A Night at the Odeon - audio overdubs + video changes

DepeX wrote:

Pittrek would you be so kind to upload the full qtv broadcast? Thank you

I'll ask the "correct people"

Biggus Dickus wrote:

CruellaDeVille wrote: What are all the complaints about? We've been after this for years, sit back and enjoy it!

It's not necessarily about complaining, but about doing research. Personally I find stuff like this interesting.

Thanks. Me to.
The fact I'm trying to find out which changes have they done doesn't mean I'm complaining or that I'm not grateful for the release.

Pitttrek wrote:
The fact I'm trying to find out which changes have they done doesn't mean I'm complaining or that I'm not grateful for the release.

My apologies, I misread your intent.

Cheers,
CDV

tomchristie22 wrote:


For sure. One could make the argument that they need to make it clinically perfect in order to survive in today's market, but the fact is that these releases are for a pretty specific and small audience anyway - one that's going to appreciate them more if they haven't been tampered with.

Let Me In Your Heart Again, which probably had pitch correction on it, is a slightly different matter - if Freddie sang some not so good notes on it, and they had no alternative recording, then I think it's an acceptable solution. Especially since if autotune is present on that song, it's quite subtle, unlike some of the live corrections in the last 2 years.

I personally disagree. If I wanted to listen to Freddie singing off key I'd stick on the old bootleg. For an official release, I don't nesseceraly want perfection but I do want it to be enjoyable and easy on the ear if I'm paying good money for it.

I'm happy for fluffed guitar parts and other mistakes, i.e. the end of Liar, to be left in. But off key singing is unacceptable for an official release. Autotune all the way for me.

Bad Seed wrote:

tomchristie22 wrote:


For sure. One could make the argument that they need to make it clinically perfect in order to survive in today's market, but the fact is that these releases are for a pretty specific and small audience anyway - one that's going to appreciate them more if they haven't been tampered with.

Let Me In Your Heart Again, which probably had pitch correction on it, is a slightly different matter - if Freddie sang some not so good notes on it, and they had no alternative recording, then I think it's an acceptable solution. Especially since if autotune is present on that song, it's quite subtle, unlike some of the live corrections in the last 2 years.

I personally disagree. If I wanted to listen to Freddie singing off key I'd stick on the old bootleg. For an official release, I don't nesseceraly want perfection but I do want it to be enjoyable and easy on the ear if I'm paying good money for it.

I'm happy for fluffed guitar parts and other mistakes, i.e. the end of Liar, to be left in. But off key singing is unacceptable for an official release. Autotune all the way for me.

You do realize that, in exactly the same way that '80s synth strings and old movie special effects sound/look extraordinarily cheesy and fake today, these 'fixes' are going to sound laughably fake in the future?

Again I disagree. The pitch correction on the Rainbow shows is noticeable for someone who knows what they're listening for but not at all for the average listener.
Where on the Odeon show is autotune at all obvious, even for someone with a good ear?

Bad Seed wrote:

Again I disagree. The pitch correction on the Rainbow shows is noticeable for someone who knows what they're listening for but not at all for the average listener.
Where on the Odeon show is autotune at all obvious, even for someone with a good ear?

You totally fail to get the point. This is a fairly new technology, just like the special effects of 1950s films were new. Nobody noticed the shortcomings because people weren't used to it yet. Twenty years later, after massive exposure to the technologies in question, they become painfully easy to pick out. There is absolutely NO reason to assume it will be ANY different for this technology. In 20 years, it WILL sound cheesy and fake. You can disagree as much as you want to, it won't change a thing.

Do yourself a favor. Look up some of the North Korean doctored photographs of American POWs from the 1950s. At the time, even photographics experts thought they were real. Now, a 10-year-old can see how they were edited together from different pieces. Exactly the same concept.

I completely get your point, I just think you're wrong.

I will save this thread for 20 years, and then I'll bring it back in 2035. See ya :D

brunogorski wrote:

I will save this thread for 20 years, and then I'll bring it back in 2035. See ya :D

The same year the anthology sets will be released, yeah?!!

pittrek wrote:

DepeX wrote:

Pittrek would you be so kind to upload the full qtv broadcast? Thank you

I'll ask the "correct people"

Ok, thank you.

I think in the circumstances they did a pretty good job of removing the original BBC end credits but why oh why did they decide to shove some cut and paste frames of the audience in the middle? If you look at pittrek's side by side comparison the footage that they discarded looks good and has less on-screen text to remove than other sections? The decision that they took to use the original footage (rather than edit it all out like they did in 2009) was a good one so why go to the trouble of painstakingly removing all that text just to botch it in the middle...it defies logic?

Really disappointed to hear there are so many studio additions and tweaks to a concert that I've always thought sounded good in its unaltered state (despite Fred being ill). But I've come to accept that *some* edits and tweaks are necessary for a commercial release and that's fine if they are done well. Who wants to hear Fred's voice crack or him miss a note on an official release? (Maybe some uber fans and perfectionists, but bootlegs are available for them.) As for the 'what will people in the future think', well fair enough, but this isn't an archeological dig where the ground will be covered over again so that future archeologists can use their state of the art technology, it's a product for sale and unless they have access to a time machine Queen Productions have, of course, to use current technology. The original tapes still exist and we can assume in the future they will re-release this concert using whatever technology is then available.

Holly, Freddie still cracks on other releases like Milton Keynes, Wembley, and Budapest as well.
I'm an advocate of leaving the stuff as original as it can be. Cracks and all. If it's something as bad as Japan '79, then use that kind of stuff as bonus material. Obviously stuff like that isn't suited for being the main release.

Has anyone of you noticed the digital glitch in Fred's introduction for BoRhap?
("...with a little segment from a numberRRRRR...") ?