Why is Body Language so reviled?

Hot Space was just Queen messing around with "new sounds" and although it does not sound like a regular Queen album
i am still fond of the album.
Lets face it we do not want all Queen albums to sound the same do we?
I am a ardent Queen fan of 40 years and the only 2 albums i am not keen on are "Innuendo" & " Made in Heaven"
the rest i love and treasure.

[QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]Hot Space was just Queen messing around with "new sounds" and although it does not sound like a regular Queen album
i am still fond of the album.
I am a ardent Queen fan of 40 years and the only 2 albums i am not keen on are "Innuendo" & " Made in Heaven"
the rest i love and treasure.
[/QUOTE] well most fans will have a couple of albums they don't like - only stepfords like everything.
the "dislike" category gives rise to proper debate.
My dislikes are Hot Space, Works & Magic....it's all very lazy song-writing and even lazier musicianship.

I think the only thing that almost all queen fans agree on is that the first five albums are gems.

yeah but to be fair Queen were expanding and experimenting after the first 5 albums,
They had to change with what was happening around them to stay 2 steps ahead of every body.
i think they done a fine job with most of there albums.
i will excuse innuendo as not one of favourites because fred was very ill and the band allowed him to sing anything
which was understandable and kept freddies moral up at the time.
The last decent Queen album in my opinion was "The Works" because it had a wide selection of musical styles on it and
it had 4 great singles taken from it. "Radio ga ga" "I want to break free" "Its a hard life" & " Hammer to fall".
The promotional film for " Hammer to fall" was brilliant and freddie looked amazing in his white/black lightning leotard.
classic Queen!

Body Language is not bad in my opinion,it goes with the funk and dance sound that Freddie choose for this record,and I say only Freddie cause as Brian and Roger told in Days of our lives,and made it clear to me that this record reflected totally Freddie's personal life at this moment,fun all the way,and leave music a bit behind.And that video...can't call it sexy,maybe back then it was

It's the rotting corpse of an unknown animal in an alternate reality novel that no one has ever read ...

Holly: i get it you do not like "Hot Space" but it was top 10
in the album charts here back in 1982.
Give it another spin, its not all bad darling!

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[b]gerry wrote: [/b]
Give it another spin, its not all bad darling![/QUOTE]

Exactly Gerry, please give Innuendo another spin. It is not nearly as bad as you make it, perhaps with an exception of Delilah. Yes, it might be dark and bitter for you and Freddie was ill, but that does not mean it was Queen's worst album.

[QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]

Holly: i get it you do not like "Hot Space" but it was top 10
in the album charts here back in 1982.
Give it another spin, its not all bad darling![/QUOTE]

Gerry, chart position is not a reason. if it were that would mean that these would ALL be good albums:-
Britney Spears - Baby One More Time (no4)
Steps - Steptacular (no1)
Shakin' Stevens - Shaky (no1)

Well i disagree with you Brenski.
We had an album chart to let everyone know what was popular at the time,
and as such this reflected the artists sales figures.
You can not compare Queens "Hot space" to the likes of Steps or Britney because as time as gone by
album sales have got hyped and not to mention digital downloads and all that crap these days.
True sales figures were just that in the 50s 60s 70s & 80s. as good old vinyl records were the original
and truest way to calculate an artists sales figures and it was a more fairer system.

Dancer is the worst song on Hot Space. Brian May should not attempt to write *dance* music, imo. Body Language is actually pretty cool.

[QUOTE] [b]PrimeJiveUSA wrote:[/b]

Dancer is the worst song on Hot Space. Brian May should not attempt to write *dance* music, imo. Body Language is actually pretty cool.[/QUOTE]

i agree with your first sentence, but add that Body language runs it close...as does five other tracks

Put Out The Fire is the track from Hot Space I always skip. That, and Body Language. Oh, and Action This Day too. Las Palabras de Amor isn't the worst thing ever, but it's always reminded me of something you'd hear in the Euro-vision song contest.
Many of the other tracks are just okay, or not that bad, as far as I'm concerned. Dancer and Backchat haven't aged well, but they're catchy. Calling All Girls is kinda average. But again, even that one sounds a bit too 1982 euro-pop for my liking.
Cool Cat and Life Is Real are kinda nice. Under pressure's the highlight of course. Staying Power is great (though again, it would be better it had a more up to date backing, but then I'm judging it by today's standards).
I think you've gotta give it to 'em for trying something new at the time (even though half of the band weren't really into it - and I'm only talking about half of the album).
Hot Space is a far cry from the likes of Sheer Heart Attack, but if you judge Hot Space on its own merits rather than compare it to Queens other albums, it's not as bad as some make out.
Despite what was going on with the band at the time, it does come over as fun record.

But if, however, I was to compare it with Innuendo. Well, there's no comparison. Innuendo is a better album by far. The title track alone blows everything on Hot Space out of the water.

you say innuendo is better well that is because Queen are back doing what they are best known for
Rock ballads with twists and turns going in all directions, a bit like Bohemian Rhapsody.
Hot Space was just an experiment but like freddie says its only a bloody record, people get so excited about these things
and slagging them off. i just take the album as another Queen avenue that has been explored - simples.

I said Innuendo is a better album chiefly because of the songwriting, not because it's Queen getting back to rock, or whatever. If a group does something different and it works then all the more power to them. Besides, it's the rockier numbers on Hot Space that I tend to skip, as I mentioned above (Put Out The Fire and Action This Day, though Body Language too).
To counter your argument about why I said what I did, for example, U2's album Pop is regarded as their experimental moment (though many regard it as their worst album, much in the same way Queen fans do with Hot space), but personally, I'd put Pop in front of all of U2's other albums that've come since - more rock orientated - the albums that were more in tune with what they usually did. So no, my opinion isn't based on a group (be it Queen, or U2) getting back to what they're known for.
I'm not sure why you're bringing up the Freddie quote, I've already said I think you've gotta give it to 'em (Queen) for trying something new at the time.
I agree with the last part of what you said though, about "just take the album as another Queen avenue that has been explored."

[QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]
Many fans are narrow minded and dismiss this great track but dont take it seriously its just Queen
keeping Freddie happy lol[/QUOTE]well if this is true and "they" were just keeping Freddie happy, then that means 75% of queen didn't like it, which means 75% of queen don't consider it the great track that you do.

[QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]Well i disagree with you Brenski.We had an album chart to let everyone know what was popular at the time,
and as such this reflected the artists sales figures.
You can not compare Queens "Hot space" to the likes of Steps or Britney because as time as gone by
album sales have got hyped and not to mention digital downloads and all that crap these days.
True sales figures were just that in the 50s 60s 70s & 80s. as good old vinyl records were the original
and truest way to calculate an artists sales figures and it was a more fairer system.
[/QUOTE]you do realise how silly that sounds? so you are saying 1,000, 000 sales in the 70/80s is better than 1,000,000 sales in the 90/00s ?
you are sounding like my grandparents used to sound...."oh it's not as good as it was back then" - this is just the halcyon-rose-tinted rubbish we are ALL guilty of from time to time, but it's rubbish nonetheless.
1,000,000 sales = 1,000,000 sales therefore (from a purely sales point of view) are equally good.
from a "grandparent" point of view - the argument is subjective. one generation doesn't like the music of the next...that's normal - but it doesn't make it all crap.

there were as many one-hit wonders, manufactured hits and general bollocks in each of the 60s, 70s, 80s as there were in the 90s and 00s...

our generation produced as many disposable mud,boney m, rubettes, showaddywaddy et al as the last generation or so produced a steps, atomic kitten and sclub 7...it's all relative....and there was loads of crap in the 80s - to which queen added their own contribution

and, as i said before - popularity does not mean quality - sales do not make something iconic/classic. hence, each generation has plenty of (subjective) crap - but they still sell shedloads