AS IS SAID, IT'S ALL ABOUT OPINION. YOU DON'T THINK ADAM IS EXCEPTIONALLY TALENTED. I DO. YOU THINK HIS VOICE IS SHRILL AND GRATING. I LOVE HIS VOICE. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY CAMP (NO PUN INTENDED) AND A LOT OF PEOPLE IN YOURS (MOSTLY QUEEN FANS AND OLDER WHITE MEN).
Oscar J · Member since
"Mostly Queen fans and older white men". How would you know that? Intuitively, I would assume that Adam's fans consist mainly of girls in the lower teens. There's no way for me to know that though and it's a cheap argument anyway.
Day dop · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]someonewholikesadam wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]someonewholikesadam wrote:[/b]
You said you had shitty taste in your post and I was agreeing with you. Shitty taste to me means not agreeing that Adam Lambert is an exceptionally talented singer, whether you like his style or not [/QUOTE]
What? Shitty taste is not agreeing that he's a talented singer? lol. Well, no. Not at all.
You're confusing taste and talent. Sure, he can hit the high notes (so could Roger Taylor in his heyday). There's talent in doing that. But that still doesn't mean I like his shrill, grating (especially on the high notes) cabaret style voice one bit, nor do I like his style in general.
The way he looks? Outright tacky. And he lacks authenticity. Hence all in all, I consider it shitty taste.
TYPING IN ALL CAPS ONLY SO YOU CAN SEE MY RESPONSES. ALL OPINION. I LOVE ADAM'S VOICE AND MANY DO. HIS TASTE IS AWESOME! HE IS FREQUENTLY ON "BEST DRESSED" LISTS. HE IS, TO ME, VERY AUTHENTIC. WHAT YOU SEE AS INAUTHENTIC, I SEE AS ADAM'S INNATE THEATRICALITY.
There's more to being a singer than range btw. Tone being another aspect. I dislike Lambert's tone, and I'm not alone on that one. As soon as he hits those high notes, I have to switch off. I just cannot stomach it anymore. It's horrid.
This is how Whole Lotta Love sounds when done by an authentic rock singer. Just right.
WELL OF COURSE NO ONE IS GOING TO COMPETE WITH ROBERT PLANT.
If you think it's about vocal range, then Mike Patton knocks Lambert out of the park. Patton has a [b]six[/b] octave range, and he is way way WAY more diverse than Lambert could ever be in his dreams (I do not consider Lambert to be diverse).
Also, Patton has a much nicer tone with his standard style of singing.
Enjoy (a far superior singer to Lambert in every way - range, tone, diversity, the lot. He can also sing low, something that's not Lambert's forte):
Freddie of course, despite suffering with his vocal nodules when heavy touring, had a great all round voice. Tone-wise, Freddie beats them all. I suspect you saw the articles / science journal regarding Freddie's voice? That was a natural talent for sure.
BUT if you're talking about talent, as far as range and diversity (heck the guy even sings in various languages - try 2:28 onwards on that video I left above), and tone is concerned, then Lambert doesn't hold a candle to Patton.
Lambert is talented in a Pop Idol kinda way, sure, but with a voice that grates. But not "exceptionally" talented in my books. There's gotta be more to hitting the high notes for them to be that. He's not particularly diverse. If he was, he'd sound a lot more natural doing the rock numbers. But it's cabaret style.
I THINK HE SOUNDS SUPER AUTHENTIC DOING ROCK NUMBERS (AS DID THE AMERICAN IDOL JUDGES) AND MANY OTHERS. BUT TO BE FAIR, ROCK WAS NEVER MY FIRST CHOICE MUSIC GENRE, PREFERRING SOUL AND POP.
Freddie was exceptionally talented, and a natural talent at that (again, what the science journal revealed), to
the point he's widely and often regarded as the greatest rock singer we've ever had.
AND NO ONE IS DISPUTING FREDDIE AS ONE OF THE GREATS BUT HE'S NOT LONGER ALIVE.
Patton is exceptionally talented.[/QUOTE]
AS IS SAID, IT'S ALL ABOUT OPINION. YOU DON'T THINK ADAM IS EXCEPTIONALLY TALENTED. I DO. YOU THINK HIS VOICE IS SHRILL AND GRATING. I LOVE HIS VOICE. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY CAMP (NO PUN INTENDED) AND A LOT OF PEOPLE IN YOURS (MOSTLY QUEEN FANS AND OLDER WHITE MEN).
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I suspected Patton wouldn't do much for you, being a blinkered Lambert fan, knowing Patton outshines Lambert. More diverse, bigger range, nicer tone, more power. His 6 octave vocal range and wider diversity (which includes, not only various styles, but singing in different languages) isn't merely subjective opinion either.
I never said you were disputing Freddie was one of the greats. I don't think there'd be much disputing that anyway.
I've already said that Lambert is talented. But exceptionally talented? No. He still sounds like a Pop Idol cabaret type artist even when doing rock numbers. He doesn't sound authentic whatsoever. He's not diverse.
And really, you're using American fucking Idol judges word as a indicator when it comes to how an authentic rock singer should sound? Seriously? You can use May & Taylor if you like, but then, I'd question their artistic judgement too. I mean, Daffy? Five? Wyclef Jean? Robbie Williams? American Idol? Adam Lambert? Art? Au sens le plus large du terme.
Well, it keeps them busy I guess.
I'm not quite sure how old you think I am (one of the last of Gen X) if you must know. There's plenty of Millennials who like many of the artists I like (hardly a surprise, the oldest Millennials aren't much different in age to the youngest Gen xers). I don't see what that has to do with it. I also like St.Vincent, and Tame Impala, and plenty of other newer groups.
I just don't like Pop Idol / cabaret types. I consider it tacky as hell.
And yes, I'm white, but what exactly has my skin colour got to with the conversation up to the point YOU mentioned it?
You're aware that Mercury was Persian, born in Zanzibar, and not white himself, right?
If you want to play the identify politics game, then fine, but don't expect me not to call you out on it.
Skin colour has NOTHING to do with this conversation. Mentioning white skin colour in a conversion that has absolutely nothing to do with it reeks of resentment stemming from either racism issues (if you're not white) or self loathing (if you are white) on your part. Or maybe you've seen that card played by idiot social justice warriors (if you're not a SJW yourself) or bandwagon jumpers, and think it'll work here. I assure you, it won't.
So you don't rate Patton? Cool. Let me keep ramming Patton's vocal abilities - which are superior to Lambert's - down your throat. Because, y'know.....that'll totally change your mind, right?
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Day dop · Member since
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Gregsynth · Member since
Mike Patton is a extremely talented singer. Super diverse.
Oscar J · Member since
someonewholikesadam · Member since
Day dop · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]someonewholikesadam wrote:[/b]
Holy Overreaction, Late GenX'er! I was only mentioning "older white men" as a demographic of people who don't like Lambert. I follow his career so I know.
At least I can admit to differences in taste, whereas you cannot. That's why white female Baby Boomers are far superior to spoiled male GenXers.
Oscar J., you might want to get some popcorn with that chair.[/QUOTE]
Nope. Not an overreaction at all. I'm calling out your bullshit. And as you've played the identify politics game, that's exactly what I'll do.
Again, what has being white got to do with it? The majority of Lambert fans are white too. Did that elude you?
Try again.
someonewholikesadam · Member since
mike hunt · Member since
I Never was a die hard Patton fan, so I'm not biased when I say MR.Patton kicks Adams butt as a singer/songwriter/entertainer and originality, And its not even close. Brian and Roger lost the plot since Mr. Mercury passed away. At least Paul Rodgers was a legend even if it never fully worked as a unit. Like TCR, It had good Individual performances, but the songs were uninspired. Also, I didn't like the way paul sang Queen songs live, though I do like the way The Rodger songs sounded, and I liked the drum solo and last horizon, so it was a mixed bag for me. The lambert era I don't like at all.
Day dop · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]someonewholikesadam wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Day dop wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]someonewholikesadam wrote:[/b]
Holy Overreaction, Late GenX'er! I was only mentioning "older white men" as a demographic of people who don't like Lambert. I follow his career so I know.
At least I can admit to differences in taste, whereas you cannot. That's why white female Baby Boomers are far superior to spoiled male GenXers.
Oscar J., you might want to get some popcorn with that chair.[/QUOTE]
Nope. Not an overreaction at all. I'm calling out your bullshit. And as you've played the identify politics victim game, that's exactly what I'll do.
Again, what has being white got to do with it? The majority of Lambert fans are white too. Did that elude you?
Try again.[/QUOTE]
No bullshit. Yes, most of Adam's fans are white. White women my age. Not white men. Most are too homophobic.
Watched your vid. I am open-minded and willing to be educated but Patton still doesn't float my boat. And lest you think
Adam can't sing in a different language:
I was already aware of that track. I never said he can't sing in a different language. It's something many singers do from time to time.
Mike Patton is fluent in different languages - not just one or two.
So, what has skin colour got to do with this? I don't give a shit your skin colour, or anyone else's. Clearly, you do, and felt the need to bring it up. Why? What difference does that make here?
And what's homophobia got to do with this conversation?
someonewholikesadam · Member since
Okay. In the spirit of full disclosure, I've never heard of Mike Patton before and only watched the videos you've just posted but I can already tell his not my type of performer. Too dull.
Day dop · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]someonewholikesadam wrote:[/b]
Okay. In the spirit of full disclosure, I've never heard of Mike Patton before and only watched the videos you've just posted but I can already tell his not my type of performer. Too dull.[/QUOTE]
You've never heard of Faith No More before?
Dull is not a word that many people would associate with Patton. Like Freddie, he's done some far more wilder stuff than Lambert ever will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw7cxCMeHtg
someonewholikesadam · Member since
Day Drop,
You are clearly missing my point. You are too stubborn to listen. Most singers have a fan demographic. I was simply pointing out that probably 70-80 percent of Adam's fanbase is white women between the ages of 40 and 70. Just a fact. White men are his lowest demographic. No judgment. Just fact. I wasn't talking about YOU. I have no idea if you're a 10-year-old black boy, nor do I care.
