clarification of Thor Arnold's role in Freddie's life

c.jory wrote:

Thor, you didn't burst the Saint Mary bubble - as people have said, she did that herself, turning on everyone before Freddie had gone cold.

She didn't turn on anyone that is a LIE. THEY turned on her. Even Phoebe now admits that Jim lied about them being unceremoniously thrown out,

It is Freddie who chose not to allow them to remain in the house. If Freddie had wanted them to stay, he would've made provisions in his will for it.

How stupid does someone have to be to believe the bullshit that Freddie would've expected Mary to adopt three middle-aged men providing room and board for them and keeping them employed even though she had no real need for them.

c.jory wrote:

She even objected to the band receiving his quarter of the royalties (for the last 4 Queen albums) in his will,

That is another lie.

1. She never objected to them getting the 25% share, she objected to them not appreciating Freddie’s generosity.
2. He didn't leave the band a quarter of the royalties in his will. That is not in the will.
3. She was referring to a CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT that was made when Freddie was ill. (and IMO, Brian, Roger and John taking advantage of his illness ). Instead of each member getting 100% royalties for the song that they wrote. Now they all shared writing credit. Since Freddie’s songs tended to be the most lucrative, Brian, John and Roger would now benefit from songs they didn't necessarily write.

c.jory wrote:

and according to Freddie's mother she stopped speaking to the Bulsaras too...

Another lie. We don't know why they stopped talking. It may be because Kash begrudged Mary what Freddie gave her.

But what we do know is that Mary had the family over to Garden Lodge in 1993 to say prayers before Mary put Freddie’s ashes in their final, resting place. We don't know if she shared with the Bulsara’s Freddie’s final resting place.

c.jory wrote: whilst simultaneously claiming everyone abandoned HER because she wasn't generous like Freddie (!)

If she was abandoned by them, likely due to their jealousies over money, she had every right to express her disappointment in that.

c.jory wrote:

It seems they tried to make an effort with her only to have the doors repeatedly slammed in their faces,

That didn’t happen.

c.jory wrote:

with people like ex manager John Reid claiming she said "yes but I won in the end, didn't I!" when he tried to console her.

Listen. First of all, I don’t believe that bullshit story from a book written by an ex-waiter from “Heaven” who thinks that qualifies him as a medical expert on AIDS.

But for the sake of argument, John Reid was a nasty piece of work. Likely Jealous of Mary himself.

THEY were trying to compete with her. She didn’t NEED to compete with them because she already KNEW her place in Freddie’s life.

So when she said “I won” it was like saying.... “well if they thought they were competing with me, then they lost”. Which is a PERFECTLY VALID comment considering how arrogantly entitled Joe, Jim and Phoebe felt to Freddie’s estate.

c.jory wrote:

It's thanks to her that many fans have a certain hostility towards his gay friends, (her comments have resulted in some fans' latent homophobia rearing its ugly head). She said in an interview most of them were there for the 'free gifts, concert tickets and the booze' and people believe her.

Because they WERE there for the free gifts, concert tickets and the drugs and booze. Thor himself talks about how they would take cash from Freddie.

She didn't object to their sexuality, she objected to how they mooched off of him.

It is completely unfair to accuse everyone who disagree with you as homophobes.

Especially ironic given how much your hatred for Mary seems to stem from internalized misogyny and sexism. Now THAT is rich.

c.jory wrote:

Phoebe's made it clear though that you New York friends were not using him, but because Mary was his trusted friend, people tend to believe her words over Peter Freestone's and now have the impression he was sucked dry by a bunch of gay layabouts!

Phoebe has revealed himself to be a leech off of Freddie as well. So of course he defends his fellow leeches.

People believe her because what she said is self-evidently true.

c.jory wrote:

I think it's a bit rich coming from a woman who was on his payroll since 1977, just for being his friend.

What is rich is your hypocritical double standards.

First of all, it was Hutton, your Lord and Savior, that was 1000% financially dependant on Freddie.

There is a reason why Freddie didn't even trust Hutton enough to tell him where he wanted his final resting place to be, much less put him in charge of it.

Mary, actually WORKED HARD and EARNED for what she got. She was indispensable to Freddie.

She wasn't just a middle-aged attic dweller wannabe part-time gardener who couldn’t keep his job because he was too lazy to study to become a hairdresser and was only a gentleman’s barber.

Freddie was a NOTORIOUS spender, but because of Mary, he was still able to afford all he had AND pay for the most expensive private healthcare without going bankrupt.

Freddie made Mary an OFFICER of his companies. A true business partner. She RAN his companies for him. To the point that Freddie said: ”All I have to do is throw my carcass around on stage... [Mary] works in my organisation and looks after my money side and all my possessions. She's in charge of the chauffeurs, maids, gardeners, accountants and lawyers. “

While Freddie was sick he could count on Mary to keep things running for him. She managed all his finances so he wouldn't have to worry about running out of money for his private medical care.

David Evans:

Freddie never had much idea of money. Mary always took care of that. Always. Indeed as late as 1991, he confided to me that he was very worried about running short of money as his medical treatments appeared prohibitively expensive. I assured him that even without studying his bank balances, he had absolutely no need to be concerned and that Mary would have told him if he was at all a candidate for penury."

Katie Logan/VILLERS/Queen_Memes.kl and c.jory/Renata Cafferelli/Kirstie Day are responsible for a LOT of misinformation. A LOT.

TIME FOR THEIR SHIT TO BE CLEANED UP

thundergod wrote:


Here is a Freddie quote just for you. Freddie loved his new short haired, moustached look in the early eighties. He even told us,"Ooooh dear, during that whole long hair and outrageous clothes thing, I knew I looked ridiculous... BUT IT WORKED!."

Thor,

Freddie said that exact line in multiple interviews. I’m sorry, but much of your knowledge of Freddie seem to be anecdotes you’ve picked up from various interviews and books.

Makes it seem that your experiences with Freddie were cliche’ and shallow and not as frequent as you portray.

Freddie Dearie: -Katie Logan/VILLERS/Queen_Memes.kl and c.jory/Renata Cafferelli/Kirstie Day are responsible for a LOT of misinformation. A LOT.-


please add KL's docile barking dog and super troll : Dustin Zimmerman aka Jose Calvo aka Joseph Straton.
KL is also known as Jamila K. among others in cyperspace.
None of these people have any connection to LGBT concerns in real life.
Renata C ( Laurie) is an an author of straight FM fan porn fiction.


Anyways, this lenghty thread has been amazing . They must be a feat for PHD students in psychiatry specializing in star struck weirdos.

Yes, true...they created a lot of accounts! They wrote a lot of LIES on the web!! They wrote a lot of negative things about Freddie's women and they said that he talked about his relationship with the actress, Barbara Valentin in one of his interview (an uncut version of one of David Wigg's interview). I talked with a couple of 'veterans' (they love Freddie from the start and they know everything about him and his interviews, pics and so on) and they told me that there isn't an uncut version of one of David Wigg's interview. So surprise surprise this is an INEXISTENT interview!!! Then they created a weird autograph page and again surprise surprise a lot of things weren't GENUINE! I talked with a couple of experts, And then one of them created a blog in which she talked about Freddie's sexuality (their obsession)...full of lies. They ALTERED a lot of stories. They live in their world...full of fantasies. We are here to read the truth...we don't need to read these things!

Delilah546 wrote:

Yes, true...they created a lot of accounts! They wrote a lot of LIES on the web!! They wrote a lot of negative things about Freddie's women and they said that he talked about his relationship with the actress, Barbara Valentin in one of his interview (an uncut version of one of David Wigg's interview). I talked with a couple of 'veterans' (they love Freddie from the start and they know everything about him and his interviews, pics and so on) and they told me that there isn't an uncut version of one of David Wigg's interview. So surprise surprise this is an INEXISTENT interview!!! Then they created a weird autograph page and again surprise surprise a lot of things weren't GENUINE! I talked with a couple of experts, And then one of them created a blog in which she talked about Freddie's sexuality (their obsession)...full of lies. They ALTERED a lot of stories. They live in their world...full of fantasies. We are here to read the truth...we don't need to read these things!

I agree they made it up. This conspiracy theory that Wigg had a comment about Mary as ”the last woman” is ridiculous.

LilMal wrote:

Freddie Dearie: -Katie Logan/VILLERS/Queen_Memes.kl and c.jory/Renata Cafferelli/Kirstie Day are responsible for a LOT of misinformation. A LOT.-


please add KL's docile barking dog and super troll : Dustin Zimmerman aka Jose Calvo aka Joseph Straton.
KL is also known as Jamila K. among others in cyperspace.
None of these people have any connection to LGBT concerns in real life.
Renata C ( Laurie) is an an author of straight FM fan porn fiction.


Anyways, this lenghty thread has been amazing . They must be a feat for PHD students in psychiatry specializing in star struck weirdos.

LilMal, check your PM’s please.

Villiers wrote:

LOTV wrote:

captainjory wrote:

Shvili wrote:

If I remember correctly from one of those documentaries about Freddie, it was pointed out that Barbara was sort of a matchmaker, or a go between for gay dudes in Munich. Allegedly, she'd also participate with these guys, if you know what I mean. Seriously doubt that Freddie had any romantic feelings for her.

I can understand her being a matchmaker, but how many gay men would want some big sag-titted woman in the bed with them? In the bad John Blunt docu-drama it implied she was in bed with Freddie and Winnie.

To believe this, you'd have to accept that not only Freddie was bi, but also Winnie. And that gay men would be okay with her watching. It's just TOO WEIRD.

Lesley Ann Jones has a lot to answer for. And Babs V.

I don't give a shit about Valentine, she's a side show. But who can say for sure that Fred didn't get absolutely off his chest rug and indulge in some casual sex with both genders? Doesn't mean he wasn't gay, it means he was high as a kite. It was a very dark and hedonistic time for him remember. Equally some straights guys have sucked a cock or had their cocks sucked by men, it happens sometimes.

That said I will take Thor's word for it that it was very very unlikely.

I wouldn't worry too much about people bi-bleaching him or whatever. Doesn't really matter does it?

Considering it's part of his story and who he was... Yes, it does matter. Sorry but again, even with coke galore, a gay man is not going to do that. And as for who knows for sure that he didn't.... Freddie lol. He told both Chris Taylor and Jim that it never happened. So... Ill take Freddie's word for it.

Listen I don't believe Freddie slept with Barbara mostly because she just comes off as a liar.

But this idea that gay men are so REVOLTED by women that they wouldn't sexually play with each other is ridiculous.

I personally witnessed this with friends of mine, she and her gay friend and his partner we're thick as thieves. They were all kinda wild and yes did some drink g and drugs,

On more then one occasion they would play sexual games together, just because they were horny and liked to be outrageous. They never had intercourse, but they would often get in bed naked together after a long night of partying, more often than not naked.

They told me they would discuss and show their body parts, in a joking manner etc.,

Again, they never had intercourse... But they liked to be wild and act outrageous.

And for the record, one of the guys was a Gold Star gay. Had never had sex with a woman, so no, at least he was not bi sexual.

It was all fun and a joke to them. And the games would start when they were drunk/high. The game was to act debauched, be shocking.

I more than once heard him say.. “this will get them talking”.

I repeat, I am NOT claiming this happened with Freddie and Barbara. I think she’s lying because of the kind of person she seems to be. A wannabe.

But this talk about gay men like they all believe women have cooties and would NEVER touch one sexually with a 10 foot pole is really painting all gay men with one brush.

I’m straight. But I certainly had my ”experimental” days, and under certain circumstances, I could sleep with a woman, for fun...

If I have an itch on my back that I cant reach and I used the corner of a wall to rub against to satiate that itch... Does that suddenly , make me a ”wallsexual”?

Sometimes people do things because they have a sort, of sexual itch, and they just want it scratched.

You can close your eyes and pretend you’re with someone else, but touch is touch feels good no matter who’s doing it.

I certainly went through times in my life where I liked busting all conventionality and expectations. And that wild side where lose inhibitions can STILL come out in me on occasion,

I just find it ridiculous this ”REAL gay men don't do that” ”gay men would NEVER” stuff close-minded and naive.

And for the record, I can't stand Barbara, but all this talk about her being fat and having drooping titles is grossly misogynistic and unnecessary. Nothing sadder than an internalized sexist chauvinist.

There's plenty of reasons to dislike Barbara without body shaming her.

I hate the fact that a couple of fans tell lies & that they alter the stories about Freddie and the others on purpose but I don't hate the people who were close to him. I mean, who are we to judge them? Were we there? Did we know them personally? Did we know the truth? No! Barbara was very close to him and he loved her and It's clear. Freddie was a very private man and Barbara respected him a lot in fact she didn't write a book about him and so on. Reinhold Mack told different times that Freddie wanted to stop the gay thing to create a family. And Mary told that a part of him wanted a family...Freddie loved the souls and not the bodies...he didn't like the labels!

Delilah,

I don't think much of what you said is true,

Delilah, I think Mack misunderstood Freddie I think he really enjoyed spending time there and with the kids he had such a spirited personality it seemed. But he had struggled so in his young adult life coming to terms with his sexuality I think it was a great weight off his shoulders. He loved men everything about them. The way they looked , smelled, he liked them a little chubby too.He was just gay and people have to accept him for that as much as they accepted the musician. They were the same guy in the 70s that was in such pain in misery that came out all over his music. He didn’t want to hurt Mary or Barbara or any female but he just wasn’t wired to be anybody but who he was and that’s ok and the rest of the world needs to stop wondering because in my opinion once he came out to himself the sky looked a different color.

We can only talk about personal opinions...we'll never know the truth and it's not our business.