A comparison of Live at the Rainbow (2014) and previous versions

Okay, I've updated the pdf to include the additional things everyone has helpfully pointed out. I've also edited the updated link into the original post. 

[url=https://mega.co.nz/#!90RjhAzB!ay4pF_2LjiV4padWS9YGx5Xy8wzOGtlxvSDc8u2Jr8o]https://mega.co.nz/#!90RjhAzB!ay4pF_2LjiV4padWS9YGx5Xy8wzOGtlxvSDc8u2Jr8o[/url]

Changelog 
- Included every suggestion posted in this thread up until this point. 
- Fixed some wording in March Liar - specified 'palm muting', the guitar technique, rather than just 'muting' which could be taken to mean volume. 
- Removed an incorrect statement about Freddie's usual live phrasing at a certain point in Liar, and removed the inference I made stemming from that mistake. 
- Added a comparison between the 2002 GVH version of Now I'm Here and the 2014 version.

Everyone is credited for their contributions - I certainly am not gonna take credit for things that I failed to spot myself.

[QUOTE] [b]MercurialFreddie wrote:[/b]

One person commented on the youtube "video" of Rainbow TFFMS that he had it on bootleg. So the question arises if there is an audience recording of a full march show ?[/QUOTE]

There's not known to be one, but it's always possible. It would be an absolute gem if one was found to exist, particularly in figuring out what they did to Fairy Feller this year.

There is definitely an audience recording of the November 19th show, as Brian's mother taped it at least partially, but I don't like our chances of ever getting our hands on that :P

Fantastically god job, Tom! Much appreciated.

OKay let me help a bit :

The live Acetate is confirmed november 20th. so you have the first 5 tracks to compare
Jailhouse rock is from nov 20th. as well. Simply becaue Roger didn't trashed his drumkit at the first night.
The beautiful close up shot of Freddie during FTS when he is standing at JD his mic is from nov 19th
The 3 tracks Liar, S&D SCC are indeed from nov 19th.

Anyone noticed that shots from SSOR are quite poor, I am talking about the angles, it is presented very different compared to the other selected angles.

I like GigaNinja his idea about the letter Q U E E N in the back

[QUOTE] [b]Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:[/b]

OKay let me help a bit :

The live Acetate is confirmed november 20th. so you have the first 5 tracks to compare
Jailhouse rock is from nov 20th. as well. Simply becaue Roger didn't trashed his drumkit at the first night.
The beautiful close up shot of Freddie during FTS when he is standing at JD his mic is from nov 19th
The 3 tracks Liar, S&D SCC are indeed from nov 19th.

Anyone noticed that shots from SSOR are quite poor, I am talking about the angles, it is presented very different compared to the other selected angles.

I like GigaNinja his idea about the letter Q U E E N in the back
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Excellent post :)
So the version of Liar that had the power-cut was from Nov. 20th?

[QUOTE] [b]Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:[/b]
Jailhouse rock is from nov 20th. as well. Simply becaue Roger didn't trashed his drumkit at the first night.
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Are you certain all of Jailhouse Rock is from the 20th? At least some of the songs on the 2014 release are composites of both nights - it could well be the first night with the dramatic drum trashing ending from the second night stuck on the end.

[QUOTE] [b]Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:[/b]
The live Acetate is confirmed november 20th. so you have the first 5 tracks to compare
[/QUOTE]

Live acetate? Is this publicly available? I honestly didn't know any such thing existed.

Thank you for your help!

EDIT: Okay, I found your share of it - I will definitely listen to it tomorrow and compare with the 2014 release. This is terrific - we'll be able to know for sure what night/s it uses for four songs!

EDIT AGAIN: Aaahh, except the links are all dead, all dead.

Acetate : http://we.tl/h5KXT0PCu5

[QUOTE] [b]Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:[/b]

The live Acetate is confirmed november 20th

Jailhouse rock is from nov 20th. as well. Simply becaue Roger didn't trashed his drumkit at the first night.

The beautiful close up shot of Freddie during FTS when he is standing at JD his mic is from nov 19th
[/QUOTE]

Can you provide proof of any of this?

If your research material isn't there for everyone to see, then it's just hearsay.

As pointed out above, Jailhouse could easily be a compilation of both nights, with the drum kit trashing stuck onto the end.

As for the live acetate - there are already vocal overdubs on it. Where is the proof that not a single note was taken from the first night, considering the acetate is a document of the film's audio well into production?

[QUOTE] [b]Nitroboy wrote:[/b]
So the version of Liar that had the power-cut was from Nov. 20th?[/QUOTE]

Yup, as the version of Liar that appears on the Trident tape has no power cut, and that's confirmed to come from the 19th. We have some footage of Liar from the 20th in the Days of Our Lives documentary, but only a little. Still, it's pretty valuable, as it actually shows one of the moments where the power cuts out.

I've compared White Queen from the acetate to the VHS version - the vocal is identical across the two, both are equally overdubbed and thus can't be pinned down to one night.

[QUOTE] [b]tomchristie22 wrote:[/b]

I've compared White Queen from the acetate to the VHS version - the vocal is identical across the two, both are equally overdubbed and thus can't be pinned down to one night. [/QUOTE]

So that one would be 20-11

What about the rest of the acetate ?

I'm just not convinced that the acetate is entirely from the second night. The fact that it has the same overdubs as the version finally released on VHS in 1992 certainly makes it seem unlikely that it comes entirely from one night - if they were doing studio overdubs on it, why would they have held back from also inserting parts from the other night?

[QUOTE] [b]tomchristie22 wrote:[/b]

I'm just not convinced that the acetate is entirely from the second night. The fact that it has the same overdubs as the version finally released on VHS in 1992 certainly makes it seem unlikely that it comes entirely from one night - if they were doing studio overdubs on it, why would they have held back from also inserting parts from the other night? [/QUOTE]

...which is what I've said since day one !

Would it be worth me doing the same thing with Hammersmith 75? Comparing Pittrek's merge of earlier versions, which can be fairly described as live and unadulterated, and the 2009 QP mix. The difference between this potential comparison and the Rainbow one is that the Rainbow one was actually working to deduce something which we didn't already know - what's live and what isn't. With Hammersmith, the aim would only be to show precisely the extent of manipulation on the 2009 mix - not quite as meaningful, but perhaps still worthwhile..

The end result would just be depressing.

Have fun :-)