My thoughts on Adam Lambert+Queen plus welcome feedback.

[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]

I guess if you are a powerhouse singer you should just sing like a wimp according to some? LOL
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Who wants him to sing like a wimp? I can't imagine anyone wants that tbh. Brian and Roger like his powerhouse voice - that's why they chose him to front Queen and not someone else. And let's face it, Brian and Roger can pretty much have anyone they want, and as it turns out, that's Adam. What a full circle moment from his initial audition using Bohemian Rhapsody, to singing with Queen during the Finale, to fronting Queen now. It's a pretty amazing journey.

Okay, let's be honest. TapTap, Sweet Caroline and SWLA, you are fans of Adam Lambert. We get that. If you think Adam Lambert is anything but a fluffy pop singer, you're insane. Off the fucking map insane. Don't tell me Brian May thinks he's a rock singer so that's all that matters because Brian May is a God who also thinks that Kerry Ellis is a rock chick and no one's buying that. She's Adam Lambert's illegitimate Broadway singing sister so that makes Brian as insane as all of you as as she'nothing but a West End belter. Amazing voice(s)? YEs? Rock and roll voices? Pleeeezzzeeee.


Adam Lambert can hit notes but he is a vocal lightweight. All of your video posting won't change the fact he couldn't sing Dead on Time or It's Late or Stone Cold Crazy on the record without sounding like a karaoke singer. Love him all you want, but Jesus Fucking christ, get a grip on reality. He is no more a rock and roll singer than rockandrollover is the poet laureate of this board.

[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]

Okay, let's be honest. TapTap, Sweet Caroline and SWLA, you are fans of Adam Lambert. We get that. If you think Adam Lambert is anything but a fluffy pop singer, you're insane. Off the fucking map insane. Don't tell me Brian May thinks he's a rock singer so that's all that matters because Brian May is a God who also thinks that Kerry Ellis is a rock chick and no one's buying that. She's Adam Lambert's illegitimate Broadway singing sister so that makes Brian as insane as all of you as as she'nothing but a West End belter. Amazing voice(s)? YEs? Rock and roll voices? Pleeeezzzeeee.


Adam Lambert can hit notes but he is a vocal lightweight. All of your video posting won't change the fact he couldn't sing Dead on Time or It's Late or Stone Cold Crazy on the record without sounding like a karaoke singer. Love him all you want, but Jesus Fucking christ, get a grip on reality. He is no more a rock and roll singer than rockandrollover is the poet laureate of this board.[/QUOTE]

Oh I am definitely gonna go there. So you're saying your opinion trumps Brian May's and Roger Taylor's? We all have our own opinion based on our own taste, but come on, ours are irrelevant compared to Brian and Roger's. As long as the venues sell, then they've made the right choice. And the venues are selling, and not, believe it or not, all by ticket purchases of SC, SWLA, and me, but by tens of thousands of others not on this board.

I won't convince you otherwise, and you won't convince me, because while we have opinions, those are the facts, and they're looking very good right now. I'm pretty sure B&R are more than happy with the results and with Adam on the stage with them - they've made that clear.

So you can continue being sure he has no rock voice, I'll continue thinking he has. No big deal. If you're going to a concert this summer, I hope you enjoy the show - I know I will.

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I'm curious what you think of Roy Orbison's voice. His nickname was the Caruso of Rock. Do you think it's possible to mix an operatic-style voice like his with the genre of rock? Was Freddie's voice, in your opinion, operatic? Is KISS a true rock band with rock voices, to you? What about Bruce Springsteen and Paul R? Are their voices the epitome of the rock sound, or just one piece of it? Just trying to get a handle on what you think a rock voice is and is not.

Not trying in any way to compare Adam to Roy Orbison, Freddie Mercury, Bruce Springsteen or the guys in KISS, by the way, just using them as a sort of framework since they represent, to me four quite different sounds, all included (by many, at least) in the rock genre, even though they often were well known for other genres as well (like Roy Orbison and rockabilly, etc.).

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[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]

I guess if you are a powerhouse singer you should just sing like a wimp according to some? LOL
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Who wants him to sing like a wimp? I can't imagine anyone wants that tbh. Brian and Roger like his powerhouse voice - that's why they chose him to front Queen and not someone else. And let's face it, Brian and Roger can pretty much have anyone they want, and as it turns out, that's Adam. What a full circle moment from his initial audition using Bohemian Rhapsody, to singing with Queen during the Finale, to fronting Queen now. It's a pretty amazing journey.[/QUOTE]
A message from some God eh {sarcasm}

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[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]

Okay, let's be honest. TapTap, Sweet Caroline and SWLA, you are fans of Adam Lambert. We get that. If you think Adam Lambert is anything but a fluffy pop singer, you're insane. Off the fucking map insane. Don't tell me Brian May thinks he's a rock singer so that's all that matters because Brian May is a God who also thinks that Kerry Ellis is a rock chick and no one's buying that. She's Adam Lambert's illegitimate Broadway singing sister so that makes Brian as insane as all of you as as she'nothing but a West End belter. Amazing voice(s)? YEs? Rock and roll voices? Pleeeezzzeeee.


Adam Lambert can hit notes but he is a vocal lightweight. All of your video posting won't change the fact he couldn't sing Dead on Time or It's Late or Stone Cold Crazy on the record without sounding like a karaoke singer. Love him all you want, but Jesus Fucking christ, get a grip on reality. He is no more a rock and roll singer than rockandrollover is the poet laureate of this board.[/QUOTE]

So you're saying your opinion trumps Brian May's and Roger Taylor's? We all have our own opinion based on our own taste, but come on, ours are irrelevant compared to Brian and Roger's. As long as the venues sell, then they've made the right choice. And the venues are selling, and not, believe it or not, all by ticket purchases of I, SC, and SWLA, but by tens of thousands of others not on this board.

I won't convince you otherwise, and you won't convince me, because while we have opinions, those are the facts, and they're looking very good right now. I'm pretty sure B&R are more than happy with the results and with Adam on the stage with them - they've made that clear.

So you can continue being sure he has no rock voice, I'll continue thinking he has. No big deal. If you're going to a concert this summer, I hope you enjoy the show - I know I will.[/QUOTE]
I asked you this before, but you never did answer, guessing it's easier for you to pretend you don't read what I post. What is it that makes you think AL has a rock voice? His own music isn't what I'd call rock, and all the covers of other rock music doesn't prove to me he has a rock voice, let alone a good one.
As long as the venues sell you say. There's more to it than that.

[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]

Okay, let's be honest. TapTap, Sweet Caroline and SWLA, you are fans of Adam Lambert. We get that. If you think Adam Lambert is anything but a fluffy pop singer, you're insane. Off the fucking map insane. Don't tell me Brian May thinks he's a rock singer so that's all that matters because Brian May is a God who also thinks that Kerry Ellis is a rock chick and no one's buying that. She's Adam Lambert's illegitimate Broadway singing sister so that makes Brian as insane as all of you as as she'nothing but a West End belter. Amazing voice(s)? YEs? Rock and roll voices? Pleeeezzzeeee.


Adam Lambert can hit notes but he is a vocal lightweight. All of your video posting won't change the fact he couldn't sing Dead on Time or It's Late or Stone Cold Crazy on the record without sounding like a karaoke singer. Love him all you want, but Jesus Fucking christ, get a grip on reality. He is no more a rock and roll singer than rockandrollover is the poet laureate of this board.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you on every word here.

[QUOTE] [b]taptap wrote:[/b




Oh I am definitely gonna go there. Start going :)

So you're saying your opinion trumps Brian May's and Roger Taylor's?

Nope.

We all have our own opinion based on our own taste, but come on, ours are irrelevant compared to Brian and Roger's.

Agreed.

As long as the venues sell, then they've made the right choice.

No, no, and fucking no. THIS is where you don't get it. Queen were art until the 1980s, then had moments of art after that. Not all, but some Queen fans want a singer who can do justice to the catalogue, even if it's in a fifty seat hall. Adam Lamber has a beautiful voice, he can't sing rock and roll with any gravitas (see previous thread, Adam Lambert, sheep, gravitas, no record contract.)

:)

I won't convince you otherwise, and you won't convince me, because while we have opinions, those are the facts, and they're looking very good right now.

They're not fact, their opinions. Madonna had greater sales than Beethoven, therefore Madonna is greater than Beethoven? No, she's moved more units than Beethoven. what "facts" other than spurious concert sales figures and Brian and Roger saying they love Adam (they're salesmen looking to maximize their brand BTW) are actually facts? I'm pretty sure B&R are more than happy with the results and with Adam on the stage with them - they've made that clear.

So you can continue being sure he has no rock voice, I'll continue thinking he has. No big deal. If you're going to a concert this summer, I hope you enjoy the show - I know I will.

I hope, and sincerely hope you do have a fantastic time. I may go to hear Brian's guitar for the last time. But to think that's it's even close to what Queen is would be absurd. Adam Lambert is talented, whether I think he is or isn't or you think he is or in't is irrelevant. But as a rock singer who can do justice to Queen's catalogue? Whhooo boy that's a stretch.


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[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]taptap wrote:[/b




Oh I am definitely gonna go there. Start going :)

So you're saying your opinion trumps Brian May's and Roger Taylor's?

Nope.

We all have our own opinion based on our own taste, but come on, ours are irrelevant compared to Brian and Roger's.

Agreed.

As long as the venues sell, then they've made the right choice.

No, no, and fucking no. THIS is where you don't get it. Queen were art until the 1980s, then had moments of art after that. Not all, but some Queen fans want a singer who can do justice to the catalogue, even if it's in a fifty seat hall. Adam Lamber has a beautiful voice, he can't sing rock and roll with any gravitas (see previous thread, Adam Lambert, sheep, gravitas, no record contract.)

:)

I won't convince you otherwise, and you won't convince me, because while we have opinions, those are the facts, and they're looking very good right now.

They're not fact, their opinions. Madonna had greater sales than Beethoven, therefore Madonna is greater than Beethoven? No, she's moved more units than Beethoven. what "facts" other than spurious concert sales figures and Brian and Roger saying they love Adam (they're salesmen looking to maximize their brand BTW) are actually facts? I'm pretty sure B&R are more than happy with the results and with Adam on the stage with them - they've made that clear.

So you can continue being sure he has no rock voice, I'll continue thinking he has. No big deal. If you're going to a concert this summer, I hope you enjoy the show - I know I will.

I hope, and sincerely hope you do have a fantastic time. I may go to hear Brian's guitar for the last time. But to think that's it's even close to what Queen is would be absurd. Adam Lambert is talented, whether I think he is or isn't or you think he is or in't is irrelevant. But as a rock singer who can do justice to Queen's catalogue? Whhooo boy that's a stretch.


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I added a P.S. to my post at the bottom of page 1, and we crossed paths. If you get a chance will you look at it and tell me what you think?

Re the above, 'they're not facts, they're opinions' was the point I was making. You thinking that Adam doesn't have a rock voice is an opinion. Me thinking he does is an opinion. And you're absolutely right that in the greater scheme of things your opinion and my opinion is irrelevant. Arena venues selling 85%, 95% and sold out are facts, though, and not opinions. Adding extra sections, partially behind the stage, and adding additional concert dates, sometimes doubling up in cities are facts. They tell us something about demand - that it's high. Besides feeling that Adam is a good fit for them (which clearly Brian and Roger do believe), I don't know what other things would matter to them besides the actual sales figures. Those are what will make the tour a financial success or not, after all.

You've made it clear that you don't think he can do justice to the Queen catalog, and yet Brian and Roger of Queen thinks he can, or maybe they mean in the context of a particular setlist that works for him. I don't call that a conundrum, because they're never going to sing the whole of the Queen catalog, and I assume they'll choose a setlist that works for all of them.

It's clear that you're not on the same page as Brian and Roger, and that's fine, but it has to go into some sort of perspective. I'm not trying to imply that my taste in music is somehow superior to yours because it happens to parallel B&R's. Again I agree that my opinion is as irrelevant as yours (except as a point of discussion on forums like these).

eta: And no, I'd never try to compare classic Queen to QAL and QPR. I mean I could, but I don't see the point in that, and like I already said, if I had to put them in an order from best to worst, for me it's Queen>QAL>QPR. But that in no ways defines how or why I think Queen is better than QAL and QPR, or why I think QAL is better than QPR. That would be a lot of subjective opinion from me, for sure. Still, no, no one's going to trump classic Queen, not in my book, and I'm sure not in most of those attending the summer concerts. But outside of in recordings, classic Queen died with Freddie. This is a Queen+ project, and that's pretty much it.

I'm of the opinion that the Queen + projects don't affect Queen's reputation. Yes, among some fans it might, but sales made in the past can't be undone, tickets sold in the 80's are not affected by tickets sold now. I don't think anything short of some god-awful scandal could ever knock them off the rock pedestal they already inhabit. Just like Paul McCartney and Wings has no real impact on the historical reputation of the Beatles. Brian and Kerry? Shoot, I love Brian May, but I'm not the least interested in this pairing - that's just my one individual opinion of things. It has no reflection on my opinion of Queen (loved them), on QAL (love them) or on QPR (meh).

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Madonna vs Beethoven? Don't even go there (Beethoven wins hands down with me, but seriously, carrots and peas - big fucking carrots and itty-bitty peas).

Have I posted this lately .....

"Industry People Praising Adam Lambert"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKioTiYUGaE

[QUOTE] [b]SweetCaroline wrote:[/b]

Have I posted this lately .....

"Industry People Praising Adam Lambert"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKioTiYUGaE[/QUOTE]

You are wasting your time Sweet Caroline. It doesn't matter that Smokey Robinson, Brian May, Roger Taylor, Slash, Paula Abdul, Meatloaf, a opera buffs, about a couple million fans worldwide and on and on think that Adam Lambert is a fabulous talent. A few Queen fans on this site think all these people are wrong and they (the minority Queen fans) are right in saying that Adam is talentless and bleats like a sheep with no gravitas, blah, blah blah.

You can't open a closed mind.

[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]

(snip) Madonna had greater sales than Beethoven, therefore Madonna is greater than Beethoven? (snip)
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There is another point to the above that we haven't touched on. First of course there's the carrots and peas thing - Except in actual units sold there's no comparison between these two artists. And given the different eras, no real way to compare sales either. Of course what we do know is that Beethoven has endured for centuries, and that Madonna has endured for decades. Again, carrots and peas.

BUT however amazing and relevant I think Beethoven was and will probably always be to the world and history of music, it certainly doesn't mean I don't think there will be other great, enduring, and relevant classical composers. Or that even if Madonna is considered an icon of her generation, there won't be others in the same genre to follow. That would put me in the category of that German patent office clerk, who thought all great inventions had already been made and nothing was left out there. Elvis is already a legend, and will always have a place in history. Does that mean no one else will? Of course not.

Again, I don't by this mean to imply Adam could be the next Beethoven/Madonna/Elvis, just that I'm never going to think that one artist, one scientist, one poet, will ever represent the pinnacle of mankind. As long as mankind endures, these figures will come forth.

Maybe that's why it doesn't bother me that Queen does Queen+ projects, or maybe it's a combination of that philosophy plus the fact I was too young to experience Queen (and Freddie) first hand back in the 80's that leaves me open to that collaboration. Whatever it is, I'm generally open to new things, and of course it helps that I actually do love Adam's voice and performing style and think it works well with Brian and Roger's.

I bet even this cockatoo has a more open mind than some of the Queen fans on this forum.

I have a friend who was in the first row at this Toledo, Ohio Glam Nation concert in a very hot, sweaty venue and said this performance was mind blowing. Can't sing rock? Hmmm!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChMMO23NnyM

You can't argue with fanaticism. I'd often thought about comparing Adam to ms Ellis... voice wise at least. Yeah they're theater. .. musical theater. And as much as Roger had gone on record about his feelings towards "musical theater" ... Lambert is exactly that.


He has a great note range but his timbre is very feminine and faint. Of course he a DOES do one song justice. WWTLF ...


Anyways ... can't argue with a fanatic. You're always wrong. Worship is worship.


Case in point. .. several years ago I was riding a bus to a bar/diner near a book store and cinema (kill the afternoon) On the ride was a "man child" probably then several years older than me. He was debating ...nay INSISTING that Hulk Hogan could defeat a heavyweight champion any day of the week.


Never mind that they're apples and oranges and that Hulk Hogan's hey day was about 25 years prior. Nor that one is a dramatic form of acting with its own physical demands and the other is a controlled form of brutality. ...

... He just bought into the illusion and could not be moved.


They few witnesses there. ... we all had a great laugh.


Like I said. It is what it is. I just want to see Brian and Roger rock out.


Of course Adam Lambert isn't rock and roll.


He's like Pat Boone was to Little Richard

^^^

Yes, yes, yes.

Especially the last line :)