Why is Body Language so reviled?

Brenski: so Queen's Greatest Hits has sold over 6 million so does that make it a crap album then?
what i am trying to say is Artists these days do not have to sell many sales to get the gold or platinum discs
like in the 70s and 80s bands like Queen and Status Quo had to sell much more than the groups of today to be considered for
Gold or platinum sales.
What about the guinness book of hit singles, that uses sales figures to indicate popular singles or albums,
i disagree with you because Queen mainly released quality music in the 80s no matter how you compare it
to past efforts, ok with the exception of "Body Language" everything else was pretty damn hot.
you sound quite narrow minded as far as diffferent music cultures are concerned?

[QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]Brenski:  so Queen's Greatest Hits has sold over 6 million so does that make it a crap album then?what i am trying to say is Artists these days do not have to sell many sales to get the gold or platinum discs like in the 70s and 80s bands like Queen and Status Quo had to sell much more than the groups of today to be considered for Gold or platinum sales.
[/QUOTE] that isn't what i said., please read what i said again i said that sales doesn't mean it's great - i gave examplesof where i thought that applied.
i also said 1million sales is 1 million sales no matter what decade it's in

[QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]you sound quite narrow minded as far as diffferent music cultures are concerned?[/QUOTE] you really like your sweeping statements don't you?  and this ^^^ from someone who said:- >>>>>

[QUOTE][b][i]gerry wrote[/i][/b] [i]My cd collection is huge and not just Queen, I have cds by Toto, Twisted Sister, E.L.O, Status Quo, Supertramp The Sweet, David Bowie, Boston, Kiss etc......... so its untrue that i am unwilling to recognize other artisits.[/i][/QUOTE]
so basically just "rock" ^^^ for you then?

you know NOTHING about my music collection yet you think i am narrow minded as far as musical cultures? i doubt you even know what a musical culture is - but i think in this instance the actual word you may be looking for is genre.  anyhow to enlighten you, my music collection includes ;
 motown, country, classical, rock, reggae, blues, irish folk (that's 50/60s irish folk), indie, grunge, electronica, pop, metal, as well as most of the standards from 5 decades of music....and when i say included - i'm talking about not just a single track or album from each category - i'm talking about what you'd call a decent cross section of each.  i've got albums by bands that that i saw live, that quickly disappeared into obscurity  - bands i think you may never have even heard of - rock and other categories.
btw - i'm not preaching - you said i sounded narrow - i'm proving otherwise.

yeah i know what you said, but did you understand when i said Queen had it tough in there days
because they had to sell more records to achieve gold discs, as opposed to today where artists
do not have to sell that many copies to achieve gold discs, for instance xfactor contestants, they get away with murder
and are a complete insult to bands like Queen who have calved out a career over many years and slogged
there arse's off, then you get some young cocky arse hole like james arthur who comes along and is told he has sold a million copies
of his latest single for what, so many digital downloads!
Todays groups and artists have it far too easy, and success is handed down to then on a gold plate from simon cowell
or who ever can pull the strings.

[QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]
yeah i know what you said, but did you understand when i said Queen had it tough in there days
because they had to sell more records to achieve gold discs, as opposed to today where artists
do not have to sell that many copies to achieve gold discs, for instance xfactor contestants, they get away with murder
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where did you find that information?
because every gold single award from 1957 to 2012 has over 1 million sales
as for albums:
silver 60,000 gold 100,000 platinum 300,000 - UK
gold 500,000, platinum 1,000,000, diamond 10,000,000 USA
i have searched far and wide on the net and can find nothing to suggest these sales classifications have ever changed with regard to actual figures. This is a prime example of you just "uttering something" because you think it's the case - without actually checking your facts.

I was letting you know that artists these days get gold awards very easily and its not how it used to be
years ago when an artist had to really work so damn hard to get gold sales, these days there is a lot of hype
in the music business and downloads that really bump up artists sales.
Anyway i am not going to go on and on as this thread is about "Body Language" so lets just leave it there,
if you have anything else to say open up a new discussion!
By the way i am not narrow minded when it comes to music, sure i like rock artists but i also listen to other genres
as you put it. From Esther Philips to Anastacia! That cool enough for ya?

My dad is bigger than your dad.

Esther Rancid and Anesthesia. Good band.

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
where did you find that information?
because every gold single award from 1957 to 2012 has over 1 million sales
as for albums:
silver 60,000 gold 100,000 platinum 300,000 - UK
gold 500,000, platinum 1,000,000, diamond 10,000,000 USA
i have searched far and wide on the net and can find nothing to suggest these sales classifications have ever changed with regard to actual figures. This is a prime example of you just "uttering something" because you think it's the case - without actually checking your facts.
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I'm fairly sure that the numbers for British awards have changed over the years.

For example this page

http://www.davemcaleer.com/page21.htm

quotes the following figures

(1959) silver 250,000 gold 1,000,000
(1973) silver 250,000 gold 500,000 platinum 1,000,000

which were until 1973 used for both singles and albums.

I also believe the sale requirement for a UK gold single today is only 400,000 (or 40%) of what it was originally.

my figures came from BPI & RIAA sites...not wiki or fansites

and the point being aimed at Gerry's comments that a "Gold" these days is easier than it was for queen in the 70s/80s

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]

my figures came from BPI & RIAA sites...not wiki or fansites

and the point being aimed at Gerry's comments that a "Gold" these days is easier than it was for queen in the 70s/80s[/QUOTE]

I realise that it doesn't have any bearing in this discussion IF you want to limit it to US & UK album certifications post 1973 (which actually wasn't mentioned in Gerry's message...)

But if you take a wider perspective, you'll have to admit that all certifications (even from the same vountry) are not comparable because of changes in the standards.


For example, here in Finland the gold record sales have been reduced from 25,000 (since 1975) to 20,000 (in 1994) to 15,000 (in 2001) to 10,000 (in 2008).

At the same time the number of sold records has changed from 6.4 M (in 1994) to 9.5 M (in 2001) to 6.3 M (in 2008).

The number of sales required for a gold record was cut to half, while the total sales remained the same... It became much easier to receive gold records.

Hey thanks for that, and i wonder what professor peanuts aka Brenski has to say to that?
But yeah what you say is what i explained to Brenski.
It is much easier for talentless morons like james arthur or little mix to get gold awards, quite an insult to real genuine artisits like Queen.

sorry dbl-dbl post - my internet connection is f*cking up

sorry dbl post

[QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]Hey thanks for that, and i wonder what professor peanuts aka Brenski has to say to that?But yeah what you say is what i explained to Brenski.
It is much easier for talentless morons like james arthur or little mix to get gold awards, quite an insult to real genuine artisits like Queen.[/QUOTE]
this is what you ACTUALLY said:
[QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]what i am trying to say is Artists these days do not have to sell many sales to get the gold or platinum discs like in the 70s and 80s bands like Queen and Status Quo had to sell much more than the groups of today to be considered for Gold or platinum sales.[/QUOTE]
which implies they don't have to sell very many records these days - the gold record status was reduced in the UK in 1973 - BEFORE queen's first GOLD sale.
so my point stands Gerry how was a gold record worth very much less actual sales for recent groups as opposed to queen?.
Lest we forget - YOU are the person who was adamant that Rio was in the USA [QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]I think boy george got away with it because he fitted in with the romantics image at the time where as freddie insisted in keeping the moustache just to ad an element of fun when he was in drag but the americans do not like seeing blokes with facial hair and full make up because they just can not handle it ![/QUOTE] you're globalising again. YOU don't know this for sure. where are the facts to back this up? it's just YOUR perception.the only actual facts we all know are that the IWTBF & IAHL videos helped to kill queen in the states, no-one anywhere knows if the moustache contributed to this.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b] well the only proof i have for you is that freddie got bottled on stage at rio for getting dressed up in drag with the wig and boobs and he had to quickly get rid before the whole show was wrecked back in 1985! [/QUOTE]
and YOU claimed that Dancer had John playing bass on it [QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]Yes i love "Dancer" its a pity that song never became a single release because it has a bit of everything for us Queenies,a good Deacy bass line, some fancy Brian guitar playing, some great Freddie vocals and a nice drum beat by rog!.[/QUOTE]

but you can go on arguing - like the belligerent you clearly are. - only thing clear about YOUR posts is YOU keep changing your argument - continually moving the goalposts - as this shows - how can "hit singles" and "played today" be the same thing? [QUOTE] [b]gerry wrote:[/b]i guess it depends on how many hit singles are made from each album to make the album popular. I think The Game had quite a lot of hit singles taken from it, where as innuendo album only has "These are the days of our lives" played from it these days on the radio.[/QUOTE]
for that reason alone, I'm leaving you to it. I've more than proved you are wrong - but YOU can have the last word, i won't come back and disagree with you as it's pointless trying to reason with you hahahahahaha - whatever next?
i'm out of this one... have fun "journo"

well the looser all quits first Brenski ...... bye bye looser! ha ha ha.