I agree with both sides here. They're entitled to do what they want and it's nice to still have the guys healthy. On the other hand, they're not playing even nearly well enough for me to be particularly interested in it.
Sebastian · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Possibly your last chance to see Brian May live, and you're missing out on it due to a moral crusade?
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I know it wasn't directed at me, but it can also apply to me in a way. I did have a few chances to see Brian (either with Roger and Adam, or with Kerry) and decided not to, and I don't regret it at all. My seat was occupied by someone who almost certainly enjoyed way more than I would have and my money was saved and invested in something I almost certainly enjoyed way more.
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Are you sure you're a Queen fan, and not just a Freddie fan?
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If Brian had been the one who had kicked it and the tour consisted of Frederick, Roger and the loser from some guitarist contest or something, I wouldn't have attended either.
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Something tells me there will be a lot of people silently regretting that they didn't get to see half of their favourite band live one last time.
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I personally don't, same way I don't regret not having seen Roger Waters, Paul McCartney and others. For some people it is really not that important. If I go to a concert, I don't care if it's someone who used to write magnificent music; I care about the way they're performing then and there. If they're sounding like the average pub cover band, then I'd rather go and see a bloody pub cover band for 5% the ticket prize, and let someone else take my seat.
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
They can do what they want, of course, but it's misleading to say they're "rocking the shit" out of anything. It's all very dull and pedestrian. For example, the New Years Eve show they did 2014-15 was very boring and lacking in energy. [/QUOTE]
That's one of the gigs I deliberately missed out on, even though I was within walking distance (I don't live in London, but I was spending a few days there and it coincided). I honestly don't know if it was any good, but those who did go were raving about it - but then again perhaps it was just because of the semi-religious way they see those people, not because of the actual musical quality of the performance.
Back to Bob's point, let's imagine that had been my very last chance to see them live. Let's pretend they all died the next day. Would I have regretted it then? We shall never know, but I'm inclined to say no: if that would've been their very last concert, then it was even more fitting that 'my' place was taken by someone who - probably - genuinely wanted to see them and genuinely had a good time.
[QUOTE] [b]dudley-fufkin 7834 wrote:[/b]
stop holding on to the past, release the archives [/QUOTE]
That's an oxymoron if I ever saw one. If they stopped holding on to the past then it'd be a matter of destroying the archives rather than releasing them. Or perhaps it is (some of) us who are holding on to the past as well... not that there's anything wrong with that.
The way I see it:
- 'I love how that reality programme loser sings and I want to see them': Absolutely fine (even though I personally disagree).
- 'I think that reality programme loser is better than Frederick': Absolutely fine (even though I personally strongly disagree).
- 'I think they sound better now than in the 70's': Absolutely fine (even though I personally really strongly disagree).
- 'I prefer to hear a song that didn't make it to their worst album than going to a concert of theirs right now': Absolutely fine (and that's my case).
- 'Because I don't like this collab, they should retire': Absolutely deluded (they don't owe anything to anyone).
I suppose, depending on how you defined 'holding on to the past', we'd all be guilty of it one way or another. My way of holding on to the past, regarding Queen, is listening to - and briefly analysing - their 1971 - 1991 catalogue (and sometimes the 1980 - 1995 bits and pieces that make up 'Made in Heaven'), and there's nothing wrong with that; others prefer to focus on what they do right now and there's nothing wrong with that either. What I do find wrong is demanding others (or them) to fit whichever happens to be your position.
jozef · Member since
RS_Protos:
"I agree with "dudley-fufkin 7834". Also great points from Seb and I understand it's their choice but sometimes dignity and pride is more important than money. I think what they are doing now is ridiculous with AL. They are coming to my city and my choice is not to go even though i've been a fan for over 35 years, I don't want to see this crap. For me its ruining the image of Queen in my mind, this is my choice and I dont want to tell other people what to do, if they like it good for them."
I agree with you absolutely.
dudley-fufkin 7834 · Member since
are you brian may, sebastian?
Costa86 · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]RS_Protos wrote:[/b]
They are coming to my city and my choice is not to go even though i've been a fan for over 35 years, I don't want to see this crap.[/QUOTE]
Possibly your last chance to see Brian May live, and you're missing out on it due to a moral crusade?
Are you sure you're a Queen fan, and not just a Freddie fan?
Let's not forget that even five years from now seeing Brian and Roger probably won't even be an option. Something tells me there will be a lot of people silently regretting that they didn't get to see half of their favourite band live one last time.
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Seeing Brian May live was great. It was worth going to a Queen+AL show just to hear him. So much better to hear it in person - an amazing sound.
Vocal harmony · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Costa86 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]RS_Protos wrote:[/b]
They are coming to my city and my choice is not to go even though i've been a fan for over 35 years, I don't want to see this crap.[/QUOTE]
Possibly your last chance to see Brian May live, and you're missing out on it due to a moral crusade?
Are you sure you're a Queen fan, and not just a Freddie fan?
Let's not forget that even five years from now seeing Brian and
Roger probably won't even be an option. Something tells me there will be a lot of people silently regretting that they didn't get to see half of their favourite band live one last time.
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Seeing Brian May live was great. It was worth going to a Queen+AL show just to hear him. So much better to hear it in person - an amazing sound.[/QUOTE]
That's it in a nut shell for many of us. So much of the identifiable Queen sound comes from Brian's guitar work which is why, if you like Lambert or can accept the fact Freddie isn't there, it works.
Calling their shows crap because you don't like the singer or the fact they're still touring is childish and narrow minded.
RS_Protos · Member since
Maybe I am narrow minded and to me it's still crap. I've seen Q+AL in the US before and to me it was degrading because of AL. I'm a huge BM fan and guitar player(RS guitars etc...) but personally i cant except it maybe is the word, not sure.....for me Paul Rodgers was a more classic fit and queen feel. AL's singing, moves, etc, is very annoying to me and as much as i want to go just for BM and RT it's hard.
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]RS_Protos wrote:[/b]
for me Paul Rodgers was a more classic fit and queen feel.[/QUOTE]
You're in the minority there.
Most people who rejected him at the time did so because his bluesy delivery couldn't have been further away from Queen (which is precisely what Brian and Roger found attractive).
And now they've got a guy with the flamboyance factor and who's more faithful to the originals, and people think he's "too close" to Freddie to the point of being an insult.
They just can't win.
Sebastian · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
They just can't win.
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They're doing what they love, doing it well and earning really good money for it. They've already won.
jozef · Member since
"They're doing what they love, doing it well and earning really good money for it. They've already won."
... And I won too :-) ...
Such 10 -15 years ago, I devoured every their word and watched all articles and information about them (I saw Q+PR in 2005 and 2008). Today, they are dead for me. My win is that I've got plenty space to discover other musical worlds and music Queen has moved to the side level ... Q+AL is for me an absolute fetid basement ... People should know when to walk away with head held high ...
Vocal harmony · Member since
When the PR tours were announced I was quiet excited by the thought of the songs having a different feel. I fairly quickly accepted that Paul Rodgers wasn't Freddie and if we were going to ever see Queen live in an format this was the only chance. I enjoyed the shows although I always felt it was more like a Paul Rodgers show with (the 2) members of Queen rather than a Queen show.
The addition of Jamie Moses produced a different approach from Brian which sounded different to the classic years. The Free and Bad Co songs seemed to sit better with the musicians and of course the singer than most of the Queen material. The look of the production on both outings just didn't have that Queen look to it, both stage and lights looked like they'd raided a parts bin from other artists tours!
The U.K. Hall of fame show is interesting. To me the blues tinged vocal on Champions was great, but from then to the last show Rodgers played with them it was never bettered. Usually singers grow into the songs over time, Paul Rodgers never did.
With Lambert, I wasn't sure. My line was always give him a chance and see what happens before shooting him down. It was a slow start and he was really thrown in the deep end. I've now seen a few shows with him and it feels more like a band pulling in the same direction, much more Queen than it was with PR. Those who say his voice doesn't suit everything are right, but that could be said of Rodgers too. Lambert has improved too and appears more comfortable with the songs than he was at the start.
The production they tour with looks a lot more Queen like too. And Brian is back as The guitarist rather than A guitarist. Standing watching the last shows the atmosphere, sound and look all felt closer to Queen than the 2005 to 09 period
Whether or not people like Adam Lambert or like the fact the band are still touring is a matter of personal opinion, but none of us have the right to say they shouldn't be doing it. They are musicians, and musicians play music. Most play to a handful in a bar or club, some are lucky enough to sell tickets. If you can sell tickets in there 10's of thousands to people who enjoy what you do then that what you'll do.
As someone pointed out, in five years time all of this will be history. Be part of it if you want, if you don't then don't moan about it and complain just don't buy a ticket
Sebastian · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Vocal harmony wrote:[/b]
Whether or not people like Adam Lambert or like the fact the band are still touring is a matter of personal opinion, but none of us have the right to say they shouldn't be doing it. They are musicians, and musicians play music. Most play to a handful in a bar or club, some are lucky enough to sell tickets. If you can sell tickets in there 10's of thousands to people who enjoy what you do then that what you'll do.
As someone pointed out, in five years time all of this will be history. Be part of it if you want, if you don't then don't moan about it and complain just don't buy a ticket[/QUOTE]
Perfect. I agree with every word.
RS_Protos · Member since
After all, he's part of the family now: https://youtu.be/G1IU70hxQ6Y
All AL fans can buy the Q-3D book too, he's included in the end of the book, yipppeeee, got to get that extra cash i guess.....
Wiley · Member since
I've welcomed and seized almost every opportunity to see them live between 2005 and 2014.
Even before that, I remember two unsuccessful opportunities, one in 2002 when they decided not to play Party in the Park after being in the bill and in 2004 when Brian pulled out of Eric Clapton's Crossroads Festival just because he was tired, busy or whatever. Both times I was in the audience.
I've never taken it for granted because I remember how rare this was between 1999 and 2004. Hell, I was pumped when they played WWRY with 5ive at the Brits!
"Why couldn't they just TOUR?!", I thought, with George Michael, Robbie Williams, whatever the latest rumor was.
Then Paul Rodgers happened... and it was great (to me).
I think the collaboration had much more musical merit than the Lambert gigs and I even liked some ideas in The Cosmos Rocks (not so much the execution).
Although I must say that Adam Lambert has grown into the part and every appearance and tour has been better than the one before. I'm honestly surprised about how much the general public have accepted him -especially in the U.S.!- and I'm glad, if only to see Dr. Clogs taking the Old Lady for a spin once again.
Rock on!
ITSM · Member since
I watched YouTube and automatically Queen + A.L. came on with We are the Champions. It was weird, especially when he sang You brought me fame and fortune and everything that goes with it, I thank you all.
May and Taylor looks like a parody of themselves, I think it's kinda sad. Of course they can do what they want, but it's not my cup of tea. Sorry, had to get it out.
Hot Space I like, great for cleaning the apartment! And Cool Cat is great any sunny day!
