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[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b]
"Fuck the naysayers"
I don't get this blatantly shallow outlook on
life. When did I wake up in a world where people are only allowed to say
positive things about crap?
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"Fuck the naysayers" is merely [b]my opinion[/b], It is not a [b]deceleration[/b] that naysayers [b]are not entitled to have a opinion[/b], how you drew this conclusion eludes me.
I also liked the shows, but it was a fact that the best moments of the concert was when Adam was not around
Zebonka, what is an "inactive" Twitter follower? Someone who just reads Adam's tweets and doesn't tweet themselves? That still counts as a Twitter follower, right? And the relevance of the number of Twitter followers was in reference not to singing but to one person's mention that AL was fading into obscurity. Don't think so. And he is currently still touring internationally to sold-out venues.
"how you drew this conclusion eludes me"
You're being a bit of a dildo, though. If you had any integrity, you wouldn't be just damning naysayers for having good solid reasons for thinking this collaboration was a poor fit. You'd be damning the people who liked it, too. There really isn't a difference, is there? It really is the depth of myopia to think that only positive opinions are considered ones and that negative ones are just people being negative for the sake of being negative. I have to say I'm sick of seeing that subtext on this forum.
These are the inferences you make when you say 'fuck the naysayers'. If you're not happy with people misinterpreting you, then you should be more clear in your declarations. What is it that you really mean when you say 'fuck the naysayers'? Is that 'fuck everyone who isn't praising this fruitcake'? Or just 'fuck the people who complained without even listening to the shows'? I could get behind the second one - but that's not what you said.
I think you'll find most of the people posting on this thread had legitimate comment to make about the Q+AL shows. I stayed up into the wee hours to take part in the thread for Kiev as the show was playing out. I don't think I'm going too far in saying I was constructive in my comments, some of which were positive.
'Fuck the naysayers' is a dimwit attitude to have, is all I'm saying. It's not terribly becoming.
"it was a fact that the best moments of the concert was when Adam was not around"
No kidding!
Having given some of the Kiev show a spin recently, it does strike me that Roger's singing is pretty good these days. Kind of sad to hear his drumming get softer though. Even so, it was a lot better when he was on the kit than when his son took over. The drumming for "Kind of Magic" was boring as hell. Pity, because the singing and guitar was effing ace.
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[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b] "how you drew this conclusion eludes me"
You're being a bit of a dildo, though. If you had any integrity, you wouldn't be just damning naysayers for having good solid reasons for thinking this collaboration was a poor fit.
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[/b]I know it was 44C in Perth today, maybe the heat has gotten to you. Can you quote my comments where I defended the "poor fit". Where is my post glorifying Al's singing ability? [b]
Again I repeat, for the third time. "I am not into his solo work, nor am I a big fan of Adam, but I really respect him for all the hard yards he put in with Brian & Roger."
All of my comments have been directly about the show the band put on, the actual gig, the concerts, the part where they were on a stage making noise.[/b]
"The Concert I Attended was Fucking brilliant" Am I not entitled to that opinion?
To say the show was shite because AL has a poor voice is sheer crap. Why not mail Gigwise and ask them to revise their poll based on the fact that AL has a poor voice. I would love to see the response.
Dear Gigwise
Can you amend your "Queen and Adam Lambert Voted Best Live Gig Of 2012" to "Queen and Adam Lambert Voted Best Live Gig Of 2012 Even Though Adam Lambert Cannot Sing"
Your Faithfully
Zebonka12
If this thread was called Adam Lambert voted Best Live Vocalist Of 2012, I'd understand the reaction.
[b] Naysayer [/b]
One who frequently engages in excessive complaining, negative banter
and/or a genuinely poor and downbeat attitude. Naysayers are
distinguished by their tendency to consistently view the glass half
empty, make frequent one-way trips to negative town, and constantly
emphasize the worst of a situation. They have the capacity to rant and
whine for hours on end about the most insignificant inconveniences. They
tend to travel solo, but have the keen ability to spread their
pessimistic attitude to a group of unsuspecting bystanders and encourage
others to employ their mindset.
Naysayers tend to blend in with those around them rather
well, granted they have learned over the years to adapt to their
surroundings. However, when the opportunity arises, their true nature
will be exposed and they will stop at nothing to exclude others or bring
a general sense of negativity to any situation.
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[b]Zebonka12 wrote: [/b] It really is the depth of myopia to think that only positive opinions are considered ones and that negative ones are just people being negative for the sake of being negative. I have to say I'm sick of seeing that subtext on this forum.
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My comment from page 2 of this thread. [url=http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1333483/queen-and-adam-lambert-best-live-gig.aspx?page=2]http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1333483/queen-and-adam-lambert-best-live-gig.aspx?page=2[/url]
"YV went to a show, not sure which one, and I am not quoting her verbatim, but she said she felt alienated and did not really enjoy the show.[b] I fully respect that opinion because she experienced it and is therefore qualified to comment on it.[/b]"
I'm getting the feeling you have not read much of this thread at all. If you wish to respond directly to me, quote me, and then make your point. You have incorrectly put words in my mouth twice in this thread so far.
"To say the show was shite because AL has a poor voice is sheer crap."
If he was a backing singer or didn't get a lot of time up the front, you'd have a point. I have to laugh at the criteria with which you must be judging the show if you can just pretend that the lead singer isn't there stinking up most of the proceedings and still say a show is 'brilliant'.
And stop it with the sad-sack 'you're putting words in my mouth' act.
"I'm getting the feeling you have not read much of this thread at all"
I think it's more likely that you just have a bit of a selective memory when it comes to what you've put in your own posts.
The Vietnam-style 'you had to be there!' logic concerning how we evaluate live gigs is also a lot of shite, it needs to be said. It muddies the waters on what exactly it is we're discussing when we talk about the quality of a gig. Just so we're clear, I was only ever commenting on these gigs in musical terms, hence my dissatisfaction with the offkey singing. Can people who weren't at the gig evaluate the gig as a live experience? *shrug* Maybe not, although I suppose you can go off the shots of the crowd and the hyperbole that gets spewed afterwards.
I personally don't rely on gig-goers opinions. When I saw the Who, I swear Roger sounded 30 years younger than he did on the recording I took. It makes no difference to me - it was still a great gig - but my on-the-spot impressions were less than reliable in this case.
Fuck knows I've attended (and played at!) enough shitty gigs, and heard enough positive commentary afterwards, to know that what punters think of a show isn't always very helpful or insightful. Frequently they're just trying to be supportive of their friends band or whatever, and that's nice, but if you care about the music then it really does clog the conversation up somewhat.
There's all kinds of things to take into account when someone has been to a noisy, crowded gig and come away thinking it was brilliant. Sometimes it's a bit of crowd hysteria influence, or it's the way that paying money for something forces you to be rather stubborn about it being great - there's a name for that mode of thinking, but I've forgotten it. Maybe because I hate spending money.
It's good for you on a personal level that you can find enjoyment in something like a Q+AL gig, that you're able to tune out the bum notes and all of the schlock, but your attitude indicates that only people who were at the gig should be relied upon for commenting on the quality of the performance - hence the 'respect for YV' and the simultaneous 'fuck the naysayers' attitude. You're probably going to complain 'I never said that!' again, and that's fine, but again this is just the impression you're broadcasting. You are free to reiterate what it is you meant to say, if I've misread you.
I think a lot of people may have formed negative opinions about the concerts before the first note was played, and there is no convincing them that the concerts were any good, they had already decided Al was just not good enough, that's fair enough, each to their own.
brENsKi for example just does not rate AL as a singer, fair enough, he's no Freddie, even I know that much, but then again who is? I think we all agree if somebody tried to do a Freddie it would be crass. Adam did the best he could within his ability, and for me it was good enough, streets ahead of PR's crooning efforts on the previous Queen+ tours.
No live event is perfect and lord knows Fred screwed it plenty of times on stage too. How many bum notes did Fred hit at live Aid in '85? Plenty, he absolutely murdered HTF, yet it is lauded as the greatest ever live performance by any band.
I just find it laughable for somebody to discredit the whole tour because the lead singer has a limited range in comparison to Freddie, Freddie was almost unique as a vocalist, and there really is only a handful of singers who could give Queen's music the same vocal lead Fred had, and you would need to use a handful during one concert to give the music the same sound Fred did, and that would look plain ridiculous.
I am sticking to my opinion that the concert I attended was Fantastic. Of course it was not perfect, but the opinion of somebody who was not there, or take the time to view one of the DVD's or BR's, or even listen to a audio boot, does not cannot carry much weight with me. The whole thing reminds me of the note Roger wrote to Rolling Stone on the airline sick bag all those years ago. "Thanks for reviewing our show based only on the sound check" at least the wankers at Rolling Stone listened to the sound check before slagging off the entire South American tour in 1981.
The people who left the shows happily entertained at Ukraine, Russia, Poland and the three London concerts counts for ZERO to some, fair enough. We're all just sheep, happy to go along with the buzz, and nice flashing lights we saw, which obviously was enough to distract us from the utter travesty that is the voice of AL.
The problem here is that there is a minority of amateur musicians, professional musicians and audiophiles who examine the minutia and miss the bigger picture, they love to have their educated opinions and observations heard, because they are far more educated to critique than the rest of us simple music fans, like me who just like the lights and noise apparently. I freely admit I just liked the sound and the staging of the show and did not examine it to fine detail, I lived in the moment, rather then sitting there analyzing every flaw, shame on me! It's only music or a concert, we are not trying to cure cancer here.
The fact is the concerts, despite Al's flaws were still good, they even won a little award from from GIGWISE.
In regard to the whole front-man issue, I agree it would be great if the vocalists Queen use now could be a front-man, and lead the show, but that will never happen, Freddie was the only front-man the band ever had. Post Freddie Queen have never had a front-man, they have had a singer. PR was not a front-man nor was/is(?) AL a front-man, they were lead vocalists period. The Front-man/men of Queen in a live concert post Freddie are Bri & Rog, not the vocalist, whoever he/she might be. That will never change.
This is BM's review of the show I was at, and I agree with every word of it. Look at the image, pay particular attention to the people standing in the balcony for the entire 2+ hours, I'm up there standing on the armrest of my seat, a picture is worth a thousand words is the old saying I think.
Fools the lot of us though, right?
From Brian May.com
[url=http://www.brianmay.com/whatsnew.html]http://www.brianmay.com/whatsnew.html[/url]
Credit: Roadie Cam (P. Malandrone)
Well, I think we all felt the last couple nights in Hammersmith have been a moment of significance. In fact, perhaps especially last night. The band, as it is now, seems suddenly to have switched into a higher gear - more confident, having more fun … and stepping into new territory … an amazing thought at this stage in our lives and in our careers … to be honest, I would never have thought it possible before this journey with Adam Lambert began.
Adam has his own style and path, and there was never any intention that he would be 'another Freddie" - but there are many parallels, in the mechanisms which we've already developed - coming together as an organic band. It's very pure - having no extra guitarist means I am back in the old place, as in the Old Days, completely responsible for holding up the 'wall' of sound, but also completely freeto control the dynamics and 'feel', working more or less as a four-piece - something which is only possible because Adam is such a strong pivot and front-man. No backing singers - no dancers - it's pure - somehow it feels like Rock ought to be … … dangerous and stimulating. It's completely - real. In this epoch of auto-tune and
hard discs on stage, that's pretty rare these days.
And everybody seems to be having fun. Including … totally … US!
Many thanks to you guys in the Hammersmith audience - no bunch of rockers could be more supportive and inspiring. The view above is something nobody else sees … it's from Pete Malandrone … my intrepid and unflappable Guitar Tech - this is the amazing sight from the Apollo (Odeon) stage - you guys are beautiful !!
Love
Bri
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I think I have made my points clear, I can understand the points put forward by you and others, this thread could go on for ever, but life is to short for that, I personally feel I have already put too much of my time into this thread. Maybe we will just have to agree to disagree, I do enjoy the debate but we are going around in circles now.
Did you watch the live show that had the Euro? That show had q see live and then to find a concrete opinion, I liked it, but even I agree that the battery time was weird, without force, remember that the roger ja and old man, no longer has the strength '70s, but his son, Rufus, it was but the battery has not changed much, from 0 to 10, I would note 7.
Ps: The sensational voice of Roger continues today, as Brian's, although I did not like him singing Tie Your Mother Down.
"YV went to a show, not sure which one, and I am not quoting her verbatim, but she said she felt alienated and did not really enjoy the show. I fully respect that opinion because she experienced it and is therefore qualified to comment on"
Tell YV to pay for good seats next time and she will not feel alienated.
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Ah, you have done your homework, Grasshopper. otherwise known as Grateful Fan). Well, if Glamberts "manipulated" the poll, they were probably at the show and thought it WAS the best live gig of 2012. [/QUOTE]
I didn't do any homework. I went and found the threads I knew would be there because I know how the Adam Lambert fan culture operates. What do radio stations, Open House Party, Nigel Lythgoe and Adam Lambert all have in common? Their business models and livelihoods are heavily dependant on fan engagement. Yet all of them have in one form or another had to tell Lambert's obsessive, organized, coordinated, mass voting fans who feel entitled to manipulate the music industry from their couches to back off. Can you appreciate how extraordinary that is?
http://adam-lambert.org/adam-kicked-off-open-house-party/
http://www.examiner.com/article/american-idol-adam-lambert-asks-fans-to-back-off-radio-requests
http://www.votefortheworst.com/story/668606/adam-lamberts-fans-are-driving-nigel-lythgoe-insane/
The content of the fan sites I linked to previously make it abundantly clear nothing has changed. Claiming these triumphs of fraudulent voting acrobatics as anything other than a head shaking side affect of female behaviour meets fandom meets the internet is embarrassing. Stop embarrassing yourself.
GF,
What is so embarrassing about being passionate for an artist and his talents? I think passion is the best indicator of a fan's love for the artist. If we vote for the "Best Live Gig," it's because we think it's the best live gig. There are plenty of polls that allow you to vote only once. The ones that allow multiple votes are designed that way for a reason. Do you think AL's fans are the only ones who vote multiple times in those polls? Wake up and smell the logic, GF. And if FM were still alive, I bet you'd be sitting at home in your jammies pressing that vote button multiple times for him too. Happy New Year!
