[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]
No one--not Adam nor his "lusty" fans--have EVER said that Adam was doing Brian and Roger a favor! Both he and we are in total awe of Brian and Roger and the Queen legacy and consider it an amazing and awesome honor for Adam to be able to perform with them. I came to the other Queen site at the time of the European Music Awards in 2011 because I was so thrilled by this honor. It doesn't matter about sales, labels, etc. Adam will be fine and would have been fine with or without this tour. There is no guarantee that the tour will make a difference one way or the other for him. If it allows more people to know him, that will be a terrific boost for him. Really, the hyperbole has been mostly from the negative side than from the positive one!
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Don't think so about of that.
To know him? So I guess it's not about getting Queen's music out there after all. As usual you see AL, and not much else.
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[QUOTE] [b]YAFF wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
I'm sorry. I've seen some random 10 minutes of the first half, but I can't listen to him. I hate his screeching. Seriously HATE it. I can't really understand how can somebody TOLERATE it, and obviously there are people who LIKE it which is quite a shock.[/QUOTE]
what's more shocking is that there are bona fide Queen fans that are supporting this debacle. The guy has range but awful tone[/QUOTE]
Don't get me wrong. I have a deep respect to Adam's voice and his range, I seriously do. But I hate his high tones[/QUOTE]
I really know nothing about music (except what I like), but isn't Adam's "high tone" because he is a natural tenor which is somewhat rare in male opera singers? I don't know if this true or not.
[QUOTE] [b]taptap wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]YAFF wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]taptap wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]YAFF wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]taptap wrote:[/b]
And clearly touring with anyone doesn't actually work, since they had far fewer ticket sales during the QPR collaboration, so wrong again.
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Ah yes I figured you were going to trot that out. Different times. Different publicity and Live Nation. Queen + PR would have sold out much faster than with goat throat.
Again, and try to get your wee mind to comprehend this. If Adam doesn't draw much on his own how is he suddenly drawing now? Wake up wee one[/QUOTE]
Different times, different publicity? Srsly? It was still Queen in North America all in the last 8 years, wasn't it? Are you saying Queen just didn't know how to put on a selling show or how to get publicity during the QPR era? Because I'm not buying it.
The difference between QPR and QAL is Adam Lambert, pure and simple. No matter how much you don't like that fact, there it is.[/QUOTE]
Dream on. Live Nation didn't exist years ago. Few people even knew about the PR shows. This has already been covered elsewhere. Adam Lambert adds VERY LITTLE to 1/2 Queen's draw. Just compare his own concert ticket sales to this one. Common sense, which is something you Lambgoat zealots are in dire need of. Brian & Roger had the American Idol and other American TV programs his time. Wake up wee one[/QUOTE]
Except that Adam's tour stats are excellent.
And I'm sure Inu will be here any minute to lay down the even modly hand.
Any minute now...[/QUOTE]
What is your issue with inu liger all of a sudden? The other day you thanked him, and now this. It really doesn't take much for you to change your views about some people. Someone call you out on your crap, and this is the reaction?
[QUOTE] [b]someonewholikesadam wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]YAFF wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
I'm sorry. I've seen some random 10 minutes of the first half, but I can't listen to him. I hate his screeching. Seriously HATE it. I can't really understand how can somebody TOLERATE it, and obviously there are people who LIKE it which is quite a shock.[/QUOTE]
what's more shocking is that there are bona fide Queen fans that are supporting this debacle. The guy has range but awful tone[/QUOTE]
Don't get me wrong. I have a deep respect to Adam's voice and his range, I seriously do. But I hate his high tones[/QUOTE]
I really know nothing about music (except what I like), but isn't Adam's "high tone" because he is a natural tenor which is somewhat rare in male opera singers? I don't know if this true or not.[/QUOTE]
Adam's not an opera singer, though.
[QUOTE] [b]matt z wrote:[/b]
Wow a whole topic for me. I'm flattered.
You're welcome, Matt. And based on the number of hits this topic has gotten rather quickly, I reckon a whole lot of Queen fans are just ACHING to watch AL videos ;)
[QUOTE] [b]taptap wrote:[/b]
That makes perfect sense - except for one little thing: Adam isn't a small concert draw. [/QUOTE]
Oh yes he is!
[QUOTE]Adam's been headlining his own tours from the minute he started in the business, and almost always sells his venues out.. That's actually the opposite of a small concert draw.[/QUOTE]
Because the promoters won't take a risk (to date so far anyways) to book him for a solo arena based tour. He does not have the established record sale criteria to merit the financial risk. QUEEN are the reason he's even got the PRIVILEDGE to CO-headline (yes, CO-headline!) such a big tour in the first place.
Queen have their own reasons for placing faith in him and that's fine and all, it's their choice, BUT the fact is this tour IS a make-or-break as far as Adam Lambert's career goes, because this IS the biggest thing he has going for him post-Idol, and if this tour fails to revive his career in ALL aspects (and also inspire him into writing his OWN material primarily), then I'm sorry but it will become a case of We Told You So, Glamberts.
Queen won't really stand to lose much however in the long run however. They have cemented themselves enough in the public consciousness that even if this tour IS considered highly controversial, it will hardly make a significant dent in their popularity as time goes by, because Joe Public will still always fondly remember the classic "Freddie" Queen.
[QUOTE] [b]someonewholikesadam wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]matt z wrote:[/b]
Wow a whole topic for me. I'm flattered.
You're welcome, Matt. And based on the number of hits this topic has gotten rather quickly, I reckon a whole lot of Queen fans are just ACHING to watch AL videos ;)[/QUOTE]
lolol! Yeah, that's it! :P
[QUOTE] [b]inu-liger wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]taptap wrote:[/b]
That makes perfect sense - except for one little thing: Adam isn't a small concert draw. [/QUOTE]
Oh yes he is!
[QUOTE]Adam's been headlining his own tours from the minute he started in the business, and almost always sells his venues out.. That's actually the opposite of a small concert draw.[/QUOTE]
Because the promoters won't take a risk (to date so far anyways) to book him for a solo arena based tour. He does not have the established record sale criteria to merit the financial risk. QUEEN are the reason he's even got the PRIVILEDGE to CO-headline (yes, CO-headline!) such a big tour in the first place.
Queen have their own reasons for placing faith in him and that's fine and all, it's their choice, BUT the fact is this tour IS a make-or-break as far as Adam Lambert's career goes, because this IS the biggest thing he has going for him post-Idol, and if this tour fails to revive his career in ALL aspects (and also inspire him into writing his OWN material primarily), then I'm sorry but it will become a case of We Told You So, Glamberts.
Queen won't really stand to lose much however in the long run however. They have cemented themselves enough in the public consciousness that even if this tour IS considered highly controversial, it will hardly make a significant dent in their popularity as time goes by, because Joe Public will still always fondly remember the classic "Freddie" Queen.
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Of course he's not ready for an arena tour on his own yet - he's just 2 albums into his career. But the average venue during Era 2 was ~8000 seats sold. I think of the 30 a few were below 5000, and a few above 13,000. I think that's fantastic at this point in his career.
I never said the QAL sales are due to Adam alone. I fully believe that Queen is the big draw - just like they were with QPR. However, the fact that QAL is outselling QPR tells me that AL is a bigger draw than PR in North America. This makes perfect sense, as PR is not that well known in NA. Bad Company doesn't have the rep of Queen, and was never that big here.
And despite losing their momentum in NA long ago, Queen is still very well known here. They might not be considered one of the two best rock bands ever, as they are in Europe, but they are consistently in the top 10 or so.
As for Queen not risking their reputation with the QPR and QAL collaborations, I agree with that completely. Their legacy is firmly established - it's not going anywhere.
"Of course he's not ready for an arena tour on his own yet - he's just 2 albums into his career."
Poor excuse. If Lady Gaga can headline an arena tour BY 2 albums in solely on her merits, what's stopped/stopping Adam from doing the same?
OH, right, Lady Gaga actually WRITES her own stuff for the most part.
"I never said the QAL sales are due to Adam alone."
However, you guys are always spinning the facts to give Adam more credit for the draw than he deserves. I've yet to see Queen fans posting factually questionable sales spreadsheets ;)
[QUOTE] [b]inu-liger wrote:[/b]
"Of course he's not ready for an arena tour on his own yet - he's just 2 albums into his career."
Poor excuse. If Lady Gaga can headline an arena tour BY 2 albums in solely on her merits, what's stopped/stopping Adam from doing the same?
OH, right, Lady Gaga actually WRITES her own stuff for the most part.[/QUOTE]
So are you saying Adam should be doing as well as Lady Gaga? Who currently can outsell Queen?
[QUOTE] [b]inu-liger wrote:[/b]
"I never said the QAL sales are due to Adam alone."
However, you guys are always spinning the facts to give Adam more credit for the draw than he deserves. I've yet to see Queen fans posting factually questionable sales spreadsheets ;)[/QUOTE]
OR you guys are always trying hard to spin the facts the other way because you don't approve of 1/2 Queen + collabs.
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As strange as it may seem, I think there were some Queen fans who wanted to see the QAL sales tank and are disappointed in how well they're doing. Now that's weird.
[QUOTE] [b]someonewholikesadam wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]YAFF wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
I'm sorry. I've seen some random 10 minutes of the first half, but I can't listen to him. I hate his screeching. Seriously HATE it. I can't really understand how can somebody TOLERATE it, and obviously there are people who LIKE it which is quite a shock.[/QUOTE]
what's more shocking is that there are bona fide Queen fans that are supporting this debacle. The guy has range but awful tone[/QUOTE]
Don't get me wrong. I have a deep respect to Adam's voice and his range, I seriously do. But I hate his high tones[/QUOTE]
I really know nothing about music (except what I like), but isn't Adam's "high tone" because he is a natural tenor which is somewhat rare in male opera singers? I don't know if this true or not.[/QUOTE]
Like you, I, too, know nothing about music, but here is an interesting analysis of Adam's voice. There is a type of tenor he was said to be and now I can't find it:
http://www.divadevotee.com/2012/04/vocal-profile-adam-lambert.html
[QUOTE] [b]taptap wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]inu-liger wrote:[/b]
"Of course he's not ready for an arena tour on his own yet - he's just 2 albums into his career."
Poor excuse. If Lady Gaga can headline an arena tour BY 2 albums in solely on her merits, what's stopped/stopping Adam from doing the same?
OH, right, Lady Gaga actually WRITES her own stuff for the most part.[/QUOTE]
So are you saying Adam should be doing as well as Lady Gaga? Who currently can outsell Queen?[/QUOTE]
If I had said COULD, not "should," you'd be spot on. His problem is that he is surrounded by 'top 40' chart quality songwriters and not being encouraged to write his own songs, which is detrimental to his career, and the fact his former record company wanted his third album to be a covers album shows that he was not having his true potential exploited in the right direction; in other words he may as well have been taken advantage of.
Whether Queen will help guide him in that right direction will remain yet to be seen. Only time will tell.
[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]someonewholikesadam wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]YAFF wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
I'm sorry. I've seen some random 10 minutes of the first half, but I can't listen to him. I hate his screeching. Seriously HATE it. I can't really understand how can somebody TOLERATE it, and obviously there are people who LIKE it which is quite a shock.[/QUOTE]
what's more shocking is that there are bona fide Queen fans that are supporting this debacle. The guy has range but awful tone[/QUOTE]
Don't get me wrong. I have a deep respect to Adam's voice and his range, I seriously do. But I hate his high tones[/QUOTE]
I really know nothing about music (except what I like), but isn't Adam's "high tone" because he is a natural tenor which is somewhat rare in male opera singers? I don't know if this true or not.[/QUOTE]
Like you, I, too, know nothing about music, but here is an interesting analysis of Adam's voice. There is a type of tenor he was said to be and now I can't find it:
http://www.divadevotee.com/2012/04/vocal-profile-adam-lambert.html
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That's nice, and clearly the author is a fan, but people either like a voice or they don't, and both sides are legitimate in their taste. Who cares if some don't like his voice? As long as there are plenty that do, and the demand continues strong, as it has, he's fine.
