silver salmon Date

I agree raffy it sounds like fred ala 77/78 for sure. but as walter white says there is so much out there its impossible to know whats what. When I first heard that song (as a collector of boots) it sounded like a live song with the crowd noise taken away you know like those old crood bootlegs were they take away a channel to make it sound like a demo. So asumed the talk at the beginning was part of freds stage banter left on. Now im not so sure what what the hell it is . I told you it was gonna be a can of worms!!!!

I agree the track is pre queen days. but possible recorded in 1977.

The track is definetely written by Timothy John Staffell. Is credited as such on the Broadcast Music, Inc. (BMI) archives.

Now, I BELIEVE it's a 1977 recording, mostly for the drum kit and sound.

[QUOTE] [b]mooghead wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Walter White wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]mooghead wrote:[/b]

Why can't people just admit they don't have a clue?[/QUOTE]

There's loads of conflicting information about it

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Theres no information about it, thats the problem... its just guesses....

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True. But this is where research comes in. If archaeologists and paleontologists can put together a solid picture of the Mesozoic era, then surely a few of us can pin down when a song was recorded.

100%, this recording is from 1977.

This has been discussed so many times here. Yes, the song was written by Tim Staffell, but the song was revisited in 1977 when Queen were stripping down their sound for News Of The World.

The drum kit has timbales, which were only on Roger's NOTW kit. That alone is all the evidence you need to point it to the summer of 77. Of course it's possible that Roger had a similar setup at some other time, but until evidence comes forth to suggest the possibility, then 1977 is the only logical conclusion at this point.

[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]

The drum kit has timbales, which were only on Roger's NOTW kit.[/QUOTE]

'Misfire' has timbales and was both recorded and released three years before NotW. Now, 'Silver Salmon' is from 1977 (that version, that is), but the timbales are not the reason, let alone the sole reason.

[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]

Of course it's possible that Roger had a similar setup at some other time, but until evidence comes forth to suggest the possibility.[/QUOTE]

There's evidence in the form of the song 'Misfire', available on millions of SHA albums out there in different formats (vinyl, cassette, CD, iTunes). Now, 'Silver Salmon' is from 1977 (that version, that is), but the timbales are not the reason, let alone the sole reason.

So the general consensus is 1977, but the reasons why are still conflicting (and still no sources, unless you happen to know one drum from another....which I DON'T. I just let those who DO put the music together and if I like it, then great!!) Fuck it.....I'm phoning John Deacon for answers :)

[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]

Before anyone comes up with the lame argument of 'why would they play an old song?', remember that there's no rule against it.

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That's true, although the examples you give are of artists revisiting/re-recording their own tracks.

I am just trying to imagine the scene, "Guys, we've got 5 hit albums under our belts, and we've always written our own tracks*, but you know what, why don't record that song Tim wrote back in the day..."

*Before someone points it out, I know Tim Staffell co-wrote Doing All Right

The drums are consistent with the NOTW sessions. As The Real Wizard stated, Roger was using the Ludwig timbales but also you can hear a china type cymbal in there which I believe Roger didn't acquire til the ADATR sessions. The banter at he beginning of Freddie saying, "I know he doesn't know it" I'm guessing "maybe" Silver Salmon was rehearsed before John Deacon joined the band. It could have been put on a back burner and forgotten. Possibly during the NOTW sessions they decided to salvage the song and introduce John to it. Just a thought...

[QUOTE] [b]Jazz 78 wrote:[/b]

The banter at he beginning of Freddie saying, "I know he doesn't know it" I'm guessing "maybe" Silver Salmon was rehearsed before John Deacon joined the band. It could have been put on a back burner and forgotten. Possibly during the NOTW sessions they decided to salvage the song and introduce John to it. Just a thought...[/QUOTE]

Or, it's 1973 and John is the newbie unfamiliar with Silver Salmon?

Sheer Brass Neck,

Exactly.

Untill 2011 no-one ever claimed the KYA long lost retake was from 75.... hate to spoil the fun , but the SS is from 72-73 !Comes from the very same reel as PB

This is an interesting thread and one which will keep going forever until Greg Brooks pipes up and confirms one of the many theories.
I first heard this track back in 2001 (?) at Greg's very first archive session - a session which, as you all should know by now, was recorded by a member of the audience and leaked a year later under the highly amusing and ironic title of "Committing Robbery" (Robbery being one of the tracks played at said convention).
THIS recording, sadly, had Greg's banter between tracks edited out to make it more listenable as an 'album' as opposed to a historical record of an event, so I have only my faded/jaded memory to go by and that of any one else who may have been there at the time. MY memory tells me that Greg said it stemmed from the early 1970's.

However, the BIG question is this: is the nice clean "studio quality" version we've all heard the exact same recording as the one played at Convention? (I can't check as I don't have the convention recording to hand).
BUT, as GWAS has just stated, it was apparantly on the same reel as Polar Bear.
The other interesting thing is that it was played virtually back to back with another track called "Feelings" (NOT to be confused with Feelings, Feelings from the NOTW sessions) which was recorded during the exact same session almost straight after SS.
Sadly, "Feelings" has never surfaced in decent quality.

If they were on the same reel then that's one hell of a coincidence that they picked those same reels for a session 5 years later.

FFS, the song is from 1977. The drums, reverb, EQ, mixing, panning, EVERYTHING is absolutely identical to Feelings Feelings, which is from 1977. Never mind the obvious observation that Mercury's voice is way too developed for it to be anything earlier. I can't believe this is even being discussed, again..

And the Feelings jam is also from the same session. Same drum kit, same everything.

[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]

If they were on the same reel then that's one hell of a coincidence that they picked those same reels for a session 5 years later.

FFS, the song is from 1977. The drums, reverb, EQ, mixing, panning, EVERYTHING is absolutely identical to Feelings Feelings, which is from 1977. Never mind the obvious observation that Mercury's voice is way too developed for it to be anything earlier. I can't believe this is even being discussed, again..

And the Feelings jam is also from the same session. Same drum kit, same everything.[/QUOTE]


Interesting points but incorrect !

So what's your counter-evidence then?