Who are "they"? Is American Idol a show where AL was a participant, or should I say a story line whom "they" have a vested interest in promoting? Idol is scripted, formulaic television which AL was perfect for. I've yet to see one of his defenders answer why a guy who has all this talent, charisma, is a star of TV, stage and fronting Queen doesn't have a record contract after his previous album debuted at #1 in the US? "I" might say that he's all hype. "You" might say that he's being selective in protecting his career and wants to make the right decision. "They" might have looked at the fact that once his fan base bought the second album when it came out sales plummeted, so his support as an artist is based on singing covers, so if "they" ever want to make money off of him then they need to promote him as a cover singer (which he is in all honesty) because his original songs have no audience. So "they" don't believe he is a good fit as a recording artist at this point in time unless it's karaoke stuff which the masses will recognize. You love him, I get it, but he can't sing rock and roll with any conviction. IMHO.
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Who are "they"? Is American Idol a show where AL was a participant, or should I say a story line whom "they" have a vested interest in promoting? Idol is scripted, formulaic television which AL was perfect for. I've yet to see one of his defenders answer why a guy who has all this talent, charisma, is a star of TV, stage and fronting Queen doesn't have a record contract after his previous album debuted at #1 in the US? "I" might say that he's all hype. "You" might say that he's being selective in protecting his career and wants to make the right decision. "They" might have looked at the fact that once his fan base bought the second album when it came out sales plummeted, so his support as an artist is based on singing covers, so if "they" ever want to make money off of him then they need to promote him as a cover singer (which he is in all honesty) because his original songs have no audience. So "they" don't believe he is a good fit as a recording artist at this point in time unless it's karaoke stuff which the masses will recognize. You love him, I get it, but he can't sing rock and roll with any conviction. IMHO. [/QUOTE]
All good points! We're hoping he does have another record contract since he is working on album #3.
Regarding Adam's "Trespassing" album, the single selected by RCA, "Better Than I Know Myself," was not HIS original music and he was forced to include a Bruno Mars song, "Never Close Our Eyes" which barely became the second single with very little promotion. Two years ago when this album was released it was not a good thing to be out and proud like Adam has been. Things are changing rapidly now, but unless you were an apologetic gay man like Frank Ocean or like Tyler Glenn is now, the conservative radio stations did not want to play his music.
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[b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote: [/b] Who are "they"? Is American Idol a show where AL was a participant, or should I say a story line whom "they" have a vested interest in promoting? Idol is scripted, formulaic television which AL was perfect for. I've yet to see one of his defenders answer why a guy who has all this talent, charisma, is a star of TV, stage and fronting Queen doesn't have a record contract after his previous album debuted at #1 in the US? "I" might say that he's all hype. "You" might say that he's being selective in protecting his career and wants to make the right decision. "They" might have looked at the fact that once his fan base bought the second album when it came out sales plummeted, so his support as an artist is based on singing covers, so if "they" ever want to make money off of him then they need to promote him as a cover singer (which he is in all honesty) because his original songs have no audience. So "they" don't believe he is a good fit as a recording artist at this point in time unless it's karaoke stuff which the masses will recognize. You love him, I get it, but he can't sing rock and roll with any conviction. IMHO.[/QUOTE]
He had a record contract for his first two albums, and no doubt he has one now, getting ready for this 3rd album with Max Martin, because Max only works on label-backed projects I don't expect you to agree with me, but since the proof's in the pudding, I have no problem waiting till the 3rd albums out. Then we'll all know. And frankly given how much money he makes touring, the label issue is really irrelevant to me. If he were like the dozens of other non-successful Idol alum it would be a great big deal, but he's done very well and continues to do very well, regardless of his label status. I get that for you that's a marker of some sort, but it seems pretty clear that it doesn't have much of an impact on his ability to continue being in demand - by Queen, by tour, by corporate and one-offs (where his fee is among the first and second tier artists, at $450-$750K per one-off. The whole point of radio and label is to make revenues on whatever he's selling, be it performances or CD, and he's doing it. It's not carrots and peas in this instance, it's steak and peas, and he definitely is bringing home the steak. In light of that, to worry about 'How' he's bringing home the steak, well those are the itty bitty peas to me. But again, you'll believe what you want, while I and his fans watch him doing exactly what he wants and making good bank while he does. That spells success to me.
taptap, speaking of Idol, I was thinking about last Season (12) when a very talented Angie Miller came in third (see her amazing duet with Adam at the finale, below) who I don't think has been able to get a record contract. I can't remember who came in second and Candace Glover, the winner, has been struggling I believe in sales for her album which was delayed a whole year before coming out this year. Here is the Angie/Adam duet which received many accolades at the time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6KdTQc1I5A
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[b]SweetCaroline wrote: [/b] taptap, speaking of Idol, I was thinking about last Season (12) when a very talented Angie Miller came in third (see her amazing duet with Adam at the finale, below) who I don't think has been able to get a record contract. I can't remember who came in second and Candace Glover, the winner, has been struggling I believe in sales for her album which was delayed a whole year before coming out this year. Here is the Angie/Adam duet which received many accolades at the time:
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6KdTQc1I5A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6KdTQc1I5A[/url]
[/QUOTE] I watched the duet Adam did with Angie at the end of her season, and that was it. Outside of a few rare moments like that, I haven't watched the show since the 8th season. A talent show like Idol, Star Search, the Voice, etc. is pretty dependable; each year there will be one winner, but only a few stars will actually be found over the course of many years. Most of the contestants are not commercial on these shows, and certainly that's true of Idol in the last few years, when the viewers have aged into the non-music buying public. It doesn't matter how much they like an artist, that artist is not likely to be successful in the music industry, because that industry is predicated on young buyers, not older people who simply like a personality and who's taste in music is not the same as the desired demo of the industry.
The only break-out stars from Idol who have made it out of the bubble to gain mainstream success are, imo, Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, Adam and Daughtry. There are smaller success stories (and actually quite a few of them), like Kelli Pickler in country, Mandisa in Christian, A few who've made the transition to Broadway, like Diane Degarmo, and probably Taylor Hicks, through pure hard work in a field that most Idols don't go for. But big successes? IMO, it's just those four, five if you include JHUD, and it's hard to compare the circumstances there. Certainly the odds of getting the opportunity she did in Dream Girls, which resulted in an Oscar, would have been greatly diminished without the exposure she had on AI, so she's certainly a big success story for them in that regard.
I agree with Brian wrt these talent shows - the shows are tedious and verge on (and often well over the line) of the unethical or at least unappealing, but every now and then a gem is found. Like Brian, I don't confound the show with the contestants. And to end on a tidbit of delicious irony and fun, Elvis entered a singing contest very early in his career. He came in second.
Which one-off gigs has Adam Lambert played where he's commanded a fee of $450-$750K? That's a lot of money for be gig? Whos paid that for him?
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[b]EDWOOD wrote: [/b] Which one-off gigs has Adam Lambert played where he's commanded a fee of $450-$750K? That's a lot of money for be gig? Whos paid that for him?
[b]taptap wrote:[/b] This is his stated fee range for international corporate gigs, and he's played quite a few. Individually we don't have contract info, but rarely ever do the promotional lists have misleading info on them to an artist's range. It does them no favors to overestimate their demand. When he started it was a lot lower, closer to $50K in the US and $150K internationally, but now it's in the $250-450K range for US, and $450-750K Internationally. This is why I said it was surprising that some Queen fans think B&R chose Adam because of his demand in the US. It is large and growing, and he's played a few arena venues here, but most of them are in the 3000-6000 capacity range right now. It's in his international gigs where his demand jumps up very high. Even during the Trespassing non-tour tour, he sold out ~10 arenas, and several other smaller but still big venues, and most of them were for one-off corporate gigs, which were no doubt negotiated somewhere in his stated performance list range. Those are kept by management companies who market artists to promoters of various venues, and are split between domestic and international fees. You can find just about any performing artist on one or more of these lists This is why the Forbe's List shows his last cycles income at $5M when he only did a handful of gigs.[/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]
For example, Adam just played a private concert for a billionaire's daughter's sweet 16 bd party. The party planner said it was a $500K event, and I'm pretty sure the artists was the lion's share of that - and that was in the US. He's playing another gig tonight in Montana with Bruno Mars, and I'm sure that will be a very nicely compensated gig as well.
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
Who are "they"? Is American Idol a show where AL was a participant, or should I say a story line whom "they" have a vested interest in promoting? Idol is scripted, formulaic television which AL was perfect for. I've yet to see one of his defenders answer why a guy who has all this talent, charisma, is a star of TV, stage and fronting Queen doesn't have a record contract after his previous album debuted at #1 in the US? "I" might say that he's all hype. "You" might say that he's being selective in protecting his career and wants to make the right decision. "They" might have looked at the fact that once his fan base bought the second album when it came out sales plummeted, so his support as an artist is based on singing covers, so if "they" ever want to make money off of him then they need to promote him as a cover singer (which he is in all honesty) because his original songs have no audience. So "they" don't believe he is a good fit as a recording artist at this point in time unless it's karaoke stuff which the masses will recognize. You love him, I get it, but he can't sing rock and roll with any conviction. IMHO. [/QUOTE]
I agree with your post again, Doing all these covers is no way to make a lasting career IMO.
Does he have a record company now? I honestly don't know. He must break free from the covers, AI, if he ever wants to broaden his scope. I really think he is playing it safe and too much of a copycat. Of course this is IMO.
It's like what some do here, and did on QOL. Post the cover songs and focus very little on his own music.
And they wonder why he was/is called a cover singer.
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[b]taptap wrote: [/b] [QUOTE]
[b]EDWOOD wrote: [/b] Which one-off gigs has Adam Lambert played where he's commanded a fee of $450-$750K? That's a lot of money for be gig? Whos paid that for him?
[b]taptap wrote:[/b] This is his stated fee range for international corporate gigs, and he's played quite a few. Individually we don't have contract info, but rarely ever do the promotional lists have misleading info on them to an artist's range. It does them no favors to overestimate their demand. When he started it was a lot lower, closer to $50K in the US and $150K internationally, but now it's in the $250-450K range for US, and $450-750K Internationally. This is why I said it was surprising that some Queen fans think B&R chose Adam because of his demand in the US. It is large and growing, and he's played a few arena venues here, but most of them are in the 3000-6000 capacity range right now. It's in his international gigs where his demand jumps up very high. Even during the Trespassing non-tour tour, he sold out ~10 arenas, and several other smaller but still big venues, and most of them were for one-off corporate gigs, which were no doubt negotiated somewhere in his stated performance list range. Those are kept by management companies who market artists to promoters of various venues, and are split between domestic and international fees. You can find just about any performing artist on one or more of these lists This is why the Forbe's List shows his last cycles income at $5M when he only did a handful of gigs.[/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]
For example, Adam just played a private concert for a billionaire's daughter's sweet 16 bd party. The party planner said it was a $500K event, and I'm pretty sure the artists was the lion's share of that - and that was in the US. He's playing another gig tonight in Montana with Bruno Mars, and I'm sure that will be a very nicely compensated gig as well.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure the artists was the lion's share of that because the party planner said it was a $500K event you said. Anything to back that up?
Wow, impressive...Not. Birthday party appearance weeks before the shows with Brian and Roger.
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[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
Who are "they"? Is American Idol a show where AL was a participant, or should I say a story line whom "they" have a vested interest in promoting? Idol is scripted, formulaic television which AL was perfect for. I've yet to see one of his defenders answer why a guy who has all this talent, charisma, is a star of TV, stage and fronting Queen doesn't have a record contract after his previous album debuted at #1 in the US? "I" might say that he's all hype. "You" might say that he's being selective in protecting his career and wants to make the right decision. "They" might have looked at the fact that once his fan base bought the second album when it came out sales plummeted, so his support as an artist is based on singing covers, so if "they" ever want to make money off of him then they need to promote him as a cover singer (which he is in all honesty) because his original songs have no audience. So "they" don't believe he is a good fit as a recording artist at this point in time unless it's karaoke stuff which the masses will recognize. You love him, I get it, but he can't sing rock and roll with any conviction. IMHO. [/QUOTE]
All good points! We're hoping he does have another record contract since he is working on album #3.
Regarding Adam's "Trespassing" album, the single selected by RCA, "Better Than I Know Myself," was not HIS original music and he was forced to include a Bruno Mars song, "Never Close Our Eyes" which barely became the second single with very little promotion. Two years ago when this album was released it was not a good thing to be out and proud like Adam has been. Things are changing rapidly now, but unless you were an apologetic gay man like Frank Ocean or like Tyler Glenn is now, the conservative radio stations did not want to play his music.
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He was forced to include a song? LOL.
2 years ago when this album was released it was not a good thing to be out and proud like Adam has been you say. I mean you do know there are more acts that are gay than AL. Those careers were/are still doing well, Frank Ocean is proof of that.
You make it seem AL has had it so hard. People like Freddie, Elton John and many more broke those barriers down.
Poor Bruno Mars, forced to play at private party gigs. He's so passe...
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Poor Bruno Mars, forced to play at private party gigs. He's so passe...[/QUOTE]
I wasn't talking about Bruno Mars, were you?
Poor AL and the fans who get "excited" over him appearing at a birthday party and post about it on the net? I honestly expect more of appearances of that nature when the upcoming tour is over.
Good to know you don't have the figures/facts to back up what you think he got paid. Then again, I know you wouldn't, you are trying to make him look bigger than he really is.
Poor mithril/taptap.
Poor icy black velvet -- still has poor reading comprehension skills! Repeats what others say but doesn't get what they are saying!
Adam performing in Montana:
http://twitter.com/toriuhh/status/460256873216630784/photo/1
http://distilleryimage8.s3.amazonaws.com/d8b3d7eccdba11e39e400002c9dd6de8_8.jpg
http://twitter.com/GlamDianee/status/460309499354820608/photo/1
http://t.co/VrYWo6zHX1
"Chokehold"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=x8jB4gNq6AY&app=desktop
