Hot Space - a little gem

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I didn't "visit Milton Keynes that day" - my claim was based on the Roger interview backstage (from the original tube broadcast) where 'I want candy' can be clearly heard, in the background and of course it was reported at the time!
Calm down and be nice man! - life's too short![/QUOTE]

I want candy - that made me laugh. Is there a record of it? Would love to hear it.

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[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]master marathon runner wrote:[/b]
............you don't like HS do you Brenski?[/QUOTE]
or The Works or AKOM.

i'm not getting whatever point you're trying to make?
why is my "not liking" HS anymore noteworthy than the comments liking it?

perhaps you have a love for HS that is slanted toward your own visit to Milton Keynes?
if that's the case then i suggest that your memory of HS live is as faulty as your recall of the support bands that day, remember?

[QUOTE] [b]master marathon runner wrote:[/b]
Bow wow wow were definitely support that day.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

I didn't "visit Milton Keynes that day" - my claim was based on the Roger interview backstage (from the original tube broadcast) where 'I want candy' can be clearly heard, in the background and of course it was reported at the time!
Calm down and be nice man! - life's too short![/QUOTE]



then perhaps you shouldn't make statements like:

[QUOTE] [b]master marathon runner wrote:[/b]
Bow wow wow were definitely support that day.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
nothing "un-nice" about what i said. you singled out my dislike for HS, I singled out your 100% inaccurate statement. not my fault you go round stating "hearsay" as "fact" is it?

.............then go on YouTube, the footage with the policeman and "Martin josephson, Queen fan' , I think it was posted by Kurgan in the past. It's there, honestly, easy to find, still got the vhs from '82.
You have heard of 'I want candy ' haven't you?

....sorry brenski, I've just come across your posts on an earlier 'Announce', re the pa system play. Always presumed it was BWW live, never knew they'd been dropped.
Sincere apologies.!

What has happened to this thread? Whats going on?

[QUOTE] [b]master marathon runner wrote:[/b]

....sorry brenski, I've just come across your posts on an earlier 'Announce', re the pa system play. Always presumed it was BWW live, never knew they'd been dropped.
Sincere apologies.![/QUOTE]

Yeah, I've heard the song before.

That would be great if Freddie sung it, since he loved nose candy so much.

[QUOTE] [b]master marathon runner wrote:[/b]

....sorry brenski, I've just come across your posts on an earlier 'Announce', re the pa system play. Always presumed it was BWW live, never knew they'd been dropped.
Sincere apologies.![/QUOTE]

no problem fella. as i said - having been there that day, i knew they were definitely NOT on the bill.

i'm pretty sure the "bottling incident" at Leiden was the end of Bow Wow Wow.

on a side issue, i'd like to admit (to my own shame) that i was one of those throwing "stuff" at The Teardrop Explodes - even managed to get a meat pie to hit the Horn player and his instrument...he called us wankers.

i was impressed with how Jules played the crowd and the Teardrops finished their set...so impressed i went out and bought their first two albums and singles. sadly they split that autumn, and it was 8 years before the unfinished album was released.

Ironically enough, Jules, Balfe and co epitomized the character and effort that Roger lambasted Bow Wow Wow for lacking

........Anyway, back to Hot Space, - how do you think it's stood the test of time? - only kidding folks, only kidding !

What is the biggest difference between Hot Space and the albums that came before. Is it the vastly different production or the standard (perceived or otherwise) of the song writing.

To me the production, more so than the song writing, was a total departure from what Queen fans had grown to expect. The scope of song writing styles through out the 70's and into the early 80's had been vast but the "Queen sound" had been fairly constant. NOTW although drier and more sparse sounding still had all the familiar Queen trade marks, but by Hot Space most of the signature production sound had been striped away.

I believe that this rather than the songs themselves are where the real problems with Hot Space are found

They tend to overlap sometimes ... and also there's the question of whether you mean production as in engineering/micing/EQing/mixing or as in sounds, which isn't always the same.

Myself, I quite like the production (in terms of engineering), but I hate the sounds (as in, having chosen drum machines and synth-bass for a significant part of the first side).

Both Hot Space and NOTW sound very fuzzy to me, as does Jazz. I'm not sure why that is but it puts them to the bottom of my Queen album preference list.

A crisp version of Hot Space would probably actually be quite nice.

I also count Staying Power (like Party) as a weak opener; It doesn't make the big impact it should.

I think opening with 'Staying Power' was a good idea in principle (especially because it featured Arif Mardin) but it backfired (and in the end they didn't even promote his involvement heavily).

Perhaps all would have been well if they'd recorded the material with a much more stripped down arrangement.

Live-in-the-studio backing tracks with a few tasty overdubs of solos and vocals. Backchat and Calling All Girls might have just been belting rockers had their arrangements been more "Queen". Las Palabras and Life Is Real would stand up on any Queen album as they are as would Put Out The Fire. The real issue though, for me, is the lack of that essential Queen backing. THAT would have been the material that was played on stage (as happened anyway) and would have been far more digestible to the band's audience than Arif Mardin (who he...... ;-} ) or the synthesised instruments ever would be.

It was also missing on The Works and AKOM, but it has to be borne in mind that they were under strict instruction to provide material that would be chart-friendly in the climate of the day. The whole thing (as released) was just too much for people to come to terms with - this is the band that provided some killer rock, yet, here they are, trying to get us all to listen to music that Freddie would prance about to in his leather shorts and cap in some dodgy gay club in New York or Munich. Then, here they are with a live show and the same material absolutely rocks.

"Should I like this or not? What the hell will my mates think?" Personally, I never spoke about it with anyone but could see what it probably should have been.

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Perhaps all would have been well if they'd recorded the material with a much more stripped down arrangement.

Live-in-the-studio backing tracks with a few tasty overdubs of solos and vocals. Backchat and Calling All Girls might have just been belting rockers had their arrangements been more "Queen". Las Palabras and Life Is Real would stand up on any Queen album as they are as would Put Out The Fire. The real issue though, for me, is the lack of that essential Queen backing. THAT would have been the material that was played on stage (as happened anyway) and would have been far more digestible to the band's audience than Arif Mardin (who he...... ;-} ) or the synthesised instruments ever would be.

It was also missing on The Works and AKOM, but it has to be borne in mind that they were under strict instruction to provide material that would be chart-friendly in the climate of the day. The whole thing (as released) was just too much for people to come to terms with - this is the band that provided some killer rock, yet, here they are, trying to get us all to listen to music that Freddie would prance about to in his leather shorts and cap in some dodgy gay club in New York or Munich. Then, here they are with a live show and the same material absolutely rocks.

"Should I like this or not? What the hell will my mates think?" Personally, I never spoke about it with anyone but could see what it probably should have been.

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That's fucking well said

[QUOTE] [b]Martin Packer wrote:[/b]

Both Hot Space and NOTW sound very fuzzy to me, as does Jazz. .[/QUOTE]

Maybe get your ears tested?!!!