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Saint Jiub
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YourValentine
Anti Semitisn, male supremacy, lack of respect for Non-Muslims among Muslims is really a huge problem. In my country sexual attacks committed by new Muslim refugees dominates the whole refugee discussion and eats into the readiness of people to accept refugees. Not to mention terrorist attacks or attempted terrorist attacks committed by fairly newly arrived refugees.
This has to do with the Trump election because such incidents arouse the latent racism in ANY country and feed the racist minority who tries to end all liberal politics. Right-wing populist parties are on the rise in almost all European countries and endanger the whole EU. Walls have already been built in Hungary, Croatia, Macedonia in order to keep the refugee "stream" out of the EU. We really have to regroup and address the protest in our population or else we will end like the USA: deeply split and hostile. Certainly Trump will do nothing for the white workers but he might build his power on feeding the hatred and inciting racism, racial hatred and xenophobia like all fascists do.
This has to do with the Trump election because such incidents arouse the latent racism in ANY country and feed the racist minority who tries to end all liberal politics. Right-wing populist parties are on the rise in almost all European countries and endanger the whole EU. Walls have already been built in Hungary, Croatia, Macedonia in order to keep the refugee "stream" out of the EU. We really have to regroup and address the protest in our population or else we will end like the USA: deeply split and hostile. Certainly Trump will do nothing for the white workers but he might build his power on feeding the hatred and inciting racism, racial hatred and xenophobia like all fascists do.
Saint Jiub
Germany appears to beginning to recognize the dangers of their open door policy. I hope the security in Germany is improved to prevent another massive 2000 men new years eve sexual assault mob action.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3913578/Merkel-s-migrant-U-turn-Germany-wants-STOP-refugees-reaching-Europe-country-continues-struggle-consequences-open-door-policy.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3913578/Merkel-s-migrant-U-turn-Germany-wants-STOP-refugees-reaching-Europe-country-continues-struggle-consequences-open-door-policy.html
magicalfreddiemercury
[QUOTE] [b]Jesme wrote:[/b]
We, are truly screwed ....[/QUOTE]
I agree. First, because trump is a narcissist who has shown no desire to learn about the way politics work, but would rather play his trigger-happy games on the world stage. He has no core integrity and will sway to the will of whoever compliments him most. He spent the last year - 8 years - vilifying President Obama, then had a 90-minute sit-down with him in the White House and came out talking about what a good man Obama was and how he hoped they'd have "many, many more" consultations. Obama is suave, and no doubt played Trump easily. What's so frightening about that is how well Trump has been and will continue to be played by Putin. He'll come away from conversations with true enemies of the state oblivious to that fact if they make him feel important.
Second, he's an idiot. Or did I say that already?
Third, an ultra-right, anti-everything government now rules all branches of our government. LGBTQ rights, reproductive rights, health care, senior care, clean air, the Supreme Court...will all be fucked over in short order.
Fourth, and possibly the most awful of all, is that 60+million Americans voted for this guy either in spite of, oblivious to or because of his hateful rhetoric. He has successfully brought bigotry, misogyny and white nationalism into the open. These deplorables, as Hillary Clinton called them, who voted for him feel empowered now and have been out in force harassing people already. And people are afraid.
We ARE screwed. Truly. And it's only begun.
We, are truly screwed ....[/QUOTE]
I agree. First, because trump is a narcissist who has shown no desire to learn about the way politics work, but would rather play his trigger-happy games on the world stage. He has no core integrity and will sway to the will of whoever compliments him most. He spent the last year - 8 years - vilifying President Obama, then had a 90-minute sit-down with him in the White House and came out talking about what a good man Obama was and how he hoped they'd have "many, many more" consultations. Obama is suave, and no doubt played Trump easily. What's so frightening about that is how well Trump has been and will continue to be played by Putin. He'll come away from conversations with true enemies of the state oblivious to that fact if they make him feel important.
Second, he's an idiot. Or did I say that already?
Third, an ultra-right, anti-everything government now rules all branches of our government. LGBTQ rights, reproductive rights, health care, senior care, clean air, the Supreme Court...will all be fucked over in short order.
Fourth, and possibly the most awful of all, is that 60+million Americans voted for this guy either in spite of, oblivious to or because of his hateful rhetoric. He has successfully brought bigotry, misogyny and white nationalism into the open. These deplorables, as Hillary Clinton called them, who voted for him feel empowered now and have been out in force harassing people already. And people are afraid.
We ARE screwed. Truly. And it's only begun.
Saint Jiub
Trump is a threat to LGBTQ rights?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/23/us/politics/donald-trump-gay-rights.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/23/us/politics/donald-trump-gay-rights.html
magicalfreddiemercury
[QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
Trump is a threat to LGBTQ rights?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/23/us/politics/donald-trump-gay-rights.html [/QUOTE]
I said: "Third, an ultra-right, anti-everything government now rules all branches of our government. LGBTQ rights, reproductive rights, health care, senior care, clean air, the Supreme Court...will all be fucked over in short order."
So, yes, with all combined, I believe the threat to LGBTQ rights, and all others mentioned above, is very real. A slight glance at his VP pick, alone, would clarify that.
Trump is a threat to LGBTQ rights?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/23/us/politics/donald-trump-gay-rights.html [/QUOTE]
I said: "Third, an ultra-right, anti-everything government now rules all branches of our government. LGBTQ rights, reproductive rights, health care, senior care, clean air, the Supreme Court...will all be fucked over in short order."
So, yes, with all combined, I believe the threat to LGBTQ rights, and all others mentioned above, is very real. A slight glance at his VP pick, alone, would clarify that.
Oscar J
[QUOTE]
"No, they're not ISIS videos." [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]My mistake then.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]"I'm not an alarmist or a propagandist. "[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Hmm.
[i]" That makes it all the more important to tackle the issue today, when (accordign to you) it is a small issue, than wait till it becomes a bigger beast. "[/i]
Textbook alarmism. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE][i]
" Far far greater proportion of Muslims consider non-Muslims (especially polytheists, idol worshipers and other pagans) to be inherently ugly and dirty and worthy of being wiped off the face of the earth. [/i][/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]And you have been known to use amateur video footage as anecdotic evidence for proving points about Muslims before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LjjOJCDDWE
"But, I finally get it. No matter what you see or hear, the left liberal mentality is so so ingrained in your mind that you are blind to different views and information. You are more comfortable in your assumptions and notions than any facts."[/QUOTE]
I hear you, I have read your sources. I'm just still not convinced that there's any reason to worry about islamic terror in USA or Europe. There has been some awful deadly Islamic terror attacks in Europe in the past years, that very much coincide with the invasion of Iraq and the rise and fall of ISIS. And there's 9/11 of course. But the number of terror attacks in USA and Europe has been on the decline since the 70's, and islamic terrorism represents av very small part of the total number.
http://www.datagraver.com/thumbs/1300x1300r/2015-11/t-attacks.png
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/04/16/eight-facts-about-terrorism-in-the-united-states/
I am not blindfolded, not a leftist. I'm just not afraid, and don't see a reason to be. Instead of worrying about our own arses, we should worry about the millions of people suffering in the Middle Ease and Nigeria. That's where terrorism is an everyday occurrence. Yet Trump, and a lot of politicians across Europe, wants to send the few per milles that manage to escape it, back to it all. Because somehow we're sort of fine with violence and suffering going on in countries far from us, if we don't have to deal with comparatively minor issues in our "refugee crises".
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Panchgani: many organisations are 100 years old or more. Not sure what that's got to do with it. It's just that when an organisation's whole agenda is to prove anti-semitism, you have to consider the possibility that when they set out to find it in the Muslim community, they might not have a completely neutral position. And even if you consider their numbers to be true, it looks like they're falling. Yet another reason to stop the alarmism.
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Good post YourValentine, agree with most of it.
"No, they're not ISIS videos." [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]My mistake then.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]"I'm not an alarmist or a propagandist. "[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Hmm.
[i]" That makes it all the more important to tackle the issue today, when (accordign to you) it is a small issue, than wait till it becomes a bigger beast. "[/i]
Textbook alarmism. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE][i]
" Far far greater proportion of Muslims consider non-Muslims (especially polytheists, idol worshipers and other pagans) to be inherently ugly and dirty and worthy of being wiped off the face of the earth. [/i][/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]And you have been known to use amateur video footage as anecdotic evidence for proving points about Muslims before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LjjOJCDDWE
"But, I finally get it. No matter what you see or hear, the left liberal mentality is so so ingrained in your mind that you are blind to different views and information. You are more comfortable in your assumptions and notions than any facts."[/QUOTE]
I hear you, I have read your sources. I'm just still not convinced that there's any reason to worry about islamic terror in USA or Europe. There has been some awful deadly Islamic terror attacks in Europe in the past years, that very much coincide with the invasion of Iraq and the rise and fall of ISIS. And there's 9/11 of course. But the number of terror attacks in USA and Europe has been on the decline since the 70's, and islamic terrorism represents av very small part of the total number.
http://www.datagraver.com/thumbs/1300x1300r/2015-11/t-attacks.png
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/04/16/eight-facts-about-terrorism-in-the-united-states/
I am not blindfolded, not a leftist. I'm just not afraid, and don't see a reason to be. Instead of worrying about our own arses, we should worry about the millions of people suffering in the Middle Ease and Nigeria. That's where terrorism is an everyday occurrence. Yet Trump, and a lot of politicians across Europe, wants to send the few per milles that manage to escape it, back to it all. Because somehow we're sort of fine with violence and suffering going on in countries far from us, if we don't have to deal with comparatively minor issues in our "refugee crises".
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Panchgani: many organisations are 100 years old or more. Not sure what that's got to do with it. It's just that when an organisation's whole agenda is to prove anti-semitism, you have to consider the possibility that when they set out to find it in the Muslim community, they might not have a completely neutral position. And even if you consider their numbers to be true, it looks like they're falling. Yet another reason to stop the alarmism.
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Good post YourValentine, agree with most of it.
ParisNair
[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
Anti Semitisn, male supremacy, lack of respect for Non-Muslims among Muslims is really a huge problem. In my country sexual attacks committed by new Muslim refugees dominates the whole refugee discussion and eats into the readiness of people to accept refugees. Not to mention terrorist attacks or attempted terrorist attacks committed by fairly newly arrived refugees.
[/QUOTE]
I used to work with a lot of Germans in the past (when I was working for Siemens) but not since 2008 or so, so have not got much in the way of first-hand views on the refugee crisis. So I thank you for writing this.
[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
This has to do with the Trump election because such incidents arouse the latent racism in ANY country and feed the racist minority who tries to end all liberal politics. Right-wing populist parties are on the rise in almost all European countries and endanger the whole EU. Walls have already been built in Hungary, Croatia, Macedonia in order to keep the refugee "stream" out of the EU. We really have to regroup and address the protest in our population or else we will end like the USA: deeply split and hostile. Certainly Trump will do nothing for the white workers but he might build his power on feeding the hatred and inciting racism, racial hatred and xenophobia like all fascists do.[/QUOTE]
What you look at as racism and xenophobia, I look at it as a need by a populace to protect their "turf" from unwelcome aliens who don't share the same culture, ethos or values.
What you look at as "protest" in your population, I look at it as abandonment of failed, unreciprocated and hence unsustainable ideals of liberalism. Politicians would of course feed on and milk these sentiments of the people.
I compare this churning in the west to fall of communism in USSR.
Anti Semitisn, male supremacy, lack of respect for Non-Muslims among Muslims is really a huge problem. In my country sexual attacks committed by new Muslim refugees dominates the whole refugee discussion and eats into the readiness of people to accept refugees. Not to mention terrorist attacks or attempted terrorist attacks committed by fairly newly arrived refugees.
[/QUOTE]
I used to work with a lot of Germans in the past (when I was working for Siemens) but not since 2008 or so, so have not got much in the way of first-hand views on the refugee crisis. So I thank you for writing this.
[QUOTE] [b]YourValentine wrote:[/b]
This has to do with the Trump election because such incidents arouse the latent racism in ANY country and feed the racist minority who tries to end all liberal politics. Right-wing populist parties are on the rise in almost all European countries and endanger the whole EU. Walls have already been built in Hungary, Croatia, Macedonia in order to keep the refugee "stream" out of the EU. We really have to regroup and address the protest in our population or else we will end like the USA: deeply split and hostile. Certainly Trump will do nothing for the white workers but he might build his power on feeding the hatred and inciting racism, racial hatred and xenophobia like all fascists do.[/QUOTE]
What you look at as racism and xenophobia, I look at it as a need by a populace to protect their "turf" from unwelcome aliens who don't share the same culture, ethos or values.
What you look at as "protest" in your population, I look at it as abandonment of failed, unreciprocated and hence unsustainable ideals of liberalism. Politicians would of course feed on and milk these sentiments of the people.
I compare this churning in the west to fall of communism in USSR.
ParisNair
[QUOTE] [b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote:[/b]
Fourth, and possibly the most awful of all, is that 60+million Americans voted for this guy either in spite of, oblivious to or because of his hateful rhetoric. He has successfully brought bigotry, misogyny and white nationalism into the open. These deplorables, as Hillary Clinton called them, who voted for him feel empowered now and have been out in force harassing people already. And people are afraid.
[/QUOTE]
You're either kidding, or blind to the riots by Hillary supporters. Why would you not mention it at all?
Fourth, and possibly the most awful of all, is that 60+million Americans voted for this guy either in spite of, oblivious to or because of his hateful rhetoric. He has successfully brought bigotry, misogyny and white nationalism into the open. These deplorables, as Hillary Clinton called them, who voted for him feel empowered now and have been out in force harassing people already. And people are afraid.
[/QUOTE]
You're either kidding, or blind to the riots by Hillary supporters. Why would you not mention it at all?
magicalfreddiemercury
[QUOTE] [b]ParisNair wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote:[/b]
Fourth, and possibly the most awful of all, is that 60+million Americans voted for this guy either in spite of, oblivious to or because of his hateful rhetoric. He has successfully brought bigotry, misogyny and white nationalism into the open. These deplorables, as Hillary Clinton called them, who voted for him feel empowered now and have been out in force harassing people already. And people are afraid.
[/QUOTE]
You're either kidding, or blind to the riots by Hillary supporters. Why would you not mention it at all? [/QUOTE]
Because my comments had nothing to do with Hillary or her supporters, but with trump and what his win in this election means to my country, and possibly the world.
Since I am talking about her supporters now, I'll say I fully support everyone's right to protest, but I think anyone who engages in violence or destruction belongs in their own basket of deplorables.
The difference, in this context, however, is that Hillary Clinton didn't present or encourage that behavior, while trump clearly did - repeatedly and without apology.
[QUOTE] [b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote:[/b]
Fourth, and possibly the most awful of all, is that 60+million Americans voted for this guy either in spite of, oblivious to or because of his hateful rhetoric. He has successfully brought bigotry, misogyny and white nationalism into the open. These deplorables, as Hillary Clinton called them, who voted for him feel empowered now and have been out in force harassing people already. And people are afraid.
[/QUOTE]
You're either kidding, or blind to the riots by Hillary supporters. Why would you not mention it at all? [/QUOTE]
Because my comments had nothing to do with Hillary or her supporters, but with trump and what his win in this election means to my country, and possibly the world.
Since I am talking about her supporters now, I'll say I fully support everyone's right to protest, but I think anyone who engages in violence or destruction belongs in their own basket of deplorables.
The difference, in this context, however, is that Hillary Clinton didn't present or encourage that behavior, while trump clearly did - repeatedly and without apology.
Oscar J
Posting this here as well.
The late Richard Rorty, important american philosopher, foresaw this happening in 1997:
"Members of labor unions, and unorganized unskilled workers, will sooner or later realize that their government is not even trying to prevent wages from sinking or to prevent jobs from being exported. Around the same time, they will realize that suburban white-collar workers—themselves desperately afraid of being downsized—are not going to let themselves be taxed to provide social benefits for anyone else.
At that point, something will crack. The nonsuburban electorate will decide that the system has failed and start looking around for a strongman to vote for—someone willing to assure them that, once he is elected, the smug bureaucrats, tricky lawyers, overpaid bond salesmen, and postmodernist professors will no longer be calling the shots….
One thing that is very likely to happen is that the gains made in the past forty years by black and brown Americans, and by homosexuals, will be wiped out. Jocular contempt for women will come back into fashion…. All the resentment which badly educated Americans feel about having their manners dictated to them by college graduates will find an outlet. "
The late Richard Rorty, important american philosopher, foresaw this happening in 1997:
"Members of labor unions, and unorganized unskilled workers, will sooner or later realize that their government is not even trying to prevent wages from sinking or to prevent jobs from being exported. Around the same time, they will realize that suburban white-collar workers—themselves desperately afraid of being downsized—are not going to let themselves be taxed to provide social benefits for anyone else.
At that point, something will crack. The nonsuburban electorate will decide that the system has failed and start looking around for a strongman to vote for—someone willing to assure them that, once he is elected, the smug bureaucrats, tricky lawyers, overpaid bond salesmen, and postmodernist professors will no longer be calling the shots….
One thing that is very likely to happen is that the gains made in the past forty years by black and brown Americans, and by homosexuals, will be wiped out. Jocular contempt for women will come back into fashion…. All the resentment which badly educated Americans feel about having their manners dictated to them by college graduates will find an outlet. "
Saint Jiub
[QUOTE]
[b]Oscar J wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [/QUOTE] [i]if we don't have to deal with comparatively minor issues in our "refugee crises".[/i][/QUOTE]
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Like last New Year's Eve in Germany?
[url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/10/leaked-document-says-2000-men-allegedly-assaulted-1200-german-women-on-new-years-eve/ ]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/10/leaked-document-says-2000-men-allegedly-assaulted-1200-german-women-on-new-years-eve/[/url]
"Halina Wawzyniak, a lawmaker from the Left Party, told The Washington Post last week that immigration issues and sexual-assault cases should not be linked, as refugees could end up facing a "double punishment" by being deported."
Criminal refugees should not be deported??? ... Get real.
[b]Oscar J wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [/QUOTE] [i]if we don't have to deal with comparatively minor issues in our "refugee crises".[/i][/QUOTE]
...
Like last New Year's Eve in Germany?
[url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/10/leaked-document-says-2000-men-allegedly-assaulted-1200-german-women-on-new-years-eve/ ]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/10/leaked-document-says-2000-men-allegedly-assaulted-1200-german-women-on-new-years-eve/[/url]
"Halina Wawzyniak, a lawmaker from the Left Party, told The Washington Post last week that immigration issues and sexual-assault cases should not be linked, as refugees could end up facing a "double punishment" by being deported."
Criminal refugees should not be deported??? ... Get real.
ParisNair
[QUOTE] [b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote:[/b]
Because my comments had nothing to do with Hillary or her supporters, but with trump and what his win in this election means to my country, and possibly the world.
Since I am talking about her supporters now, I'll say I fully support everyone's right to protest, but I think anyone who engages in violence or destruction belongs in their own basket of deplorables.
The difference, in this context, however, is that Hillary Clinton didn't present or encourage that behavior, while trump clearly did - repeatedly and without apology.
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I missed news of violence by Trump supporters after the election. I'm surprised why they would do it after having won!
Because my comments had nothing to do with Hillary or her supporters, but with trump and what his win in this election means to my country, and possibly the world.
Since I am talking about her supporters now, I'll say I fully support everyone's right to protest, but I think anyone who engages in violence or destruction belongs in their own basket of deplorables.
The difference, in this context, however, is that Hillary Clinton didn't present or encourage that behavior, while trump clearly did - repeatedly and without apology.
[/QUOTE]
I missed news of violence by Trump supporters after the election. I'm surprised why they would do it after having won!
Saint Jiub
[QUOTE]
[b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
Trump is a threat to LGBTQ rights?
[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/23/us/politics/donald-trump-gay-rights.html]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/23/us/politics/donald-trump-gay-rights.html[/url] [/QUOTE]
I said: "Third, an ultra-right, anti-everything government now rules all branches of our government. LGBTQ rights, reproductive rights, health care, senior care, clean air, the Supreme Court...will all be fucked over in short order."
So, yes, with all combined, I believe the threat to LGBTQ rights, and all others mentioned above, is very real. A slight glance at his VP pick, alone, would clarify that.[/QUOTE]
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Do you really think that Trump will be a puppet of Pence?
[url=http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gay-republicans-explain-proudly-supporting-donald-trump/story?id=42977880]http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gay-republicans-explain-proudly-supporting-donald-trump/story?id=42977880[/url]
“Every American has a unique identity. I am proud to be gay. I am proud to be a Republican,” Thiel told a cheering crowd at the RNC in Cleveland this past July.
Thiel made history that night as the first openly gay RNC speaker, and this week he doubled down on his Donald Trump endorsement, donating $1.25 million to his campaign. Thiel sits on the board of Facebook, and so when many in the online community lashed out at him for supporting Trump, Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg stepped in to defend him, writing in a post, “There are many reasons a person might support Trump that do not involve racism, sexism, xenophobia or accepting sexual assault.”
Charles Moran, a gay Trump delegate from California, was standing just feet from the stage at the Republican National Convention when he heard billionaire PayPal co-founder Peter Thielgive his now-famous speech. Despite the fact that Trump’s Christian conservative running mate Mike Pence enacted anti-LGBTQ laws as governor of Indiana, such as the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, Moran said he’s comfortable with Pence because he’s “not running for president.” “The running joke is that it’s so much easier to be gay in the Republican Party than it is to be a Republican in the LGBT community,” he said.
Juan Hernandez is a gay Hispanic Trump supporter who also witnessed Thiel and Trump's history-making speeches at the RNC this summer. But said he has encountered violence for being pro-Trump, adding that an anti-Trump protester attacked him at a Trump rally in San Jose. He said the incident left him with a broken nose and the realization that supporting his candidate in the mostly liberal San Francisco Bay Area can be dangerous. Hernandez says he’s also criticized for being Mexican and still supporting Trump. “They need to listen to the whole thing that he believes,” he said. “He's not against the Mexican culture or the Mexican community -- he's against illegal immigration.”
[b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Panchgani wrote:[/b]
Trump is a threat to LGBTQ rights?
[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/23/us/politics/donald-trump-gay-rights.html]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/23/us/politics/donald-trump-gay-rights.html[/url] [/QUOTE]
I said: "Third, an ultra-right, anti-everything government now rules all branches of our government. LGBTQ rights, reproductive rights, health care, senior care, clean air, the Supreme Court...will all be fucked over in short order."
So, yes, with all combined, I believe the threat to LGBTQ rights, and all others mentioned above, is very real. A slight glance at his VP pick, alone, would clarify that.[/QUOTE]
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Do you really think that Trump will be a puppet of Pence?
[url=http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gay-republicans-explain-proudly-supporting-donald-trump/story?id=42977880]http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gay-republicans-explain-proudly-supporting-donald-trump/story?id=42977880[/url]
“Every American has a unique identity. I am proud to be gay. I am proud to be a Republican,” Thiel told a cheering crowd at the RNC in Cleveland this past July.
Thiel made history that night as the first openly gay RNC speaker, and this week he doubled down on his Donald Trump endorsement, donating $1.25 million to his campaign. Thiel sits on the board of Facebook, and so when many in the online community lashed out at him for supporting Trump, Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg stepped in to defend him, writing in a post, “There are many reasons a person might support Trump that do not involve racism, sexism, xenophobia or accepting sexual assault.”
Charles Moran, a gay Trump delegate from California, was standing just feet from the stage at the Republican National Convention when he heard billionaire PayPal co-founder Peter Thielgive his now-famous speech. Despite the fact that Trump’s Christian conservative running mate Mike Pence enacted anti-LGBTQ laws as governor of Indiana, such as the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, Moran said he’s comfortable with Pence because he’s “not running for president.” “The running joke is that it’s so much easier to be gay in the Republican Party than it is to be a Republican in the LGBT community,” he said.
Juan Hernandez is a gay Hispanic Trump supporter who also witnessed Thiel and Trump's history-making speeches at the RNC this summer. But said he has encountered violence for being pro-Trump, adding that an anti-Trump protester attacked him at a Trump rally in San Jose. He said the incident left him with a broken nose and the realization that supporting his candidate in the mostly liberal San Francisco Bay Area can be dangerous. Hernandez says he’s also criticized for being Mexican and still supporting Trump. “They need to listen to the whole thing that he believes,” he said. “He's not against the Mexican culture or the Mexican community -- he's against illegal immigration.”
Saint Jiub
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[b]ParisNair wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote:[/b]
Because my comments had nothing to do with Hillary or her supporters, but with trump and what his win in this election means to my country, and possibly the world.
Since I am talking about her supporters now, I'll say I fully support everyone's right to protest, but I think anyone who engages in violence or destruction belongs in their own basket of deplorables.
The difference, in this context, however, is that Hillary Clinton didn't present or encourage that behavior, while trump clearly did - repeatedly and without apology. [/QUOTE]
I missed news of violence by Trump supporters after the election. I'm surprised why they would do it after having won![/QUOTE]
Most of the violence is from ultra-radical Clinton supporters ...
[url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/11/violence-erupts-in-portland-riot-as-anti-trump-protests-continue-in-cities-across-the-nation/]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/11/violence-erupts-in-portland-riot-as-anti-trump-protests-continue-in-cities-across-the-nation/[/url]
[b]ParisNair wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]magicalfreddiemercury wrote:[/b]
Because my comments had nothing to do with Hillary or her supporters, but with trump and what his win in this election means to my country, and possibly the world.
Since I am talking about her supporters now, I'll say I fully support everyone's right to protest, but I think anyone who engages in violence or destruction belongs in their own basket of deplorables.
The difference, in this context, however, is that Hillary Clinton didn't present or encourage that behavior, while trump clearly did - repeatedly and without apology. [/QUOTE]
I missed news of violence by Trump supporters after the election. I'm surprised why they would do it after having won![/QUOTE]
Most of the violence is from ultra-radical Clinton supporters ...
[url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/11/violence-erupts-in-portland-riot-as-anti-trump-protests-continue-in-cities-across-the-nation/]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/11/violence-erupts-in-portland-riot-as-anti-trump-protests-continue-in-cities-across-the-nation/[/url]