Yeah I agree with you and taptap. I think if they wanted to financially go for it they would and think they still could but to initially stick to the US with a singer who is well known in the states then it also points to one of those reasons. Id never actually heard of A.L before although I do know now some background on him. He was much better known in the states with already a big US fanbase,well bigger than in europe anyway.
@sweetcaroline
How many times will that be posted here? It was dozens of times on QOL. I guess we are supposed to fawn over AL because of that video? No thanks. All it's proving is the promotion of the guy. You don't even know if you posted it lately.
Go feck yourself. I'm not posting here for you!
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Go feck yourself. I'm not posting here for you!
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True colors show again. In case you missed it the thread is clearly stated feedback wanted...yet your usual posting the same old videos/links etc. Do you have to search that out or have it at the ready? Because unless you are bitching about me, I think you cannot come up with anything of your own to add at the discussions. Just what are you hoping for in all the vids/articles/links you are copying here? Dang, you are even copying and pasting posts straight from Amazon. LOL
Who said you were posting here for me, although you threw and still continue to post shit about me. It seems like your sole reason here is to promote AL seeing as you cannot on QOL. Is there not an AL board you can do that on?
Do you two always try and score points? You need seperating. Lol
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Do you two always try and score points? You need seperating. Lol[/QUOTE]
She relies on other people's words time and time again in trying to make her points. You notice how very little she has to say for herself instead just post tweets/links/videos etc.
Of course she will come out with that I stalked/followed her here from QOL. Her main reason to be here now is to spam about the guy. Before that it was to whine about a month long ban from QOL.
I cant comment and dont really know you all well enough on here as yet but its a shame on a good forum like this that people do do that though.
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I cant comment and dont really know you all well enough on here as yet but its a shame on a good forum like this that people do do that though.[/QUOTE]
Sorry about this, but she is a mental case who doesn't have a life other than these Queen forums and bashing Adam Lambert every chance she gets. It's truly pathetic. Sorry if I offended you or anyone else. I'll go back to ignore mode (ignoring the pathetic troll). She has been the cause of many people getting banned on the other Queen site, some permanently!
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[QUOTE] [b]barnsleybob wrote:[/b]
I cant comment and dont really know you all well enough on here as yet but its a shame on a good forum like this that people do do that though.[/QUOTE]
Sorry about this, but she is a mental case who doesn't have a life other than these Queen forums and bashing Adam Lambert every chance she gets. It's truly pathetic. Sorry if I offended you or anyone else. I'll go back to ignore mode (ignoring the pathetic troll). She has been the cause of many people getting banned on the other Queen site, some permanently!
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Wait a sec. You blame me for your ban, and now you are saying cause of many others being banned? How am I the cause of that, and how do you know?
You are pathetic, lying, and deluded. Prove it if you have info about me being the cause of other people's bans.
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[b]SweetCaroline wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]barnsleybob wrote:[/b]
I cant comment and dont really know you all well enough on here as yet but its a shame on a good forum like this that people do do that though.[/QUOTE]
Sorry about this, but she is a mental case who doesn't have a life other than these Queen forums and bashing Adam Lambert every chance she gets. It's truly pathetic. Sorry if I offended you or anyone else. I'll go back to ignore mode (ignoring the pathetic troll). She has been the cause of many people getting banned on the other Queen site, some permanently!
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Look on the bright side - at least we don't have to claim her as a glambert! OMG can you imagine?! lolol!
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[b]SweetCaroline wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]barnsleybob wrote:[/b]
I cant comment and dont really know you all well enough on here as yet but its a shame on a good forum like this that people do do that though.[/QUOTE]
Sorry about this, but she is a mental case who doesn't have a life other than these Queen forums and bashing Adam Lambert every chance she gets. It's truly pathetic. Sorry if I offended you or anyone else. I'll go back to ignore mode (ignoring the pathetic troll). She has been the cause of many people getting banned on the other Queen site, some permanently!
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Look on the bright side - at least we don't have to claim her as a glambert! OMG can you imagine?! lolol![/QUOTE]
If the total bullshit you post about me are any indication of what is needed/wanted to be a Glambert, I'm prouder than ever not to be classed as one.
When you both go into a rage/rant when you don't get your own way, that's when true colors of you both are shown.
So no, it's said I'm the cause of not only one ban, but more bans on QOL. Again not true.
Still waiting sweetcaroline, for the proof I'm the cause of even more bans on QOL.
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[b]barnsleybob wrote: [/b] Yeah its probably a combination of a few things. Brian was doing a few small scoutic sets with a singer called Kerry Ellis. Ive never actually heard of her but they were to a very small audience.
I still think they probably still get that buzz from it also. Like you say he is worth many millions and its not as if he need the cash. I think there might be some genuine reasons for them still touring as well as other reason you mentioned. I suppose on the flip side im their album sales are still taking care of themselves. I read that that Freddie is worth three times as much as he was worth in 91. Same will apply for BM and RT.
Its a hard one to really get an answer from speculation I guess.[/QUOTE]
When Elvis died he was almost broke, or at least he was spending every available cent that hadn't been stolen by his agent (which was a lot, as it turns out). Luckily his will left everything to his young daughter, Lisa Marie, and the mgmt. of his estate and LM's trust to his ex-wife Priscilla. Once it was out of Elvis's and his manager's hands, she rebuilt that fortune into something massive by careful accounting and licensing of copyright, etc. I think LM gained the trust when she was 25 (30?) and her mom took very good care to make sure it was huge when she got it. I'm sure it's PP who can also be credited, at least in good part, with managing Elvis's brand and making him even more of an iconic figure after death than he was when he was alive. Those last years of his life were sad, with the young Elvis/old Elvis comparisons, of youth and vigor contrasted by dissipation and abused health.
It seems that Freddie's manager (and Queen's) not only manages his estate, but all his copyright issues as well, and is a very important part of whatever Brian and Roger do under the Queen banner, as is John Deacon (although it sounds like he interacts with the others via a representative).
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[b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote: [/b] ^^^
Yes, yes, yes.
Especially the last line :)[/QUOTE]
Matt's last line was: 'He's like Pat Boone was to Little Richard.'
I'm curious about something. Why do you think Brian and Roger want a Pat Boone-like voice fronting for Queen? Why didn't they go after a Little Richard-like voice instead? (I mean in relation to what Queen was with Freddie, not the literal Pat Boone and Little Richard, of course).[/QUOTE]
Hi taptap. I like you, and I like Sweet Caroline and I absolutely adore SWLA so I will "try" to give the 3 of you some education on Queen and America and the band's history while answering your question, which, to be honest, is incredibly complex.
Simple answer? Paul Rodgers = Little Richard. Adam Lambert = Pat Boone. Paul Rodgers has heft and gravitas (that word again) that purists love. Totally unsuitable for the Queen catalogue though. Adam Lambert is pleasing, unthreatening and more than anything, a known commodity in today's world. Paul Rodgers is a rock and roll giant. Adam Lambert is unknown in the world of rock and roll, a pop guy with undisputed talent, but none of the people all of you say love AL (Smokey Robinson, Nile Rodgers et al) are even remotely connected to rock and roll. He's a pop singer who does cover versions. But, and this is a big but, I think Brian's final wish is to "regain" America, which Queen lost in the early 80s.
America is the promised land to Brian. Paul Rodgers couldn't deliver an audience in America, Adam Lambert and his fan base can. It's a relationship based on using one another. I'm sure they love Adam, and why not? But if they're honest, and the record shows all Brian, Roger and QP wants since Freddie's death are sales, they have to know that Adam Lambert can't deliver a rock show but he can pull in an equal or greater amount of fans than Brian and Roger can. So for ego, fulfilment of a dream AL is the guy they hang their hat on. He's a broadway belter with a great voice. If you believe he can sing rock and roll that's great. I think he's got a wonderful voice so I'm not a hater, but I just don't see him as a viable rock singer.
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[b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]taptap wrote:[/b]
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[b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote: [/b] ^^^
Yes, yes, yes.
Especially the last line :)[/QUOTE]
Matt's last line was: 'He's like Pat Boone was to Little Richard.'
I'm curious about something. Why do you think Brian and Roger want a Pat Boone-like voice fronting for Queen? Why didn't they go after a Little Richard-like voice instead? (I mean in relation to what Queen was with Freddie, not the literal Pat Boone and Little Richard, of course).[/QUOTE]
Hi taptap. I like you, and I like Sweet Caroline and I absolutely adore SWLA so I will "try" to give the 3 of you some education on Queen and America and the band's history while answering your question, which, to be honest, is incredibly complex.
Simple answer? Paul Rodgers = Little Richard. Adam Lambert = Pat Boone. Paul Rodgers has heft and gravitas (that word again) that purists love. Totally unsuitable for the Queen catalogue though. Adam Lambert is pleasing, unthreatening and more than anything, a known commodity in today's world. Paul Rodgers is a rock and roll giant. Adam Lambert is unknown in the world of rock and roll, a pop guy with undisputed talent, but none of the people all of you say love AL (Smokey Robinson, Nile Rodgers et al) are even remotely connected to rock and roll. He's a pop singer who does cover versions. But, and this is a big but, I think Brian's final wish is to "regain" America, which Queen lost in the early 80s.
America is the promised land to Brian. Paul Rodgers couldn't deliver an audience in America, Adam Lambert and his fan base can. It's a relationship based on using one another. I'm sure they love Adam, and why not? But if they're honest, and the record shows all Brian, Roger and QP wants since Freddie's death are sales, they have to know that Adam Lambert can't deliver a rock show but he can pull in an equal or greater amount of fans than Brian and Roger can. So for ego, fulfilment of a dream AL is the guy they hang their hat on. He's a broadway belter with a great voice. If you believe he can sing rock and roll that's great. I think he's got a wonderful voice so I'm not a hater, but I just don't see him as a viable rock singer.
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Thanks. There's a lot of debate among Adam fans as to whether they prefer him singing pop, rock, or even show tunes. And there are some fans that would have loved him to do the RCA 80's cover albums, believe it or not. The fanbase for AL is far from monolithic in their preferences where he is concerned. Me personally, I like his pop music, but especially live, when he tends to do a more rock version of it. I suppose that means I think he's got a good (enough) rock voice. I like his voice with funk, and I think I like it as much for the campy style he brings to that genre, as his voice. I loved when he sings blues (A Change is Gonna Come was among my favorites when he was on Idol) but unfortunately I don't think there's a commercial market for that right now, and I do think he has to think about being commercial.
It does amaze me, in some ways, that B&R picked him to break into the US market, when many of his fans believe that's actually his weakest market. He's done very, very well in Asia, both in terms of filling big venues and getting sponsorship deals. And his fanbase there and in Europe seems quite a bit younger, on average, than here, which is probably due to the residual American Idol fanbase (that show drew an 18-49 demo during it's first six seasons, but the younger viewers started loosing interest around season 5 or 6 and the older viewers started ageing out of the demo, so his original fanbase, like all Idol contestants, was older inside the Idol bubble. Luckily, he's one of the few from Idol who has broken out of the AI bubble to gain not just an international fanbase, but a quite diverse and esp. young one - but that's still more true outside the US than inside it. I think after his stint on Glee, he's gained quite a few younger fans here now, but that's very recent. Anyway, I'm glad B&R chose him.
