Yeah agree - maybe unrehearsed wasn't right, but the mix made the drums sound really laboured in places. Showing their age? :(
I wish Lambert would stick to the vocal cues instead of putting his 'mark' on it. It just sounds clumsy and, perhaps, unrehearsed :)
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]cacatua wrote:[/b]
Looked to us like everyone there was having a great time, but then the same old haters crawl out after it's over. Feel sorry for you, hanging on so tight to the past. You sound like a bunch of old gripers sitting outside the pool hall on the dead-peckers bench brandishing your canes at the youngsters.[/QUOTE]
^ this.
The Real Wizard · Member since
They're in their 60s. When people expect them to play like they did in their 20s, they're just setting themselves up for disappointment. It's a self fulfilling prophecy, really.
The only musician I've ever heard of who played in later life like he did in his prime is Pablo Casals. But that's because he practiced for 5 hours a day.
It's TV. They're playing the hits and reaching the next generation. End of.
For every old crabby person who didn't get a free pass to relive their youth last night there are ten kids watching who enjoyed the songs and thought, "that old guy playing guitar kicked ass." And a lot of them are on YouTube watching old Queen videos today.
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Apocalipsis_Darko wrote:[/b]
Everyone has an opinion, so the lovers of Lambert with Roger &Brian must respect other opinions.
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If every opinion were equal, we'd let creationists speak on science programs on TV, and black people would be equal to racists who get their jollies from spitting on said black people on their way to buy a quart of milk. We as a species really need to get past this idea that every single viewpoint is somehow equally worthy of airtime.
Yes, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but there's a time and a place. Threads like this one are to *celebrate* what the remaining members of Queen are doing.
On Zeppelin forums, when someone posts a recording of Robert Plant from last week doing his new and bizarre arrangement of Black Dog, you won't find a single person saying "that sucked, I miss 1971." They're respectful enough to know better. But that mentality seems to skip past Queen fans who think they're a lot smarter than they actually are.
There are plenty of other threads to shit on Q+AL if people want to do that. But it's beyond me why people feel the need to take precious time out of their day to expend negative energy like that when there are so many meaningful and useful alternatives in this world.
But, nobody asked my opinion..
The King Of Rhye · Member since
New and bizarre arrangement of Black Dog? I'm gonna have to look that one up sometime! Intriguing.......
As for the Q+AL bashers, this is all I gotta say...
Holly2003 · Member since
Anyone using the word "haters" to describe critics really needs to go back to the nursery and work on their vocabulary.
As for "time and place" etc., I can understand that argument but there is a section of the forum for Queen+ and its mostly gushing criticism.
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
On Zeppelin forums, when someone posts a recording of Robert Plant from last week doing his new and bizarre arrangement of Black Dog, you won't find a single person saying "that sucked, I miss 1971." They're respectful enough to know better. But that mentality seems to skip past Queen fans who think they're a lot smarter than they actually are.
There are plenty of other threads to shit on Q+AL if people want to do that. But it's beyond me why people feel the need to take precious time out of their day to expend negative energy like that when there are so many meaningful and useful alternatives in this world.
But, nobody asked my opinion..
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^^^ sums things up perfectly. I don't like the AL collaboration but i completely respect their right to do it.
the problem with Queen is one of respect - they've never garnered the respect that Zep, beatles, floyd, rush, who and purple have. you don't get people talking crap about their band in this way on those bands' forums. they may criticise something - but it's with fact and not stepford-based belief that anything other than the original is heresy. fucking wankers.
The King Of Rhye · Member since
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[b]Holly2003 wrote: [/b] Anyone using the word "haters" to describe critics really needs to go back to the nursery and work on their vocabulary.
I'm not lumping all the people that dont like Queen + Adam together here........just referring to the people that seem to have an irrational hatred of Adam, and dont even get their facts straight....not the people that actually have a halfway intelligent point of view......
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winterspelt · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Sheer Brass Neck wrote:[/b]
Hi Winterspelt, happy new year. As a long time follower of this forum, i know you contribute regularly. To answer your question as honestly as possible, if you never saw Queen, you have no point of comparison. If people compared what they saw tonight to a Queen show in the 70s they'd be mortified and think the band were a joke. That's why :)
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Off topic:
Hi Sheer Brass Neck, happy new year to you and all Queenzoners and beloved ones!
On topic:
You are correct, I never saw Queen with Freddie. I became fan about 1 year after his death (aprox)
A joke would be this: http://youtu.be/AjNNPWTLs3g?t=2m52s
compared to this http://youtu.be/6jcFTyAPImM?t=2m25s
You must remember that a gig tends to be special because of they excitement of having your favorite band in front of you.
Freddie used to have lots of issues with his voice and nobody cared because the adrenaline, the excitement of finally seeing him in person takes away your judgement, blind your mind and make every little thing special. It is a psychological fact. It happens to everybody.
How many times you see a video of an event you were in and find out that things were not as special as you remember?
Also,you cant compare the physical limitations of someone in his 60s to their former self from 45 years ago, it is unfair. In fact you cant compare Queen members in 1969 to Queen members in 1974, they are the same persons but they are totally different.
Listen to Freddie´s recordings from the late 60s to Freddie at the Rainbow: 5 years did a huge difference. The Freddie Mercury from 1969 is not even a shadow of Freddie in 1974 and Freddie in 1974 is just a fraction of Freddie in Live Aid.
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]winterspelt wrote:[/b]
A joke would be this: http://youtu.be/AjNNPWTLs3g?t=2m52s
compared to this http://youtu.be/6jcFTyAPImM?t=2m25s
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Whoa. So you're saying people age?
Consider my mind blown !
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The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The King Of Rhye wrote:[/b]
New and bizarre arrangement of Black Dog? I'm gonna have to look that one up sometime! Intriguing.......[/QUOTE]
Plant has been rearranging Zeppelin songs for the last 15 years with his solo bands, opting not to play them as they were. He's always moving forward. He refuses to be a prisoner of his past and is creating such interesting music, often blending Americana with African and middle eastern influences. His last few records are excellent.
winterspelt · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]winterspelt wrote:[/b]
A joke would be this: http://youtu.be/AjNNPWTLs3g?t=2m52s
compared to this http://youtu.be/6jcFTyAPImM?t=2m25s
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Whoa. So you're saying people age?
Consider my mind blown !
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Haha! Sorry, my idea wasnt as clear as I wanted!
What Im trying to say is: If Gillan wasnt able to sing all those notes in 1980 why on earth did he tried to sing'em in 92 (date of that video) or 1994 (first time I saw Purple) 1998 or even as far as 2005/6 (the last time I saw Purple playing it)
Brian or Roger dont try to play or sing outside their capabilities, they know their limitations and avoid this kind of embarrassment which in my opinion makes a musician a "joke"
The King Of Rhye · Member since
I find it kind of weird that the TV mix was apparently so different from the live stream mix (which I thought was excellent)......
Sheer Brass Neck · Member since
Hello again Winterspelt, and The Real Wizard. There's so much truth in what both of you have posted, and even cacatua although the geezer/hater thing is absurd. We have aging musicians and bands/musicians changing with the times etc. So my take is this, and my feeling is I am no more or less a fan than someone who was became a fan a year after Freddie's death, or someone who saw Smile live and every gig from day one of Queen. We're all fans. However...
TRW mentions aging musicians. Everyone gets old and people can't do the things they did when they were younger. Agree wholeheartedly. So for me, a slower, less energetic band pales in comparison to the Queen I saw in the 70s. They aren't as hungry, they're trotting out the same old, same old for the umpteenth time, and they don't have the energy they did as young men, nor the dynamic the original singer and bassist provided. For me, those are things that diminish my enjoyment of the presentation.
Wizard also posted, "On Zeppelin forums, when someone posts a recording of Robert Plant from last week doing his new and bizarre arrangement of Black Dog, you won't find a single person saying "that sucked, I miss 1971." They're respectful enough to know better. But that mentality seems to skip past Queen fans who think they're a lot smarter than they actually are." Then, "Plant has been rearranging Zeppelin songs for the last 15 years with his solo bands, opting not to play them as they were. He's always moving forward. He refuses to be a prisoner of his past and is creating such interesting music, often blending Americana with African and middle eastern influences. His last few records are excellent." So, a musician who has moved on, tries new things is to be lauded, and the fan base is good with that. If Queen tried that, then maybe the old fans would be happier. Probably not though :) But Queen IS trying to act like it's 1977 or 1984. It isn't. Same arrangements, less energy, seen it all before. And performed better. That diminishes my enjoyment of the presentation.
Again, as a moderate, I like the fact that a new generation gets to see the new incarnation. It keeps the music alive. But they aren't the same band, and truth be told, they wouldn't be if Freddie were alive. He'd be 68 years old and he wouldn't be the rock era frontman. Probably more standing around, less energy, more time singing on a stool or at the piano. And if I saw the original Queen where Freddie popped up from under the stage, made flash pots blow up and with the tap of a mike or a whoosh of an arm, and knocked speakers over as a sonic bomb surrounded me during Sheer Heart Attack, I'd say the Queen in 2015 would be pretty lame compared to that. Lack of hunger and age contribute to slowing down creatively and performing wise. No shame in that. But comparing what we saw last night may not be a joke compared to the rock and roll Queen of the 70s, but it's not really close either in any aspect. IMHO.
