believe it was recorded".
QZ forum didn´t let me re-edit the post in the right way, so it´s a little messed up, but i take full credit for the last text.
Now, back to topic:
I undesratnd what you´re saying but this story doesn´t have 26 years, and that´s my point! I´ve read the first post from Brian, and he CLEARLY believed that it was in the archives. I´m glad others have read it, bacause it was later deleted, and even i was confused if i had mis-read it, but no! Brian believed in this and maybe only in 2006 he came with the theory nobody pressed the button. This means that until 2003 - 17 years after the event - the band members thought that it was recorded and in the archives. And by the way, the way Brian talked about it, i really got the impression he knew what he was talking about- like, that he had seen it! Now i understand that he could just be talking about screen feeds recordings in general, but that wasn´t my first impression.
This might be a hot topic in Queen comunity but probably the guys that were hired to do the job for the day didn´t have nothing to do with Queen after that tour. And unless they spotted it in the day (wich doesn´t seem to be the case), there´s no way they could tell that someone forgot to press the button or to put a tape unless that person admited it- afterwards! If he did, he´s either stupid ... or a man of honour!
To the Real Wizard:
I´m not being irrational here, in fact i´m being too racional. If you read the post by Zebonka, he´s absolutely right about what he says.
I am very carefull with words because i don´t want to accuse someone of stealing it, but i don´t buy the unprofessionalism excuse here neither. Maybe it was lost!- and let´s leave it at that.
The Band stated at the time that they had the best crew in the world working for them.
This is what i´m thinking, and if someone knows better, please post it, because i´m not really shure how this things really work. I just know what i read here an there.
Queen only used the Big screen for three shows: Wembley (2 nights) and Knebworth. I´m ASSUMING (and this is were i need help) that they had to hire a new company for that job. Mounting the screen, and puting everything in place for the band to use -video recorders, tapes, control room, and Technicians. At the time this was the biggest screen in the world and i´m shure that the technicians used were from the company who hired the screen and not someone from the Queen crew. This is different equipment and state of the art back in 86, so it needed specialists to look after it, and to work with it.
I don´t know how things are now, but back then i´m pretty shure that if you´re gonna spend money on a screen like this and the equipment, then you´re gonna recorded it. Zeppelin did it in 79. Queen did this in 86 at Wembley and if this guys were professionals like i believe they were, then they did it in Knebworth as well.
And if in the control room were Video professionals, then in my opinion this guys don´t forget to put tapes and press buttons. I´m only stating this because i agree that the Queen crew in 86 was possibly the best in the world - that stage wasn´t an easy task, and the big screen only made things more dificult for engineers. A high level of professionalism here to make shure everything was in place.
This is only my opinion and assumptions, but it´s not definitelly irrational. I´m open to all possibilities, but for me to believe that someone "forgot" to put tapes and press a button, then i have to understand how they have planned that day, because as Zebonka says, someone should be in charge of that (the video equipment), and unless the person was multi-tasking i don´t see how can someone forget something for an ENTIRE DAY, and never realize it.
And if it wasn´t recorded, then they only told the Boss (Brian) in 2003 after he went public with his thoughts on this subject.
And if they were ABSOLUTELY shure that it wasn´t recorded why did they tried to find it in the archives. Why look for something you KNOW doesn´t exist in the first place?
Answer: Because they believe that it was indeed recorded.
So, i´m not saying they have the concert, because it´s clear they don´t. But, i´m entitled to disagree with someone who says that the concert wasn´t recorded in the first place, yet tries to find it in the archives.
jones904
The title is more really true than false
Knebworth really doesnt exist, it has been wiped from time itself
i can tell there are no waves coming from its place. It seems Queen have tried to make it dissapear from the time river..
Knebworth really doesnt exist, it has been wiped from time itself
i can tell there are no waves coming from its place. It seems Queen have tried to make it dissapear from the time river..
Ozz
Mr.QueenFan: You are relying in the well known faulty memory of Brian. This is old history. Since Magic Years, Rare Live, Champions of the world to the last documentary there are NO TRACES of filmed Knebworth.
pittrek is absolutely right: They had had planned filming Wembley and Budapest. Knebworth was a last minute gig. There are no recordings of any big screen in any of the other venues from the magic tour. It makes all the sense in the world.
I'm sure is the reason is not necessarily that they didn't pressed the button but more something along the lines of them not wanting to film it at the time.
We NOW know that knebworth was their last show. They didn't back then
pittrek is absolutely right: They had had planned filming Wembley and Budapest. Knebworth was a last minute gig. There are no recordings of any big screen in any of the other venues from the magic tour. It makes all the sense in the world.
I'm sure is the reason is not necessarily that they didn't pressed the button but more something along the lines of them not wanting to film it at the time.
We NOW know that knebworth was their last show. They didn't back then
Doga
It could be much worse, at least they recoreded the audio of Knebworth.
I can't see the tragedy in not filming a gig. For a band of musicians the audio is the important, not the visuals, and, if Queen Archivist is right they record seven or eight gigs of the Magic Tour. I think is enogh.
I can't see the tragedy in not filming a gig. For a band of musicians the audio is the important, not the visuals, and, if Queen Archivist is right they record seven or eight gigs of the Magic Tour. I think is enogh.