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Iron Butterfly · Member since
snifflese wrote:

I don't think much was really said either, not in comparison to what is in most tabloids and even on TV. What Adam said was no different than things I have seen on the internet or in documentaries.
There is not much in this world that is private anymore. I saw a bunch of pics on a documentary abiut Queen where they showed scenes from parties, now that was some pretty heavy stuff. If it was a big secret, I am sure that Adam would not reveal anything, but I don't think he said anything earth shattering. It was generic and stuff even I already knew. I am sure Freddie would not be treating his sexuality in this day and age like he did back then, but everyone knew he was gay even then. Where is the private, big secret stuff? Can you find anything else that Adam does that you find offensive? There sure seem to be a lot of things!


Again, I'm not offended. I just feel it's not his place to say it. AL is already singing the songs, but now he is saying what he is about Freddie's sexuality? Not cool in my book.
The reason why I brought it up today was because of Guardian article. Like I said, it's a good thing Al is open about his own sexuality, because I know it helps people. I also know Freddie was a private man. I'm not getting into what he did in his private time.
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snifflese · Member since
I am sure I would have been scandalized!!! Don't even want to go there!! Everybody deserves his privacy and all that crap that gets thrown on the internet is really sad. I hate those stalkers that try to catch someone in a compromising position and post pics and articles on-line.They are real bottom feeders! I am a firm believer in what goes around, comes around and eventually, they will get theirs.
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Iron Butterfly · Member since
snifflese wrote:

I am sure I would have been scandalized!!! Don't even want to go there!! Everybody deserves his privacy and all that crap that gets thrown on the internet is really sad. I hate those stalkers that try to catch someone in a compromising position and post pics and articles on-line.They are real bottom feeders! I am a firm believer in what goes around, comes around and eventually, they will get theirs.


I think it was in good fun. Not to defend it, but it was a whole different time back then.
You are right and I agree everyone deserves their privacy. It hurts my heart to know what Freddie went through with the tablods in his last years. No one deserves that.
Some people are defensive about AL's weight for example. I'm a big defender of privacy. Always has been and will be always a staunch defender of that.
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Vocal harmony · Member since
rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

The head and bicycle parts take up less than 6 minutes of a 2 hour+ show, and the rest is about the music. IMO there's actually less of the messing about in these shows than in previous years. I barely even remember those bits the show is that fast paced.


I know it's short. I'm looking at this as a Queen fan, and maybe I'm the only one who wishes the gimmicks were not a part of it. It's not even orginal at this point. Thing is, Queen with Freddie kept evolving. Q+AL, not so much. [/QUOTE)


It amazes me that so many "real fans" seem to have forgotten Freddie sitting on Darth Vader and Supermans shoulders during We Will Rock You.... Star awards and Superman had a line each in a Queen song. At least Frank's head is related to a Queen album cover.

As regard to AL riding a tricycle, so what, it's a laugh. . . And he's laughing at himself too. A sense of humour lacking in some apparent fans! On the Jazz tour at at least one venue they had a few women on bicycles. . . Can't really see that going down in theses PC times!
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Iron Butterfly · Member since
No, I haven't forgotten. Those were Queen shows with Freddie, so of course things were going to be zany, even gimmicky at times. When I watch and listen to Queen live, for me I feel like the things that they did back in the day, took nothing away from the music.
Yes, Frank's iconic. Too bad AL takes the piss out of that by the banter about head. I don't find that funny. Queen always evolved, at the age Freddie was that WL is now, I couldn't imagine Freddie riding a bike on stage. The Coronet...is the worst of all.
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snifflese · Member since
I really do think that if Freddie did the things Adam does, you would find it great, because it was Freddie. Freddie acted pretty outrageous on stage and had lots of ridiculous props that were no different and they weren't real or organic just because Freddie did it. They were part of the show to make it more outrageous and fun for the concert goers. There is no difference between the two, as far as gimmicks go. None of the gimmicks take away from the music. The music is pretty much without flaw. QAL is very much invested in the music and the little gimmicks are just for fun !I do agree about the head remark but I am good on all the rest. It is frivolous and fun and reinforce the song that they go along with!
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Iron Butterfly · Member since
snifflese wrote:

I really do think that if Freddie did the things Adam does, you would find it great, because it was Freddie. Freddie acted pretty outrageous on stage and had lots of ridiculous props that were no different and they weren't real or organic just because Freddie did it. They were part of the show to make it more outrageous and fun for the concert goers. There is no difference between the two, as far as gimmicks go. None of the gimmicks take away from the music. The music is pretty much without flaw. QAL is very much invested in the music and the little gimmicks are just for fun !I do agree about the head remark but I am good on all the rest. It is frivolous and fun and reinforce the song that they go along with!


I don't know how I would feel if Freddie had done what AL does. I will say this again, Freddie was a very natural performer. AL seems at times as f he is in a Broadway show or something. Years now, with the Coronet all that changed about that is a cape added. Even Freddie didn't wear the crown year after year, it was for one tour only.
AL's banter...it makes me cringe. The head, bitches, some of that would be better off for his own solo shows. These are not AL shows of course.
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snifflese · Member since
Times have changed, I guess. Who know what outrageous things Freddie would say now that you can pretty much let it all hang out. I bet you would be surprised!
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Iron Butterfly · Member since
snifflese wrote:

Times have changed, I guess. Who know what outrageous things Freddie would say now that you can pretty much let it all hang out. I bet you would be surprised!


Freddie changed so much in his last years. Always evolving.
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SweetCaroline · Member since
So I guess it’s AOK that Fred said “F U” at the end of his Day-O call and response?
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Iron Butterfly · Member since
SweetCaroline wrote:

So I guess it’s AOK that Fred said “F U” at the end of his Day-O call and response?




When Freddie did that, it was at a Queen concert. Are you insulted that he said it? You really don't know much about Freddie if you think him saying F U is bad. Or that you think I should be aghast at what Freddie said. The F bomb doesn't bother me.
Q+AL concerts are not Al solo shows.
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rockchic65 · Member since
Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote:

So I guess it’s AOK that Fred said “F U” at the end of his Day-O call and response?




When Freddie did that, it was at a Queen concert. Are you insulted that he said it? You really don't know much about Freddie if you think him saying F U is bad. Or that you think I should be aghast at what Freddie said. The F bomb doesn't bother me.
Q+AL concerts are not Al solo shows.


It's not his solo show but there's no way Adam could go out on stage fronting the band and not be himself, it wouldn't work. He admits at the beginning he was intimidated and checking in with them for approval of what he was doing but that just stilts your performance if you're constantly wondering if you're doing the right thing. IMO to make it work they have to be a band, not just him be like a guest singer, despite him calling himself that, but for the purposes of a performance he has to just go for it and treat it the way any band would, they're in it together and the performance has to be your own way of doing things.
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snifflese · Member since
Icy, it may come as a surprise to you, but QAL shows are no longer Freddie shows. Just because Adam sings Freddie's music,(and the other member's music as it is NOT all Freddie's music), does not mean it is still a Freddie show. It is a Brian, Roger, and Adam show since that is who is performing at this point in time. I just read a brand new article and Adam says he has the permission from Brian and Roger to do his show, his way, which is so liberating. He also says, that if they wanted to tell him what to do, he would have said, "yes, Sir". So, this idea that because Adam is singing Freddie's music, he can't do certain things is ridiculous. Bands do switch members and the new band takes on the personality of the new member, just like here. It is no longer the Queen of old (which you know) and it will never be. It is a different time, but I will say that Adam has many similarities to Freddie in vocal range, being gay, loving fashion and other things. There is just a similar vibe that I feel. I don't think anyone else in the world is a better fit for Queen right now. That is why they keep on touring and playing to millions of people.
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Iron Butterfly · Member since
rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote:

So I guess it’s AOK that Fred said “F U” at the end of his Day-O call and response?




When Freddie did that, it was at a Queen concert. Are you insulted that he said it? You really don't know much about Freddie if you think him saying F U is bad. Or that you think I should be aghast at what Freddie said. The F bomb doesn't bother me.
Q+AL concerts are not Al solo shows.


It's not his solo show but there's no way Adam could go out on stage fronting the band and not be himself, it wouldn't work. He admits at the beginning he was intimidated and checking in with them for approval of what he was doing but that just stilts your performance if you're constantly wondering if you're doing the right thing. IMO to make it work they have to be a band, not just him be like a guest singer, despite him calling himself that, but for the purposes of a performance he has to just go for it and treat it the way any band would, they're in it together and the performance has to be your own way of doing things.


That brings up how much how one can be himself while singing other people's songs. Some do it better than others. For me when AL sings Queen songs it can at times come across as scripted, cheesy, for example KQ. The head and finding somebody to love banter.
And I will be the first to say how genuine he was with Save Me. I loved it. I still do, so it's not like I hate everything LOL. I think IL and SYW could have been something very special if it was kept.
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Iron Butterfly · Member since
snifflese wrote:

Icy, it may come as a surprise to you, but QAL shows are no longer Freddie shows. Just because Adam sings Freddie's music,(and the other member's music as it is NOT all Freddie's music), does not mean it is still a Freddie show. It is a Brian, Roger, and Adam show since that is who is performing at this point in time. I just read a brand new article and Adam says he has the permission from Brian and Roger to do his show, his way, which is so liberating. He also says, that if they wanted to tell him what to do, he would have said, "yes, Sir". So, this idea that because Adam is singing Freddie's music, he can't do certain things is ridiculous. Bands do switch members and the new band takes on the personality of the new member, just like here. It is no longer the Queen of old (which you know) and it will never be. It is a different time, but I will say that Adam has many similarities to Freddie in vocal range, being gay, loving fashion and other things. There is just a similar vibe that I feel. I don't think anyone else in the world is a better fit for Queen right now. That is why they keep on touring and playing to millions of people.


I don't think I ever said these were Freddie shows. If anything I think it like this, two legends playing with a guest. These concerts are 99% Queen's music usually.
There are things that Freddie and AL have in common, but differences too. One is more natural of a performer than the other. One who kept evolving throughout his career, onstage and in studio.