Knebworth don't exist. Comparative between DoRo and the Screen

OK, now i am confused and before going further i need help in clarifying some things. This is what i think exists from the Wembley concerts.

Friday concert:

- The video feed recording +
- The Gavin Taylor recording - incomplete- in preperation for the socond day.
I thought that the DVD from the Friday show was a mixture between the two sources.

This is a very good point, the Friday Wembley footage is all close-up shots which would indeed suggest it was the feed for the screen above the stage and not a camera rehersal for the 2nd night.

So now were' suppose to beleive they (Star VIsion) recorded the Wembley screen feed but forgot to for Knebworth? hmmm

guild93 wrote:

OK, now i am confused and before going further i need help in clarifying some things. This is what i think exists from the Wembley concerts.

Friday concert:

- The video feed recording +
- The Gavin Taylor recording - incomplete- in preparation for the second day.
I thought that the DVD from the Friday show was a mixture between the two sources.

This is a very good point, the Friday Wembley footage is all close-up shots which would indeed suggest it was the feed for the screen above the stage and not a camera rehearsal for the 2nd night.

So now were' suppose to believe they (Star Vision) recorded the Wembley screen feed but forgot to for Knebworth? hmm

Well, that's wrong. The Friday DVD includes many helicopter shots, shots from behind the stage, shots from the audience perspective ... Pretty far from "all close-up shots". I have no reason to doubt that it was shot by Taylor's team

There is no reason to doubt that Queen only had incomplete test footage in their archive from Friday either, the whole thing was probably kept in Gavin Taylor’s archive. You have to remember in the 10 or so years between the releases they could have bought it from him. Just because they find something "new" doesn't mean it was always in their archive and they were lying.

emrabt wrote:

Just because they find something "new" doesn't mean it was always in their archive and they were lying.

Of course it does. How else would people defend their otherwise undefendable views?

emrabt wrote:

There is no reason to doubt that Queen only had incomplete test footage in their archive from Friday either, the whole thing was probably kept in Gavin Taylor’s archive. You have to remember in the 10 or so years between the releases they could have bought it from him. Just because they find something "new" doesn't mean it was always in their archive and they were lying.

or, possibly (and it's just a suggestion), they hired an incompetent buffoon as an archivist? - who hadn't got a fucking iota of a microbe of a clue what was in the vaults. some might say "an absent-minded professor type...without the likeability"
just a suggestion, mind :-)

emrabt wrote:

There is no reason to doubt that Queen only had incomplete test footage in their archive from Friday either, the whole thing was probably kept in Gavin Taylor’s archive. You have to remember in the 10 or so years between the releases they could have bought it from him. Just because they find something "new" doesn't mean it was always in their archive and they were lying.

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZomjTRkP3wU

Gavin Taylor 1,25 sec:

"When we shot wembley, we actually recorded SOME of the evening before..."

Man, i know that English isn´t my first language but if he says "some" then he isn´t saying Whole, am i right?

And they didn´t have to buy nothing from him because those tapes belong to Queen not Gavin Taylor.

I find it amusing the naívety of some of the answers here in Queenzone, feeling that they have to protect QP when QP are not being attacked. We´re just discussing all possibilities, and i know i have lots of "maybes", but at least they are well documented. Every time i can, i will post a source, but i´m not to blame because of their inconsistencies over the years, or bullshiting as i like to call it.

They were the ones who bullshited you in the first place and now you want to defend their bullshit? Or do you really believe that the 25 years edition of Wembley couldn´t have been in 2003?

They justified their incomplete first night show in wembley 2003 bonus with bullshit, and now that the complete set is out - the version that should have been in 2003- you try to find excuses to make it look that they did an honest mistake.

They can release what they want, either in complete form or edited, i couldn´t care less. I love this band!
It´s the bullshiting that i can´t stand! They could have released the complete concert back in 2003, but they choose to release a minor product - in comparision (not that it is a bad product, because it isn´t - at all!)- based on more bullshit. At least we now know that it´s bullshit!

They only had to say: Look, we have the full concert, but we choose to release an edited version so we can pack the DVD with more bonus, etc.

Instead they choose to say that they have the incomplete concert, etc bla bla bla...

Were they already waiting to cash in on the 25 years edition? Maybe, and i don´t care. It´s their business, i just don´t like the lies and misdirections they throw at the fans- people who support them.

I have found this from Brian soapbox- read entry 09 Aug 11 "LIVE AT WEMBLEY QUESTION":

http://www.brianmay.com/brian/brianssb/brianssbaug11.html


Can anyone tell me what Brian means with ISO footage, because i don´t understand what he means when he says :

"...if you compare this issue with the handful of songs from the Friday night that were offered as a bonus on the 2003 DVD, that there is a small amount of ISO footage from Wembley 1..."

Thanks in advance.

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And they didn´t have to buy nothing from him because those tapes belong to Queen not Gavin Taylor.
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Tapes belong to whoever filmed the footage, the performance and sound belongs to queen.
Who owns it would depend on the contract wording. Note i said "probably" and "doesn't mean they are lying".

Remember what happened with montreal, perfect example.

ISO is the individual camera feeds, so what he is saying is on the original Wembley DVD you have a newly edited set of angles from the footage available. In other words, these are the songs that had footage recorded from all the test cameras (which was 6 or 8 cameras).

The new release is ALL the footage, recorded as a “live mix” on the day. Which I still say queen have only just acquired.
It's the kind of thing Gavin Taylor would keep as an example of his work on that event, rather than a full set of all angles it's a live mixed of the finished product.

(or as Mr.QueenFan has already said, probably screenfeed and multicameras.)

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I find it amusing the naívety of some of the answers here in Queenzone, feeling that they have to protect QP when QP are not being attacked. We´re just discussing all possibilities, and i know i have lots of "maybes".
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No you are not "just discussing all possibilities" what i posted is a possibility, you somehow took it as an argument.

What i say still stands, what they had in the archive in 2002, and what they had in 2011 could have changed, it doesn't mean they are lying.

Of course they had more (all in my opinion) of the footage in 2003 because snippets of the first night are all over in the bonus interviews/doc.

Well, that's wrong. The Friday DVD includes many helicopter shots, shots from behind the stage, shots from the audience perspective ... Pretty far from "all close-up shots". I have no reason to doubt that it was shot by Taylor's team

I fully expect the helecopter shots were from the 2nd night and were just edited in to the first night to make it more viewer friendly. (plus a few other odds rushes). I still think it's at least 95% screen feed.

emrabt wrote:

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And they didn´t have to buy nothing from him because those tapes belong to Queen not Gavin Taylor.
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Tapes belong to whoever filmed the footage, the performance and sound belongs to queen.
Who owns it would depend on the contract wording. Note i said "probably" and "doesn't mean they are lying".

Remember what happened with montreal, perfect example.

ISO is the individual camera feeds, so what he is saying is on the original Wembley DVD you have a newly edited set of angles from the footage available. In other words, these are the songs that had footage recorded from all the test cameras (which was 6 or 8 cameras).

The new release is ALL the footage, recorded as a “live mix” on the day. Which I still say queen have only just acquired.
It's the kind of thing Gavin Taylor would keep as an example of his work on that event, rather than a full set of all angles it's a live mixed of the finished product.

(or as Mr.QueenFan has already said, probably screenfeed and multicameras.)

Thanks for the clarification. That´s why i said that the first night was a mix between screenfeed and multicameras.

emrabt wrote:
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I find it amusing the naívety of some of the answers here in Queenzone, feeling that they have to protect QP when QP are not being attacked. We´re just discussing all possibilities, and i know i have lots of "maybes".
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No you are not "just discussing all possibilities" what i posted is a possibility, you somehow took it as an argument.

What i say still stands, what they had in the archive in 2002, and what they had in 2011 could have changed, it doesn't mean they are lying.

First I feel i have to apologise to you about my condescending tone when i used the word naívety. I wasn´t replying just to you, but i can understand that it wasn´t the right tone. My sincere apologies!

Now, back on topic:
I agree with you that what they had in the archive in 2011 could have changed, i just don´t agree with the fact that the full Friday concert wasn´t avaiable in 2003.

It remains possible that the audio or video of the first night was not intact in 2003. The things we'll never know..

But in the event that there were no quality issues, then indeed it was simply a way to make money on two DVD releases. So in this day and age of bit torrent, they shouldn't surprised when people will download disc 2 of the 2011 release because they don't feel like buying an identical disc 1 again.

Excellent discussion.

First I feel i have to apologise to you about my condescending tone when i used the word naívety. I wasn´t replying just to you, but i can understand that it wasn´t the right tone. My sincere apologies!
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no problem, don’t worry about it.

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Now, back on topic:
I agree with you that what they had in the archive in 2011 could have changed, i just don´t agree with the fact that the full Friday concert wasn´t avaiable in 2003.
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Yes it was probably a marketing ploy, but there is always a chance they didn't know about it.