Fanthology - Index

VfLDOTL wrote:

Well, don't fight guys ;-)

Only one question: I've heard several rumors, that a certain group of fans are planning to unveil a large queen collection of concerts and unreleased material. Was this "fanthology-thing" meant or someone else?

Sorry. Fanthology's plans to release carefully and lovingly improved, documented and organized material has been irreparably destroyed by the fact that some material has haphazardly leaked. I'm sure you understand.

Lord Gaga wrote:

Holly2003 wrote:
Complete balls. Usual character assassination from you.

It's funny, because TRW agrees with someone who he thinks is the voice of reason, and you agree with someone who you think is the voice of reason. Both of you are only correct to whomever agrees with your opinions <snip>

There's some truth in this and it's a reasonable observation. We're drawn to people and their ideas online as we are in the rest of our lives, and there will often be patterns of resonance between groups of posters. And you're right that that is not an objective arbiter of the value of any given thought or idea.

However we weren't stuck with that since Mr. Queen Fan was dealing in matters of fact that can be tested. Live Aid? What have I ever said about Live Aid that would merit any criticism? And May's badger campaign? There have been times that I haven't been able to buy a conversation on that. Anybody at any time is welcome to challenge any assertion I have ever made about Brian's sloppy, dishonest, irrational, cartooned, fluffy badgered and fully headed positions. But you best come prepared having read as extensively and widely as I have and you best be aware there are reams and reams of facts and papers and wisdom that you won't find on the Soapbox and even sometimes on the BBC, or you will almost certainly be crushed by facts you've never heard while you decided Brian was just 'making the world a better place'.

Facts are those principles of argument btw that don't involve the size of somebody's ass (JSS), somebody's middle age (inu; both my ass and I are not quite 46 years old for interest's sake), the insulting of somebody's performance in their offline profession, in my case my imaginary teaching career (inu - repeated by Brenski - see 'nonsense gets half way around the world before the truth has its shoes on'. Hope that helps.

Holly2003 wrote:

GF has been called a "c**t"on this thread and yet all you do is play the victim. Where was your moral outrage at that?  

JPF for company. Classy, rational stuff. I have to have thick skin, and I do, but that's always a line that when crossed hurts a little. So I appreciate this Holly.

The Real Wizard wrote:

Mr.QueenFan wrote:

I don´t know who Gratefull Fan is, but there´s nothing gratefull on her posts. The last couple years her posts about Brian´s campaign about Badgers and concerning Live Aid where amongst the more violent i´ve even seen towards an artist by a "fan" with the sole purpose of denigrating Brian´s image on a public forum. Her atention to detail in dissecting every little piece of the events to find one minor contradiction only shows that she´s on a mission to destroy Brian´s character. I don´t know what´s gracefull about that, but i would expect that behaviour from "The News of the World", not here in Queenzone.

Excellent post, this portion in particular. Absolutely accurate.

Glad to see rationality in abundance here again.

Do you really think anybody reasonable gives a fuck about your wandering around various threads declaring rationality restored? LOL. You've demonstrated a hundred times you are utterly unprepared to have a fact based discussion about Brian's badgerism. Go play your guitar. In traffic.

GratefulFan wrote:
somebody's middle age (inu; both my ass and I are not quite 46)

Considering you have said you have a son who is at least 18 years old, it's logically reasonable to assume you must be around 40. Unless you were a teen mom otherwise.
Whether you want to clarify your actual age or at least the proper approximate age range is your business, I'm not going to bully you into divulging that info.

in my case my imaginary teaching career (inu - repeated by Brenski - see 'nonsense gets half way around the world before the truth has its shoes on'. Hope that helps.

I have previously asked you twice to clarify whether you worked in a school or not, because as I said I honestly thought you had made a comment about that a few years ago, but you NEVER answered my question (not even in private as I had invited you to do so), so that's your own fault for letting that nonsense go unanswered half-way around the world and let it grow into a false truth.

I did attempt to reply to GF, but it wouldn't post. See Page 6 :)

inu-liger wrote:

I have previously asked you twice to clarify whether you worked in a school or not, because as I said I honestly thought you had made a comment about that a few years ago, but you NEVER answered my question (not even in private as I had invited you to do so), so that's your own fault for letting that nonsense go unanswered half-way around the world and let it grow into a false truth.

What are you doing attacking somebody on some profession you think they have anyway inu? That's your fault, not mine. I'm not responsible for cleaning up some mess you made of my life details. I don't owe you or anybody else any private or public clarification of my job. FFS.

Not trying to direct conversation, just wanted to bump the most recent comprehensive on-topic post, probably out of a measure of guilt.

dudeofqueen wrote:

The Valyard, re:

>Selling list of David Fuller.

Yep - we know that but it contains fakes, there is absolutely no structure and is massively incomplete. We have no idea how much of this is actually contained wthin the "Fanthology" and what DRF has invented himself in order to generate interest. The list would be provided by the MEMBERS of "Fanthology".

My scenario contains ONLY what is known to be GENUINE Queen material (no Queen+ unless the Fanthologists specifically wanted to include it but would, necessarily, have its own Index) and with solo material set aside with its own Index. Convention Demos would be separated out from studio / pro-quality tracks, MP3s separated from .flac or any other format, dates, times, places etc if the Fanthologists wanted to provide that level of detail.

GratefulFan wrote:

inu-liger wrote:

I have previously asked you twice to clarify whether you worked in a school or not, because as I said I honestly thought you had made a comment about that a few years ago, but you NEVER answered my question (not even in private as I had invited you to do so), so that's your own fault for letting that nonsense go unanswered half-way around the world and let it grow into a false truth.

What are you doing attacking somebody on some profession you think they have anyway inu? That's your fault, not mine. I'm not responsible for cleaning up some mess you made of my life details. I don't owe you or anybody else any private or public clarification of my job. FFS.

Please highlight where exactly I was attacking your profession?

"I don't owe you or anybody else any private or public clarification of my job. FFS."

Listen, it could have boiled down to you even just denying straight up that you didn't even work in a school. Would have solved you some headaches much sooner.
I'm sorry that I got your profession mixed up, I will be human and apologize about that, but how you choose to respond to it is not my prerogative. Nor is it in my capacity to choose for you how you respond to other people that you believe now to be also attacking your job.

Again, I will repeat myself, you COULD have spared some headaches by clearing up & debunking this misguided assumption of mine, but you chose not to, so guess what, that's now YOUR headache to deal with. I have apologized for my mistake, the ball's in your court now.

Yet again an attempt at replying to GF - nice glitch going on here, QZ :)

See page 6 :)

@ GF - good points, well made :)

I totally see your reasoning, and I am open to all interpretations of what COULD have happened. You have totally blown my theory of him (Fuller) NOT having to download the material if he already had it out of the water with some nice logic, and caught me out as I wasn't thinking "out of the box". I'm a little red-faced now for posting that as a legit back-up for the abuse against him.

However, that's not to say I have my tail between my legs - I'll still stand by my assertions that both John and Craig are telling the true version of events. I know that this is not your key issue here, and I will address your "witch-hunt" stance later.

My main problem with Fuller is the moral issue: if he is all about the common man, then why is he SELLING these tracks to them when he was previously distributing freely via YouTube? That's as much a capitalist nature as the Fanthologists supposedly (as far as some here on QZ believe) have. It certainly wasn't helping the "unwashed public" - it only served to take from them.

At least the "elitists" at Fanthology were sharing among the group, and NOT profiteering. I don't believe these guys are hoarding, or "playing with their shiny toys" (as Holly has put it), but meticulously gathering the rarities we are yet to hear, or know of, and are using their already gained gems as clout. I believe that once the bulk has been uncovered, it will benefit US in the long-run. I think they WILL share.

Getting back to the "witch-hunt" allegations - sure, it's really NOT fair to blame EVERYTHING on Fuller, but the fact that he is SELLING the files did merit the ratting out he got, regardless of who dropped him in it. And, to be fair, I'm not so sure it's a witch-hunt: it looks like plain dissent, and I can see why he's become a cropper.

Let's say he DIDN'T get the items on his sale list from Fanthology, but from another trade. SELLING the tracks on totally bursts his philanthropic persona AND, at the same time, helps to undo any of the work Fanthologists have been doing behind the scenes for god-knows how long.

If he DID get the tracks from Fanthology, then he has bitten the hand that fed him, plain and simple.

Either way you look at it, it's a black mark against his name.

At the end of the day, whichever version is correct, and whatever you prefer to believe, the fact remains he tried to make money from stolen goods (regardless of where obtained) via his fellow fans, and that makes him slimy AFAIC, not a hero.

Tell me: what do you think Fuller would have done if just ONE person bought the tracks from him, then pissed all over him by distributing them freely here on QZ and on YT??? I'm sure he'd have something just as nasty to say about that. I'm also sure he's take the stance of the Fanthologists and say "no-more stuff from me".

Fuck him and forget him. Although he's not been here to either confirm or deny the allegations, or for that matter defend himself, his very actions - whether directly or not - have sparked major vitriol here on QZ.

@ QZ: as a result of the said vitriol above, I'd just like to say this: we can't all see eye-to-eye all of the time, but can we not all just try to get on? Or at least back to some normality?

I've seen a lot of nasty things being said here over the past few weeks, and some coming from folk I wouldn't have expected it from. It's very upsetting, because this used to be a place to debate and share our thoughts in civilised manner - NOT the bloody warzone it's turning into now.

In the words of the great man himself: "Stop All The Fighting"!!!

"Scary to think that GratefulFan, if I am not mistaken, claimed to be a teacher. I'd hate to see her interactions with students who don't agree with her teaching views..."

Richard? I'm willing to deal with a measure of your weirdness: its got its charm and some of it is not your fault because of the Asperger's. But there are limits. It's completely socially fucked to pull something like that out of your ass to attack somebody based on their imaginary profession on a discussion board. It gets even more bizarre when you try and make it their fault. Three times. I'm not a teacher and I don't work in a school. OK?

GratefulFan wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote:


I've already confirmed it numerous times (as have several others), yet ignorance prevails. So I guess a fifth or sixth opinion wouldn't hurt...

Pffft. There is a little knot of you here that are like corrupt cops. The evidence is whatever you say it is as it serves you. I have no idea what Fuller did or didn't do, or the degree to which he did it. And based on anything you've said here, neither do you. Dave's defense last year was that he had the material from another source as well and thus felt free to share it in an autonomous decision. Against your rules? For sure. We get that you don't like competing philosophies on sharing music outside of the elite. Bottom line is you have no idea what Fuller had in his collection from anybody else before or after Fanthology. You cannot have a comprehensive idea what panic trades were triggered by your collective fit of pique last year because the world is a big place and your hobby is a self interested stabby little affair all too often because it can be fuelled almost completely by self enrichment and ego. I asked if anything on Dave's list was competely uncirculated in the trading community and you decided to answer some different question I didn't ask. Unless you can point to something on that list that was only in Fanthology you have a shit case. Surely there was something like that on that list? Why don't you take that route instead of this other transparent nonsense?

The watermark? This is what has been said about it: it's indelible and can't be altered, but Dave was so stupid he didn't remove it, you asked an IT expert to help you do it and every single Fanthology member had unique downloads, oh no it was scratches and hisses that only Dave had, oh actually it was in the form of a number, and John even posted the number. Ridiculous, contradictory nonsense from people who feel not a single shred of responsiblilty to make a decent case commensurate to the massive, continuous charater assassination. John changes the damage assessment like he changes lanes. Do you really imagine people don't notice this? Or the manipulative nature of some of the threads about badgers and whether something is a 7 or 4? Or how slimy it is to feature on 20 pages of accusations and then go back and delete all your posts? Remember the bogus accusations about the Cherie track? More deleted accusations, so easily proven wrong in that case because they didn't depend on your backroom trials. Anybody could google that information, and anybody did. In the Cherie case you accused him incorrectly and for nothing and rather than apologize you deleted your accusations. Classy stuff. Stop making the fact that you have zero perspective or objectivity on this guy QZs problem. He could be a psychopath that would steal tracks from his own grandmother for all I know, but at least I know what I don't know.

Sad that you need this boogieman so badly. Can't your hobby function without this device to bludgeon new ideas and control people in the Announce section? Even if his actions are what you imagine they are then the damage is self limiting. Let it go. He'll burn out his stash and that will be that. In fact he should already have done that since John's 'proof' that tracks weren't secured from other collectors is that Dave can't hold stuff for more than a few months because he has a trigger finger. Since Fanthology first emerged in 2011 this is already over by your own arguments. Let it go. Everybody is tired of it, and witch hunts are fucking evil anyway. Your self serving hate campaign was mostly successful. For the sake of QZ let that be enough and just let it go.

It seems that Real Wizard's "yet ignorance prevails" comment appears to have triggered GF's comments in this case.

Holly2003 wrote:

As I've said before, if that lot would pipe down and keep their petty little squabbles off the forum, stop abusing people here as ignorant, stupid, greedy, beggars etc, and stop the blackmail tactics ("we won't share anything else unless you suck up and do what we say") then the forum could go back to its usual shitty state. But if they want to continue with all this bullshit then so be it.

... and there you have it ...

GratefulFan wrote:

"Scary to think that GratefulFan, if I am not mistaken, claimed to be a teacher. I'd hate to see her interactions with students who don't agree with her teaching views..."

Richard? I'm willing to deal with a measure of your weirdness: its got its charm and some of it is not your fault because of the Asperger's. But there are limits. Its completely socially fucked to pull something like that out of your ass to attack somebody based on their imaginary profession on a discussion board. It gets even more bizarre when you try and make it their fault. Three times. I'm not a teacher and I don't work in a school. OK?

Of course it is NOT socially fucked up to pull up Asperger's out of YOUR ass after Richard apologised half a dozen times for his mistake, you sorry, pathetic troll.

I apologise to everyone else for the language.