do you think the younger generation only cares about freddie's aids status?

Nitroboy wrote:

Greg, you should ALWAYS take Gerry's comments with a HUGE grain of salt.

surely you mean "with half of Siberia" ?

yeah go on and mock me once again, but i know more about the gay homophobes than you think.
There is a nasty family in America called the phelps and they campaign full on against any one who is gay, they fill America with gay hatred and have rallies marching all over the states with banners with such slogans as "god hates faggots" " faggots go to hell" etc.........
They also had a cardboard cut out of famous gay stars to mock and one sadly was our beloved freddie.
America gave Queen the cold shoulder after the video for "i want to break free" and nothing has changed over there since.

gerry wrote: Homophobia has increased here in the uk across schools and socially.
You guys are out of touch.

Gerry - before you attack me, I will say one thing - your comments are so far out of touch it's unreal. You speak from a perception, and utter opinions that you don't back up with facts.

Here's a bona-fide fact for you:
Until my early retirement 2 years ago, I worked as Equality Manager in a very large UK prison - so i can speak from factual experience. I can tell you - because it was my fucking job to know this - that "even in prisons" the levels of homophobia are NOTHING like the epidemic you imply. If anything, discrimination of ALL types is nothing like the way it used to be in the Prison service i joined in the 1970s. The further improvements since the Equality Act 2010 are proof that behaviour - either through persuasion or attitudal change the "problem" is nowhere near as bad as YOU say.

Prisons (in my 33 yrs service) have always reflected the wider society, with the claustrophobic nature of the environment heightening and exaggerating any problems that do exist. Based on my paragraph above, I'd say your perception of society as one where discrimination - homophobic in particular - is on the rise to be wholly inaccurate and misleading.

Any chance you'll accept someone speaking with actual facts to back up their statement?

i can back up my claims, because CH4 done a documentary on homophobia in America and it is rife and getting out of control.
Back home in the uk, the metropolitan police announced Homophobia is back on the rise with many attacks never getting reported the police,
which is very disturbing.
victims seem to think they will get mocked by the police if they report these nasty crimes.
Even stonewall announced last year homphobia is on the rise.
check out GT sometime and learn some home truths about gay culture.

gerry wrote:

yeah go on and mock me once again, but i know more about the gay homophobes than you think.

Gay homophobes?? I never knew were many of those......

gerry wrote:
i can back up my claims, because CH4 done a documentary on homophobia in America and it is rife and getting out of control.
Back home in the uk, the metropolitan police announced Homophobia is back on the rise with many attacks never getting reported the police,
which is very disturbing.
victims seem to think they will get mocked by the police if they report these nasty crimes.
Even stonewall announced last year homphobia is on the rise.
check out GT sometime and learn some home truths about gay culture.

i referred to UK only - which is why I quoted your UK comment only.
there really is no point trying to discuss things with you...what you have stated are op[inions
provide actual facts and figures not conjecture. you cannot say "people think they'll be mocked" - you DON'T actually know that this is the reason for non reporting. the reasons could be many.
but YOU throw everything into a convenient box because it suits your ludicrous viewpoint.
I gave you a factual example of an extreme part of society (prison) - a place where i worked and in a job role specifically relevant to this subject matter....my role was to deal with, investigate and report on all discrimination. and YEs there was discrimination - there always will be. But it was greatly reduced since the dark days of the late 70s/early 80s.
My facts bear scrutiny - yours don't

and until YOu start to accept actual facts as opposed to your thoughts - you really have no chance.

It'd be interesting to see what others feel about the UK..

I have stated my facts, infact why don't you google Homophobia in the uk, they you will get all the facts you can stomach.
Then you will plainly see that what i have discussed earlier is "fact" and not my personal thoughts!
My mates brother works in one notorious prison in Durham, and its rife with homophobia and assaults on a regular basis, not that i am saying all prisons are like that but Durham is one of the toughest prisons in the uk.
My uncle was chief prison officer and worked in some of the nastiest prisons all over the uk, and he even tells me homophobia inside is nasty and bloody.
Anyway you should also google the phelps family, it is interesting reading!

gerry wrote:
My uncle was chief prison officer and worked in some of the nastiest prisons all over the uk, and he even tells me homophobia inside is nasty and bloody.

when was he Chief Prison Officer? what year(s) exactly?

probably from early 70s to the early 90s.

then the data he quotes is out of date as there have been NO Chief Officers in ANY English/Welsh Prisons since 1987.

2013 - to date
operational support grade > officer > supervising officer > custodial manager > Operational Manager 5-1

1987-2013
operational support grade > officer > senior officer > principal officer > Governor 5-1 > Governor In Charge

upto 1987
auxiliary officer > officer > senior officer > principle officer > chief 2 > chief 1 > Assistant Governor 2 > Assistant Governor 1 > dep governor > Governing Gov

also he COULD NOT have been working in the prison service at the time i quote my data from ie - 2011-2013..
reason? as Chief officer from early 70s (let's say 1974) to 1987 (end of chief rank) he'd have served at least 8-10 years prior to 74 to attain the rank of chief. which makes his service start date approx 1965. Youngest start date for unified prison staff in those days was 21 - so 21 in 1965 makes him at least 69 today - if you're telling the truth!!!!
and if you ARE being honest then he's been retired at least 10 years as the retirement age for staff who joined BEFORE 1987 is 55 years old...
therefore whatever he has told you is at least 10 years out of date...as no one who was ever a chief officer has been working in english/welsh prisons for at least ten years...

happy to have been of service (again)

My uncle is now 76 and i may have got my dates wrong but i am not lying as he was a chief prison officer.
why would i lie for anyway?
He lived in wakefield which is near Leeds,

anyway to re-rail the thread.

No, in general I don't think the younger generation are that concerned with Freddie's sexuality and AIDS status.

But I think some people round these parts might just be.

gerry wrote:My uncle is now 76 and i may have got my dates wrong but i am not lying as he was a chief prison officer. why would i lie for anyway?
He lived in wakefield which is near Leeds,

you need to learn to read
i said that if you are telling the truth then your data was at least 10 years out of date -
Chief rank ceased in 1987, and he would be at least 69 now - i am right as you just confirmed he's 76.
which means that not only is YOUR data/quotes from your uncle 10 years out of date - it's MUCH older - as at 76 he'd have retired 15-20 years ago.

so yet again Gerry world quotes data he perceives to be true when it's actually decades out of date.
my data was correct as of 2013 - when i retired from the service.

but STILL YOU won't accept the facts
not arguing with you anymore, as YOU have proven time and time and time a-fucking-gain that you can't be reasoned with...this is just another in a long list of gerry shactoids that even when debunked - you still defy logic.

people can choose which discrimination data they consider the most relevant and up-to-date:
1] second hand info from someone whose uncle last worked in the prison service 15-20 years ago
or
2] someone with 33 years prison service employment, whose last role in a prison was as Equality Manager in a 1,000 prisoner local prison until May 2013.

Brenski, you are forgetting the ch4 documentary on homophobia and that was 2 years ago.
If you read my post correctly i did state it is still quite bad around some prisons, and socially,
gay hate crime is still out there.
Even in foreign countries like Russia, Jamaica, Zimbabwe etc..... you can end up dead if someone suspects you are gay.
Over here even UKIP are homophobic, so you see you think you know it all when infact you know fuck all.

Yes, homophobia still exists in the developing world and isn't completely eradicated in the developed world.

But we are leagues beyond where we were a few decades ago.