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yeah i'd like to see your reply to that too. thanks
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Benn Kempster
GB, re:
>> I cannot talk about everything I'd like to. I have to be discrete and be guarded in what I can impart.
Are you able to elaborate on the following at all?
1 - Can you outline what the ORIGINAL concept was for the set that is to be released as "On Air"? Was that simply focussed on BBC recordings and / or appearances?
2 - Who conceptualises the artwork these days; does it get run past the band still prior to release or are things railroaded through due to schedules etc?
2 - When was a retrospective studio rarities box set last put to Jim and what reasons are being given as to why its still not felt appropriate to release such a set when this type of release in an industry standard?
>>Why should that be so hard for so many QZ-ers to fathom?
Its not and it isn't. Really.
>> I cannot talk about everything I'd like to. I have to be discrete and be guarded in what I can impart.
Are you able to elaborate on the following at all?
1 - Can you outline what the ORIGINAL concept was for the set that is to be released as "On Air"? Was that simply focussed on BBC recordings and / or appearances?
2 - Who conceptualises the artwork these days; does it get run past the band still prior to release or are things railroaded through due to schedules etc?
2 - When was a retrospective studio rarities box set last put to Jim and what reasons are being given as to why its still not felt appropriate to release such a set when this type of release in an industry standard?
>>Why should that be so hard for so many QZ-ers to fathom?
Its not and it isn't. Really.
on my way up
I think these very fair questions deserve very fair answers. It's not "moaners" asking questions, it's very decent people who happen to love this band deeply but feel that in no way the full potential int erms of product is reached.
This is sad, both artistically and commercially (unfortunately they seem to think they're doing the right thing "commercially")
Thanks in advance to Greg for taking some time to address the serious and polite posts.
This is sad, both artistically and commercially (unfortunately they seem to think they're doing the right thing "commercially")
Thanks in advance to Greg for taking some time to address the serious and polite posts.
on my way up
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Fastidious and Precise wrote:[/b]
Being that the band are such perfectionists, surely they would want the best possible visual and audio representation of their various seventies gigs apart from the below par bootleg footage and audio thats floating around. Its always baffled me. We're so into the quality of our product but we're happy for you to watch some of our best gigs in crap substandard quality online. [/QUOTE]
^ this, this, THIS !
People will find it on YouTube anyway, and the "substandard" copy in the Queen archive is nowhere near as bad as what millions of viewers have already seen and will continue to see.
It simply defies all logic.
We are now in the age of the box set. These things won't be marketable forever. Queen are lagging far behind artists like Springsteen, King Crimson and Pink Floyd, never mind the Grateful Dead and their 50 disc box sets.
QPL need to realize what their customers actually want, and being aware of what other bands are doing would be a reasonably good start.
It would be nothing short of tragic if tapes of all these great bands would rot away in an attic.[/QUOTE]Funny you mention Springsteen.
Bruce was actually inspired to make all the great stuff available after seeing inferior material on youtube. See this link:https://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/nov/18/bruce-springsteen-sell-live-recordings-gigs
Queen could easily do the same. Much better than launching the "top 100 bootlegs" would have been to release - for example - the 25 best (raw, even mono!!) soundboards (of shows not available yet of course). Release 3 each year for example, each from different years and do it through the website in the same formats as Bruce does.
This forum would be on fire with such product happening and the anticipation to see what unknown show would be released next would make for lively debate on this forum.
[QUOTE] [b]Fastidious and Precise wrote:[/b]
Being that the band are such perfectionists, surely they would want the best possible visual and audio representation of their various seventies gigs apart from the below par bootleg footage and audio thats floating around. Its always baffled me. We're so into the quality of our product but we're happy for you to watch some of our best gigs in crap substandard quality online. [/QUOTE]
^ this, this, THIS !
People will find it on YouTube anyway, and the "substandard" copy in the Queen archive is nowhere near as bad as what millions of viewers have already seen and will continue to see.
It simply defies all logic.
We are now in the age of the box set. These things won't be marketable forever. Queen are lagging far behind artists like Springsteen, King Crimson and Pink Floyd, never mind the Grateful Dead and their 50 disc box sets.
QPL need to realize what their customers actually want, and being aware of what other bands are doing would be a reasonably good start.
It would be nothing short of tragic if tapes of all these great bands would rot away in an attic.[/QUOTE]Funny you mention Springsteen.
Bruce was actually inspired to make all the great stuff available after seeing inferior material on youtube. See this link:https://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/nov/18/bruce-springsteen-sell-live-recordings-gigs
Queen could easily do the same. Much better than launching the "top 100 bootlegs" would have been to release - for example - the 25 best (raw, even mono!!) soundboards (of shows not available yet of course). Release 3 each year for example, each from different years and do it through the website in the same formats as Bruce does.
This forum would be on fire with such product happening and the anticipation to see what unknown show would be released next would make for lively debate on this forum.
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Great idea, so no doubt it will be ignored.
Togg
[QUOTE]
[b]Togg wrote: [/b] Greg, I'd be interested to know (and I fully appreciate it's only your view not the 'official' stance from the band) Why after all these years the 'band' feel it's not worth doing/a priority/enough interest in producing more 70's DVD's?
Is it that they are not happy with the performance? not happy with the quality of the recording? or feel not enough money will be generated by sales to make it worth investing in production?
It's the one thing older fans have been screaming for over the years, yet it always seem to be disregarded by QP However the 74 DVD's were hugely popular with fans, surely they see that 77-9 gigs would be also?
Just asking for your viewpoint on this really, I realise it's out of your control[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing as you didn't answer this Greg, it's one of the issue you have to be descreet on? fair enough if that's the case, I understand the need to be loyal to your employer.
[b]Togg wrote: [/b] Greg, I'd be interested to know (and I fully appreciate it's only your view not the 'official' stance from the band) Why after all these years the 'band' feel it's not worth doing/a priority/enough interest in producing more 70's DVD's?
Is it that they are not happy with the performance? not happy with the quality of the recording? or feel not enough money will be generated by sales to make it worth investing in production?
It's the one thing older fans have been screaming for over the years, yet it always seem to be disregarded by QP However the 74 DVD's were hugely popular with fans, surely they see that 77-9 gigs would be also?
Just asking for your viewpoint on this really, I realise it's out of your control[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing as you didn't answer this Greg, it's one of the issue you have to be descreet on? fair enough if that's the case, I understand the need to be loyal to your employer.
MackMantilla
[QUOTE] [b]GB: Queen Archivist wrote:[/b]
GB: I honestly cannot recall the details now. It would have been a band decision, certainly not mine. I know that we tried very hard to offer as much as was possible on that Rainbow package.
[/QUOTE]
By the way, any news about the lost footage from march show at The Rainbow?
GB: I honestly cannot recall the details now. It would have been a band decision, certainly not mine. I know that we tried very hard to offer as much as was possible on that Rainbow package.
[/QUOTE]
By the way, any news about the lost footage from march show at The Rainbow?
pma
It's a good thing that there's one thing I can count on throughout the years, and that's Queen not giving their fan base the releases they crave for. Oh well, I haven't bought anything for the past 10 years. I'm clearly not part of their target group. Wake me up for the promised box sets, remember those? /member berries
thomasquinn 32989
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Greg, we'd still like to know what you intended to write in reply to my post.
Greg, we'd still like to know what you intended to write in reply to my post.
The Fairy King
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
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Greg, we'd still like to know what you intended to write in reply to my post.[/QUOTE]
Maybe he just QFT'd. :)
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Greg, we'd still like to know what you intended to write in reply to my post.[/QUOTE]
Maybe he just QFT'd. :)
GB: Queen Archivist
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
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Greg, we'd still like to know what you intended to write in reply to my post.[/QUOTE]
GB: Oh !!! I don't know what happened there. I did write a reply, under each point, and then pasted it up... or so I thought. That's annoying. I'm clearly not very good at this posting/replying stuff.
As a matter of fact, I noticed a week or so after I offered this thread, that the lower third of it is missing. I did not notice that at the time, obviously, I just noticed that it ended abruptly and didn't contain several points that I made which some QZ-ers later asked about. I'll pay closer attention next time I post.
I'll see if I can recall what I originally replied and offer it in a minute or two...
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Greg, we'd still like to know what you intended to write in reply to my post.[/QUOTE]
GB: Oh !!! I don't know what happened there. I did write a reply, under each point, and then pasted it up... or so I thought. That's annoying. I'm clearly not very good at this posting/replying stuff.
As a matter of fact, I noticed a week or so after I offered this thread, that the lower third of it is missing. I did not notice that at the time, obviously, I just noticed that it ended abruptly and didn't contain several points that I made which some QZ-ers later asked about. I'll pay closer attention next time I post.
I'll see if I can recall what I originally replied and offer it in a minute or two...
GB: Queen Archivist
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
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Greg, we'd still like to know what you intended to write in reply to my post.[/QUOTE]
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Greg, we'd still like to know what you intended to write in reply to my post.[/QUOTE]
GB: Queen Archivist
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
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Greg, we'd still like to know what you intended to write in reply to my post.[/QUOTE]
GB: I'll try again...
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:
Thomas: Greg: do you understand that many long-time fans feel, at the very least, mocked by the *fact* that over the past years, the kinds of live-releases fans were asking for were dismissed as not interesting to a general public, only to be faced with a box-set for Queen On Air that is interesting only to the most devoted fans, being 50% interview material?
GB: I think 'mocked' is a bit strong, because we've released some extremely good live product in recent years, and we've done it properly and carefully. And now we have the 6 sessions together for the first time ever, meticulously assembled by people that care hugely. And we have 3.5 hours of interesting interviews too, which was/is a significant aspect of the Queen ON AIR story which shouldn't be ignored. I think the devoted fans are doing all right. I honestly do.
Thomas ....But I cannot comprehend why a 6cd deluxe edition of the BBC sessions is supplemented with one disc with *butchered* concert recordings (come on Greg, snippets from THREE concerts on one disc?) and THREE discs with interviews. Are interviews interesting? Absolutely. Are any but the most devoted fans going to listen to them more than a few times? Absolutely not.
GB: The live CD is very far from butchered. You need to wait till you hear it before panning it. The disc offers a sample of three interesting concerts that we would not otherwise have. Would you really want the entire Mannheim gig in addition to both Wembley nights and Budapest?
Thomas: You complain about a lot of the comments you get on QZ. I get that, and you're not wrong. But you (or the people you answer to, I don't know what you do and do not communicate) are also ignoring valuable input from not just fans, but some of the most knowledgeable and competent Queen-fans in the world. We have people on this site who have done much documentary work and research into many aspects of Queen's history, people who work wonders on restoring bootleg recordings and much more. You (meaning everyone at Queen Productions, not just you personally) could benefit greatly from what we have to offer, but you choose not to, and instead lump everyone on the "moaning-trolls" pile.
GB: I am very well aware that there are some extremely knowledgeable fans and experts on QZ. For sure. I've consulted with several people here over the years, and continue to. But I do so privately. There are some great Queen brains here and we do definitely tap into that resource - as I did recently in Montreux and in Holland. I ask people not to come onto QZ and shout about it and they respect that. Otherwise I might get in to deep water.
Thomas: Many other great bands are currently outperforming Queen with the quality of their releases. Archival materials of all kinds are in vogue now. Were the Freddie-box released today, it would be a hot item, but 3 discs of interviews are not. But now you are at risk of missing out on this wave of popularity for these kinds of releases. It is unlikely to last forever.
GB: This isn't really for me to comment on. This is something that the band and record company discuss. I have very little influence on the types of formats we put out, versus those of other artists. I will say this, I think the Freddie box we just put out is very slick and compact, and looks great. Same goes for the QOA products, for the Rainbow products, Hammersmith DVD, Studio Experience box. They are DIFFERENT, maybe, to what others are doing, but surely it's a matter of taste as to which are best and who's 'out performing' who. Queen perform extremely well in the market place. That's a subjective thing too.
Hope this helps. GB
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Greg, we'd still like to know what you intended to write in reply to my post.[/QUOTE]
GB: I'll try again...
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:
Thomas: Greg: do you understand that many long-time fans feel, at the very least, mocked by the *fact* that over the past years, the kinds of live-releases fans were asking for were dismissed as not interesting to a general public, only to be faced with a box-set for Queen On Air that is interesting only to the most devoted fans, being 50% interview material?
GB: I think 'mocked' is a bit strong, because we've released some extremely good live product in recent years, and we've done it properly and carefully. And now we have the 6 sessions together for the first time ever, meticulously assembled by people that care hugely. And we have 3.5 hours of interesting interviews too, which was/is a significant aspect of the Queen ON AIR story which shouldn't be ignored. I think the devoted fans are doing all right. I honestly do.
Thomas ....But I cannot comprehend why a 6cd deluxe edition of the BBC sessions is supplemented with one disc with *butchered* concert recordings (come on Greg, snippets from THREE concerts on one disc?) and THREE discs with interviews. Are interviews interesting? Absolutely. Are any but the most devoted fans going to listen to them more than a few times? Absolutely not.
GB: The live CD is very far from butchered. You need to wait till you hear it before panning it. The disc offers a sample of three interesting concerts that we would not otherwise have. Would you really want the entire Mannheim gig in addition to both Wembley nights and Budapest?
Thomas: You complain about a lot of the comments you get on QZ. I get that, and you're not wrong. But you (or the people you answer to, I don't know what you do and do not communicate) are also ignoring valuable input from not just fans, but some of the most knowledgeable and competent Queen-fans in the world. We have people on this site who have done much documentary work and research into many aspects of Queen's history, people who work wonders on restoring bootleg recordings and much more. You (meaning everyone at Queen Productions, not just you personally) could benefit greatly from what we have to offer, but you choose not to, and instead lump everyone on the "moaning-trolls" pile.
GB: I am very well aware that there are some extremely knowledgeable fans and experts on QZ. For sure. I've consulted with several people here over the years, and continue to. But I do so privately. There are some great Queen brains here and we do definitely tap into that resource - as I did recently in Montreux and in Holland. I ask people not to come onto QZ and shout about it and they respect that. Otherwise I might get in to deep water.
Thomas: Many other great bands are currently outperforming Queen with the quality of their releases. Archival materials of all kinds are in vogue now. Were the Freddie-box released today, it would be a hot item, but 3 discs of interviews are not. But now you are at risk of missing out on this wave of popularity for these kinds of releases. It is unlikely to last forever.
GB: This isn't really for me to comment on. This is something that the band and record company discuss. I have very little influence on the types of formats we put out, versus those of other artists. I will say this, I think the Freddie box we just put out is very slick and compact, and looks great. Same goes for the QOA products, for the Rainbow products, Hammersmith DVD, Studio Experience box. They are DIFFERENT, maybe, to what others are doing, but surely it's a matter of taste as to which are best and who's 'out performing' who. Queen perform extremely well in the market place. That's a subjective thing too.
Hope this helps. GB
BETA215
Wow.
Fireplace
[QUOTE] [b]GB: Queen Archivist wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
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Greg, we'd still like to know what you intended to write in reply to my post.[/QUOTE]
GB: I'll try again...
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:
Thomas: Greg: do you understand that many long-time fans feel, at the very least, mocked by the *fact* that over the past years, the kinds of live-releases fans were asking for were dismissed as not interesting to a general public, only to be faced with a box-set for Queen On Air that is interesting only to the most devoted fans, being 50% interview material?
GB: I think 'mocked' is a bit strong, because we've released some extremely good live product in recent years, and we've done it properly and carefully. And now we have the 6 sessions together for the first time ever, meticulously assembled by people that care hugely. And we have 3.5 hours of interesting interviews too, which was/is a significant aspect of the Queen ON AIR story which shouldn't be ignored. I think the devoted fans are doing all right. I honestly do.
Thomas ....But I cannot comprehend why a 6cd deluxe edition of the BBC sessions is supplemented with one disc with *butchered* concert recordings (come on Greg, snippets from THREE concerts on one disc?) and THREE discs with interviews. Are interviews interesting? Absolutely. Are any but the most devoted fans going to listen to them more than a few times? Absolutely not.
GB: The live CD is very far from butchered. You need to wait till you hear it before panning it. The disc offers a sample of three interesting concerts that we would not otherwise have. Would you really want the entire Mannheim gig in addition to both Wembley nights and Budapest?
Thomas: You complain about a lot of the comments you get on QZ. I get that, and you're not wrong. But you (or the people you answer to, I don't know what you do and do not communicate) are also ignoring valuable input from not just fans, but some of the most knowledgeable and competent Queen-fans in the world. We have people on this site who have done much documentary work and research into many aspects of Queen's history, people who work wonders on restoring bootleg recordings and much more. You (meaning everyone at Queen Productions, not just you personally) could benefit greatly from what we have to offer, but you choose not to, and instead lump everyone on the "moaning-trolls" pile.
GB: I am very well aware that there are some extremely knowledgeable fans and experts on QZ. For sure. I've consulted with several people here over the years, and continue to. But I do so privately. There are some great Queen brains here and we do definitely tap into that resource - as I did recently in Montreux and in Holland. I ask people not to come onto QZ and shout about it and they respect that. Otherwise I might get in to deep water.
Thomas: Many other great bands are currently outperforming Queen with the quality of their releases. Archival materials of all kinds are in vogue now. Were the Freddie-box released today, it would be a hot item, but 3 discs of interviews are not. But now you are at risk of missing out on this wave of popularity for these kinds of releases. It is unlikely to last forever.
GB: This isn't really for me to comment on. This is something that the band and record company discuss. I have very little influence on the types of formats we put out, versus those of other artists. I will say this, I think the Freddie box we just put out is very slick and compact, and looks great. Same goes for the QOA products, for the Rainbow products, Hammersmith DVD, Studio Experience box. They are DIFFERENT, maybe, to what others are doing, but surely it's a matter of taste as to which are best and who's 'out performing' who. Queen perform extremely well in the market place. That's a subjective thing too.
Hope this helps. GB[/QUOTE]
Comprehensive and very clear. Thank you for answering that.
[QUOTE] [b]thomasquinn 32989 wrote:[/b]
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Greg, we'd still like to know what you intended to write in reply to my post.[/QUOTE]
GB: I'll try again...
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:
Thomas: Greg: do you understand that many long-time fans feel, at the very least, mocked by the *fact* that over the past years, the kinds of live-releases fans were asking for were dismissed as not interesting to a general public, only to be faced with a box-set for Queen On Air that is interesting only to the most devoted fans, being 50% interview material?
GB: I think 'mocked' is a bit strong, because we've released some extremely good live product in recent years, and we've done it properly and carefully. And now we have the 6 sessions together for the first time ever, meticulously assembled by people that care hugely. And we have 3.5 hours of interesting interviews too, which was/is a significant aspect of the Queen ON AIR story which shouldn't be ignored. I think the devoted fans are doing all right. I honestly do.
Thomas ....But I cannot comprehend why a 6cd deluxe edition of the BBC sessions is supplemented with one disc with *butchered* concert recordings (come on Greg, snippets from THREE concerts on one disc?) and THREE discs with interviews. Are interviews interesting? Absolutely. Are any but the most devoted fans going to listen to them more than a few times? Absolutely not.
GB: The live CD is very far from butchered. You need to wait till you hear it before panning it. The disc offers a sample of three interesting concerts that we would not otherwise have. Would you really want the entire Mannheim gig in addition to both Wembley nights and Budapest?
Thomas: You complain about a lot of the comments you get on QZ. I get that, and you're not wrong. But you (or the people you answer to, I don't know what you do and do not communicate) are also ignoring valuable input from not just fans, but some of the most knowledgeable and competent Queen-fans in the world. We have people on this site who have done much documentary work and research into many aspects of Queen's history, people who work wonders on restoring bootleg recordings and much more. You (meaning everyone at Queen Productions, not just you personally) could benefit greatly from what we have to offer, but you choose not to, and instead lump everyone on the "moaning-trolls" pile.
GB: I am very well aware that there are some extremely knowledgeable fans and experts on QZ. For sure. I've consulted with several people here over the years, and continue to. But I do so privately. There are some great Queen brains here and we do definitely tap into that resource - as I did recently in Montreux and in Holland. I ask people not to come onto QZ and shout about it and they respect that. Otherwise I might get in to deep water.
Thomas: Many other great bands are currently outperforming Queen with the quality of their releases. Archival materials of all kinds are in vogue now. Were the Freddie-box released today, it would be a hot item, but 3 discs of interviews are not. But now you are at risk of missing out on this wave of popularity for these kinds of releases. It is unlikely to last forever.
GB: This isn't really for me to comment on. This is something that the band and record company discuss. I have very little influence on the types of formats we put out, versus those of other artists. I will say this, I think the Freddie box we just put out is very slick and compact, and looks great. Same goes for the QOA products, for the Rainbow products, Hammersmith DVD, Studio Experience box. They are DIFFERENT, maybe, to what others are doing, but surely it's a matter of taste as to which are best and who's 'out performing' who. Queen perform extremely well in the market place. That's a subjective thing too.
Hope this helps. GB[/QUOTE]
Comprehensive and very clear. Thank you for answering that.