Icy, it is great that John was part of the band, but he chose not to tour with them. You can see him up there during BR. Since when do they show the composers of a song when someone else is singing them? I really don't get that part at all. John doesn't have to approve QAL as I don't care what he thinks. He must not be opposed or they probably wouldn't be doing this. As long as the money keeps coming in, I am sure he is fine with all of that. Do other bands show the old band members when they switch them out or they die? I don't remember Iron Maiden showing the old singer. I just don't think that is done. Why would you want to remind everyone of a singer who is no longer in the band? Freddie is of coure an exception and he IS shown and homage is paid to him and he is often mentioned during the course of the concert. So how much is enough, without it reminding everyone too much of him and perhaps lessening their enjoyment of the concert? I have never heard this complaint other than from a few die hard Queen fans. I am not totally sure that the fans going to the shows would feel a lot better (like you do) with more John (don't think too many folks care about that one!) and they think proper respect is already given to Freddie. You may be an outlier here. If you just want to see Freddie and John, you can stay home and watch youtubes! Millions go even though they know neither John nor Freddie are really making any appearances!
[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]
Icy, it is great that John was part of the band, but he chose not to tour with them. You can see him up there during BR. Since when do they show the composers of a song when someone else is singing them? I really don't get that part at all. John doesn't have to approve QAL as I don't care what he thinks. He must not be opposed or they probably wouldn't be doing this. As long as the money keeps coming in, I am sure he is fine with all of that. Do other bands show the old band members when they switch them out or they die? I don't remember Iron Maiden showing the old singer. I just don't think that is done. Why would you want to remind everyone of a singer who is no longer in the band? Freddie is of coure an exception and he IS shown and homage is paid to him and he is often mentioned during the course of the concert. So how much is enough, without it reminding everyone too much of him and perhaps lessening their enjoyment of the concert? I have never heard this complaint other than from a few die hard Queen fans. I am not totally sure that the fans going to the shows would feel a lot better (like you do) with more John (don't think too many folks care about that one!) and they think proper respect is already given to Freddie. You may be an outlier here. If you just want to see Freddie and John, you can stay home and watch youtubes! Millions go even though they know neither John nor Freddie are really making any appearances![/QUOTE]
Brian and Roger were obviously a huge part of Queen. Both are obviously a huge part of Q+AL., I dare say Brian and Roger are the most important parts of Q+AL.
I shake my head sometimes after reading what some Glamberts say.
You don't understand why I would like to see more and hear more of Freddie and John during Q+AL shows? Both were incredibly talented men and I feel like they deserve to be recognized for what they did for Queen. For sure, a hell of a lot more than what is currently in these shows. After all this time, you bet I think those two men should be shown more. Their talent is legendary, rightfully so, I think.
People still care for John and Freddie. What gave you the impression that no one cares about John? Ouch at the things said by Glamberts at times.
I've said before but I will say it again. The reason why into streams, etc is mostly for Brian and Roger, and of course the Queen music. I keep hoping against hope DOOL will be performed again.
Brian and Roger want to squeeze AL is as much as possible in these shows. That doesn't sit well with me, even worse when it means less of a chance for Freddie and John to be shown.
I've never had a problem with anyone who attends these shows, or have not attended.
I watch and listen to my Queen stuff with Freddie and John. I watch and listen to Q+AL streams, videos etc. You can tell my loyalty is for Queen with Freddie and John. Every member of Queen literally worked their asses off, even one member while he was very ill. That might not mean much to you, but it does for me.
I wonder if the other people who post here feel the way you do. Vocal Harmony, Holly, rockchic, Wizard, runner, happystar...I genuinely would like their thoughts if they feel Freddie and John are shown enough or not enough during these shows.Maybe they will share how they feel about it, maybe not.
On the one hand it is a pity that they are not shown too much - on the other hand I feel it is better because showing Freddie next to this "thing" is just utter laughable and means to sell this tool to justify him destroyingthe songs with his screaming voice.
Better distance Freddie and John from this tragedy. I wish John would give ONE interview or would write a book. I dont think Maylor would get too much praise for theit actions since Made in Heaven (which was the last project regarding Queen for me)
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On the one hand it is a pity that they are not shown too much - on the other hand I feel it is better because showing Freddie next to this "thing" is just utter laughable and means to sell this tool to justify him destroyingthe songs with his screaming voice.
Better distance Freddie and John from this tragedy. I wish John would give ONE interview or would write a book. I dont think Maylor would get too much praise for theit actions since Made in Heaven (which was the last project regarding Queen for me)[/QUOTE]
John retired for personal reasons, nothing to do with any of their collabs and since he's still getting royalties and they are successful why would he care. And as to Adam/the show being laughable, the only laughable thing is that people like you constantly put them down as being crap despite all eveidence to the contrary. Queen fans wouldn't constantly go to these shows if they were crap, that's just you being petty because it's not Freddie. It's pretty selfish IMO to not see that Brian & Roger deserve to still be out there playing the music they helped create simply because Freddie was taken too soon.
Opinions are like Assholes!
Every original composer who writes opera or classical music (and is now dead) worked his ass off as you put it. Doesn't mean that new singers are not constantly singing their music and pictures of the original composer is not shown at the opera or classical hall. It might be in the program, but that is about it. I am not sure why Queen is any different, although it is more current, but still the same kind of a thing? Most people who are in the entertainment business and are successful, work their asses off, but Broadway switches actors, movies are remade and new singers sing old tunes. That is just how it is! Why is Freddie different? He is shown so much love and appreciation during the concert and I think it is way more than is usual. Not sure how much grumbling there should be about this.
Broadway and opera to Freddie. What a comparison ffs...
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Broadway and opera to Freddie. What a comparison ffs... [/QUOTE]
Ever heard of analogies?
[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]
Every original composer who writes opera or classical music (and is now dead) worked his ass off as you put it. Doesn't mean that new singers are not constantly singing their music and pictures of the original composer is not shown at the opera or classical hall. It might be in the program, but that is about it. I am not sure why Queen is any different, although it is more current, but still the same kind of a thing? Most people who are in the entertainment business and are successful, work their asses off, but Broadway switches actors, movies are remade and new singers sing old tunes. That is just how it is! Why is Freddie different? He is shown so much love and appreciation during the concert and I think it is way more than is usual. Not sure how much grumbling there should be about this.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, you grumbled when Nate joined Brian and Roger for ONE song because you thought he sang awful. I'm pointing out that I wish there was more Freddie and John during these shows. Because frankly, they deserve it. It would take nothing away from the shows for example if Roger sang DOOL every now and then. I think it would add to it. You think no one cares about John, and Freddie is shown enough as it is, and I disagree with that.
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[QUOTE] [b]runner_70 wrote:[/b]
On the one hand it is a pity that they are not shown too much - on the other hand I feel it is better because showing Freddie next to this "thing" is just utter laughable and means to sell this tool to justify him destroyingthe songs with his screaming voice.
Better distance Freddie and John from this tragedy. I wish John would give ONE interview or would write a book. I dont think Maylor would get too much praise for theit actions since Made in Heaven (which was the last project regarding Queen for me)[/QUOTE]
John retired for personal reasons, nothing to do with any of their collabs and since he's still getting royalties and they are successful why would he care. And as to Adam/the show being laughable, the only laughable thing is that people like you constantly put them down as being crap despite all eveidence to the contrary. Queen fans wouldn't constantly go to these shows if they were crap, that's just you being petty because it's not Freddie. It's pretty selfish IMO to not see that Brian & Roger deserve to still be out there playing the music they helped create simply because Freddie was taken too soon.
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John had something to say about Robbie Williams covering watch few years back. He didn't sound pleased.
No one here knows how John feels about Q+'s in the past few years, I'm thinking we may never know.
What is selfish to me, is that AL is squeezed in every where possible during these shows, and that means less of Freddie and John.
I do know this much. Many of my friends on the internet go to Q+AL because of Brian and Roger. That's who they want to see play, and yes some of them feel the way I do about Freddie and John.
I love it when Brian sings LOML, I wish Roger would sing DOOL as a tribute to Freddie and John. That's more of a tribute to me, than the way some think Brian passing the Coronet to AL.
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
John had something to say about Robbie Williams covering watch few years back. He didn't sound pleased.
No one here knows how John feels about Q+'s in the past few years, I'm thinking we may never know.
What is selfish to me, is that AL is squeezed in every where possible during these shows, and that means less of Freddie and John.
I do know this much. Many of my friends on the internet go to Q+AL because of Brian and Roger. That's who they want to see play, and yes some of them feel the way I do about Freddie and John.
I love it when Brian sings LOML, I wish Roger would sing DOOL as a tribute to Freddie and John. That's more of a tribute to me, than the way some think Brian passing the Coronet to AL. [/QUOTE]
I know what John thought about Robbie and you're right we probably never will hear from John about anything, he seems to have become almost a recluse, certainly he doesn't keep in touch with Brian & Roger.
In the case of John, since he's alive and chose to retire I don't see that in the same way as Freddie. They do show him in the montage when they do DOOL, no idea why they only do it sporadically, I've never heard them talk about it in interview so it's anyone's guess why Roger seems to do AKOM more. They did it at the show I saw and I loved it.
Regarding showing Freddie, I think they get it just right with the parts they show. I go to a show to have a great time, enjoy the music, sing a long and have fun, I don't want to go and be reminded of the fact Freddie's no longer here and have it turn into a nostalgic trip down memory lane for half the night, to me that wouldn't work, it's not what going to a show is about, and I personally think it wouldn't be fair to Adam either, every night he goes out there part of what he has to do is win over the audience, to me that would be made a lot harder if Freddie kept appearing, and would just lead to comparisons in people's minds.
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[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
John had something to say about Robbie Williams covering watch few years back. He didn't sound pleased.
No one here knows how John feels about Q+'s in the past few years, I'm thinking we may never know.
What is selfish to me, is that AL is squeezed in every where possible during these shows, and that means less of Freddie and John.
I do know this much. Many of my friends on the internet go to Q+AL because of Brian and Roger. That's who they want to see play, and yes some of them feel the way I do about Freddie and John.
I love it when Brian sings LOML, I wish Roger would sing DOOL as a tribute to Freddie and John. That's more of a tribute to me, than the way some think Brian passing the Coronet to AL. [/QUOTE]
I know what John thought about Robbie and you're right we probably never will hear from John about anything, he seems to have become almost a recluse, certainly he doesn't keep in touch with Brian & Roger.
In the case of John, since he's alive and chose to retire I don't see that in the same way as Freddie. They do show him in the montage when they do DOOL, no idea why they only do it sporadically, I've never heard them talk about it in interview so it's anyone's guess why Roger seems to do AKOM more. They did it at the show I saw and I loved it.
Regarding showing Freddie, I think they get it just right with the parts they show. I go to a show to have a great time, enjoy the music, sing a long and have fun, I don't want to go and be reminded of the fact Freddie's no longer here and have it turn into a nostalgic trip down memory lane for half the night, to me that wouldn't work, it's not what going to a show is about, and I personally think it wouldn't be fair to Adam either, every night he goes out there part of what he has to do is win over the audience, to me that would be made a lot harder if Freddie kept appearing, and would just lead to comparisons in people's minds.
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Just a guess on my part here. I don't think DOOL is the easiest song to sing, considering what the song is about. It may be hard for Roger to sing it night after night. To me, that song was the perfect way to pay tribute to Freddie and John. Even AL's speech can't hold a candle to DOOL for me. I'd rather hear and see DOOL than the gimmicks, or even an AL solo song. AL has managed one of his songs to be in the set list for awhile now...and that to me is too bad, because that's less of a chance and Freddie and John.
Some people will always and obviously compare Freddie to AL. I think that will always happen.
I don't expect Freddie to keep appearing throughout the show. DOOL and LOML were nice reflections as a look back, IMO.
If singing a certain song is all you meant by honoring John and Freddie, that is fine by me. I thought you meant holograms and videos, etc. The problem is that I doubt most of the concert goers know who wrote the song and which one exactly is being honored! I don't think most people have any idea of the writer and many were written by several Queen members. And no, I don't think it is fair to take Lucy out at this point. Adam deserves one lousy song. How many did Paul do? Especially since Lucy fits better with Queen music and Brian played on it. Can't you give the poor guy a break?
You keep on bringing up Nate and Lady Gaga. My problem with them is that they sounded awful. Nate just has a voice that is not suited to Queen and Gaga obviously didn't practice, as she can sing. If I pay to see QAL, I don't want other singers there! What bands have "random people" up on stage singing with the band? That is so weird. If that is something Brian and Roger wish to pursue, hopefully, it won't be as QAL. And since They said they don't want to work with anyone else, I think it is a moot point.
[QUOTE] [b]Iron Butterfly wrote:[/b]
Just a guess on my part here. I don't think DOOL is the easiest song to sing, considering what the song is about. It may be hard for Roger to sing it night after night. To me, that song was the perfect way to pay tribute to Freddie and John. Even AL's speech can't hold a candle to DOOL for me. I'd rather hear and see DOOL than the gimmicks, or even an AL solo song. AL has managed one of his songs to be in the set list for awhile now...and that to me is too bad, because that's less of a chance and Freddie and John.
Some people will always and obviously compare Freddie to AL. I think that will always happen.
I don't expect Freddie to keep appearing throughout the show. DOOL and LOML were nice reflections as a look back, IMO.[/QUOTE]
That could be it, I don't know if they've done it at all on this leg of the tour, I think they did on the Australia/NZ leg but like you say maybe he finds it hard to sing all the time. I was really glad I got to see that one live, I did love the video montage they played.
They dropped Adam's song by the time they hit the UK last year so it wasn't in the show I saw. I wouldn't have minded Lucy, but I'm glad they didn't play Two Fux, really can't get on board with that one.
[QUOTE] [b]snifflese wrote:[/b]
If singing a certain song is all you meant by honoring John and Freddie, that is fine by me. I thought you meant holograms and videos, etc. The problem is that I doubt most of the concert goers know who wrote the song and which one exactly is being honored! I don't think most people have any idea of the writer and many were written by several Queen members. And no, I don't think it is fair to take Lucy out at this point. Adam deserves one lousy song. How many did Paul do? Especially since Lucy fits better with Queen music and Brian played on it. Can't you give the poor guy a break?
You keep on bringing up Nate and Lady Gaga. My problem with them is that they sounded awful. Nate just has a voice that is not suited to Queen and Gaga obviously didn't practice, as she can sing. If I pay to see QAL, I don't want other singers there! What bands have "random people" up on stage singing with the band? That is so weird. If that is something Brian and Roger wish to pursue, hopefully, it won't be as QAL. And since They said they don't want to work with anyone else, I think it is a moot point.[/QUOTE]
Honestly...I more often than not, hate holograms. Usually I'm not for it, but I think what was done at the London Olympics a few years back was done very well. I loved it. I love seeing Freddie and John during DOOL, it's obvious I love that too. I think that's the best way to pay tribute to Freddie and John. I'd be pleased with that. I do think both Freddie and John should be remembered more than what they are in the current shows, how about adding another John penned song, or Freddie's vocals at the end of Bohemian Rhapsody?
I doubt any of that will happen. I hope I'm wrong.
