Knebworth don't exist. Comparative between DoRo and the Screen

I still think at the very least maybe a quarter of the show exists from Doro cameras (even if it is true that the screen feed was not recorded). We've seen short clips from Bo Rhap, Tutti Frutti and Hammer to Fall. I've been told those clips only go for a few seconds (so we're supposed to beleive the camera man set up his camera, filmed a few 3 second blocks here and there and kept hitting the pause button to cut out the rest of the songs).
I'm not doubting the word of the person who told me that info as he may only be going by what he was told, but really .....

As it was noted earlier, we were told that only a few songs of the Fri Wembley show existed from 2003 onwards, then the whole show mysteriously appears.

One of the key elements in a marketing a product can be a suprise annoucement, I'd not be at all suprised if they're keeping something under wraps for a future release (maybe box set of audio plus what is available of the video) like the recent Led Zep release.

[QUOTE] [b]guild93 wrote:[/b]

We've seen short clips from Bo Rhap, Tutti Frutti and Hammer to Fall.[/QUOTE]

Don't forget the full video of "Is This The World", parts of Ga Ga, clips of Champions and the almost full GSTQ

It's funny, i found Pink Floyd fans have the same debate with a show of the Animals Tour, (A tour without recorded gigs) some of them claim that one show was filmed for a Tv Station, while other claims the opposite

[QUOTE] [b]Ozz wrote:[/b]

There are no recordings of any big screen in any of the other venues from the magic tour. It makes all the sense in the world.

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OK, now i am confused and before going further i need help in clarifying some things. This is what i think exists from the Wembley concerts.

Friday concert:

- The video feed recording +
- The Gavin Taylor recording - incomplete- in preperation for the socond day.
I thought that the DVD from the Friday show was a mixture between the two sources.

Saturday Concert:

-The Video screen recording +
-The Gavin Taylor recording - complete show as seen on DVD.

Is this right?
If the Video feeds were not recorded from Wembley then there´s no point for me in continue this discussion about Knebworth, but i allways got the impression that the Wembley feeds were recorded.

It's a good point, but we need an expert in electronics/video to confirm that.

I'm not sure if Wembley bigscreen recorded the video. For sure Gavin Taylor said he need to change the tapes in the cameras. They recorded the show in tapes and the bigscreen was for the audience.

What makes you think that the Wembley video feed was recorded ? I never heard about that

Ozz the screen was only used at Wembley & Knebworth, your post implies that it was used at all the shows?

Whether the Wembley screen feed was recorded I don't know but screen feeds usually are. Both Houston & Earls Court are Queen examples, along with Hyde Park 2005. A lot of stuff on ac/dc's family jewels came from screen feeds, Zeppelin Earls Court was a screen feed and possibly Knebworth? Go onto YouTube and you'll find bootleg screen feeds from an a-z of rock bands.

And pittrek I don't understand what you mean when you say why would they pay for a film crew? The film crew were there.

[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]

What makes you think that the Wembley video feed was recorded ? I never heard about that[/QUOTE]


Well, years of reading Brian´s soapbox and Queenzone. To be fair i can´t emember the exact sources right now, because there were lots of contradicting things over the years and i´m not going to read everything again.

But from memory, and my personal conclusions about what was writen, i got the impression that the Bonus DVD from the Wembley show - Friday- that what you see is what was seen on the big screen that night. I can be wrong about this, but didn´t they told that the first night wasn´t filmed completely by Gavin Taylor?

If that´s the case then they had to include footage from the feeds, and maybe that´s the reason you get all those close up angles of freddie and the band, like you usually do on the big screen.

Oh, and by the way i never thought that Gavin Taylor was responsable for the Big screen. I allways thought that it was a complete diferent crew for the job. Whether or not they were going to film the concert for posterior release, a crew needed to be in place to operate the Big Screen.

This is why i´m insisting on Knebworth. If the Big Screen was there, then the crew that operated it in Wembley should be there too?! But even if it wasn´t the same crew, everything else (technology) should be in place, and this guys do what they allways do to operate the "beast". Like i said before, certainly there must have been there specialists from the company who rented the Big screen in case something went wrong.

What i´m trying to say is that not filming it isn´t an option! I´m pretty shure that if you have the Big Screen and the technology behind it, then you record it. It doesn´t matter if it´s their last concert, a big concert or a small concert. This isn´t the kind of thinking that goes on in these guys minds. You have a feed, a videorecorder, - you tape it!

Even when Brian says that someone forgot to press the button, what he´s really saying is that someone didn´t follow the PROCEDURE for this cases. Because if it wasn´t supposed to be recorded in the first place, then no one forgot anything!

And this is what i don´t agree with. Unless they knew from that day that it wasn´t recorded as it should have been, then they can´t say for shure that it wasn´t!
They don´t find it in the archives, but that doesn´t mean it wasn´t recorded. And if the responsible for the feed that day were Doro, then there´s a good chance of it being not laballed at their archives- "lost" with the other tapes form the 86 documentary.

If this is a confusing topic thank Queen guys. Here´s another one who spotted Brian words on this topic, Read the reply by NTL, 12 Aug 2006:

http://www.queenzone.com/forums/855783/knebworth-original-recording-tape-sold-to-private-collector.aspx?page=2

It reads:

"Brian is now saying that no video exists because someone forgot to hook up a machine to record it, however a while back Brian mentioned on his site that they DO have the video but it was recorded direct from the screens which meant they could not do an edit, so was not good enough for release.

Maybe they do have the video but dont want it released, so Brian is now putting a lid on it by saying it does not exist at all. "

And from this:

http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1027435/the-queen-live-archive-list-finally-sorry-for-the-delay.aspx?page=3

diesel_79c asks, 03 Aug 07:
"Hi Mr. Broks,
Thanks for sharing your list!
I have a question:

"Is the Knebworth 86 only audio recording or also video recording?"

Queen Archivist answer:
diesel_79c

ONLY the sound. No footage exists.

Only footage of the big screens exists which is utterly boring, and some shots of the audience as I recall."


I haven´t seen the new Queen Documentary in Budapest where they used the audience shot, but it´s clear that they don´t have it, but the contradictions throughout the years were obvious.

Maybe they recorded the videoscreen feed, maybe is the only they have... but maybe someone lost, destroy, forget... the materials through the years and now they don't have it.

It could be a lots of maybes

Well Greg contradicts himself straight away - "no footage exists. Only footage of the big screens exists".

And presumably he means 'footage FROM the big screens" - I don't want any footage "OF" a big screen with fuck all on it. I'm constantly amazed these days at the lack of grammatical skills of those who are published authors.

Besides, how can footage from the big screens be "utterly boring" if it's of Queen in action at their very final gig?!?

I dont know how many big screens were used on the tour. But what i meant is that there's no clue about any recording from those screens anyway. Sorry i didn't explained myself well.

>"What i´m trying to say is that not filming it isn´t an option! I´m pretty shure that if you have the Big Screen and the technology behind it, then you record it"

your reasoning is based on that assumption, and that assumption may be wrong. There's plenty of reasons why the real world sometimes dont work as intended.

The contradictions you see, are based in hearsay , not primary sources, at least in Brian case, besides we KNOW that Brian has an awful memory and he has given in a number of occasions just wrong info.

[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]

Well Greg contradicts himself straight away - "no footage exists. Only footage of the big screens exists".

And presumably he means 'footage FROM the big screens" - I don't want any footage "OF" a big screen with fuck all on it. I'm constantly amazed these days at the lack of grammatical skills of those who are published authors.

Besides, how can footage from the big screens be "utterly boring" if it's of Queen in action at their very final gig?!?[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure he was talking about the audience recording which we all have. They even used it in the latest release

^ Yes, i think is a signal by Brian/Roger or QueenProductions saying: ''Sorry guys, this is all we have''
The same when they put Bohemian Rhapsody at Hyde Park in perfect condition. ''We have all this footage and this soundboard, and maybe one day...''

if it doesnt esist
it is because they destroyed it

[QUOTE] [b]jones904 wrote:[/b]

if it doesnt esist
it is because they destroyed it[/QUOTE]

Just stop talking, please. You're wasting precious bandwidth.