Freddie was a brave.

[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]

Standing ovation.

Nice to see you here again.

Just ignore the adolescent troll trapped in a 50-something's body. You just can't fix him.
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thanks fella - nice to hear from a familiar voice!

place hasn't changed though. have i been gone a few years or a few minutes? Gerry is still the lunatic fringe eh?

Gerry's useful - makes us all feel 100% sane.

brENsKi wrote:

Jazz+ wrote:

@brENsKi Hardly idiotic post think about it Freddie stopped all his meds and still never complained once about dying, he never went into hospital and left his friends to care for him
day in and day out. How many people would do that?
I think Freddie was very brave because not many people truly died in such a devastating way as Freddie, he went blind, his foot was rotting away, he had AIDS
Think about that before you spout off your flippant comments.
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hmmm, some things never change - like this ^. I'd been away so long, and completely forgotten how your deep and inspired wisdom fills this place with complete and utter miasma.

you have no idea what did/didn't go down with Freddie. you have no idea if he ever complained, if he wasn't a f*cking pain in the a*se to those around him. all YOU have to go on is the sugar-coated sentimental accounts that have been relayed second and third hand. fact: you weren't there = you don't know.

don't talk to me about bravery - i watched my father and brother die of cancer within 8 months of each other - never complaining, and never being a burden on anyone around them. THEY WERE BRAVE - in the way that NORMAL HUMAN BEINGS face death EVERY single day. I still remember (even now 11 years later) - how a locum called to dad's house in the middle of the night and I was faced with a choice "if we up the dose now, he'll never wake up again". Three days later, he was gone.

My brother? 39 years old. and told (in January) "you may just make it to Easter"...then "you won't last the summer". he battled on to give his three young daughters one last Christmas together. 15 months he survived. that's bravery. Again what NORMAL PEOPLE DO every day.

Freddie (god bless him) was a cossetted celebrity, who, although he may have died horribly, had the best of everything - including medical care around him. He didn't have to wait hours on end for a locum/health visitor to drop by. he didn't have medical appointments shifted at the last minute, or problems with getting pain killers, or other vital medication...oh no - he chose to stop his meds.
As bad as it may have been, I'm sure Freddie's dying and death was a million times more comfortable than than 99.9999999% of all the other worldwide AIDS deaths to date.

You know nothing, continue to learn nothing and are unwilling to even try. Grow up - and think before you insult other people in the way you do.

You're the one making flippant remarks - with absolutely NO thought for actual real life experiences. If you learn anything from this - take a step back (tail between your legs) and think BEFORE you spout sh*t next time.
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standing ovation ! Wow.
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Jazz+ : "I think Freddie was very brave because not many people truly died in such a devastating way as Freddie,..."
"You need to put things into perspective and stop bullying to win the argument pal."


---Maybe someone needs a bit of life experience ????

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Jazz+ wrote:[/b]

@brENsKi Hardly idiotic post think about it Freddie stopped all his meds and still never complained once about dying, he never went into hospital and left his friends to care for him
day in and day out. How many people would do that?
I think Freddie was very brave because not many people truly died in such a devastating way as Freddie, he went blind, his foot was rotting away, he had AIDS
Think about that before you spout off your flippant comments.[/QUOTE]

hmmm, some things never change - like this ^. I'd been away so long, and completely forgotten how your deep and inspired wisdom fills this place with complete and utter miasma.

you have no idea what did/didn't go down with Freddie. you have no idea if he ever complained, if he wasn't a f*cking pain in the a*se to those around him. all YOU have to go on is the sugar-coated sentimental accounts that have been relayed second and third hand. fact: you weren't there = you don't know.

don't talk to me about bravery - i watched my father and brother die of cancer within 8 months of each other - never complaining, and never being a burden on anyone around them. THEY WERE BRAVE - in the way that NORMAL HUMAN BEINGS face death EVERY single day. I still remember (even now 11 years later) - how a locum called to dad's house in the middle of the night and I was faced with a choice "if we up the dose now, he'll never wake up again". Three days later, he was gone.

My brother? 39 years old. and told (in January) "you may just make it to Easter"...then "you won't last the summer". he battled on to give his three young daughters one last Christmas together. 15 months he survived. that's bravery. Again what NORMAL PEOPLE DO every day.

Freddie (god bless him) was a cossetted celebrity, who, although he may have died horribly, had the best of everything - including medical care around him. He didn't have to wait hours on end for a locum/health visitor to drop by. he didn't have medical appointments shifted at the last minute, or problems with getting pain killers, or other vital medication...oh no - he chose to stop his meds.
As bad as it may have been, I'm sure Freddie's dying and death was a million times more comfortable than than 99.9999999% of all the other worldwide AIDS deaths to date.

You know nothing, continue to learn nothing and are unwilling to even try. Grow up - and think before you insult other people in the way you do.

You're the one making flippant remarks - with absolutely NO thought for actual real life experiences. If you learn anything from this - take a step back (tail between your legs) and think BEFORE you spout sh*t next time.



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This may sound strange, and i hope i dont come across as intrusive but I'm sorry to hear about your father and brother. I've been through the same with many of my loved ones, including my father a few months ago. He passed away in front of my eyes, and I will never forget it.
Take care.

I lost my mother this year too but i do not want the limelight like Brenski craves for on here with his family who died.
He says death is just part of "normal humans facing death" fair enough but he has to once again highlight that in a thread over the basic topic of Freddie who was an exceptional
human being and mega talented man. i have read many books seen many interviews who were there with Fred when he passed so i know what went on and i know he was incredibly brave.

[QUOTE] [b]Jazz+ wrote:[/b]

I lost my mother this year too but i do not want the limelight like Brenski craves for on here with his family who died.
He says death is just part of "normal humans facing death" fair enough but he has to once again highlight that in a thread over the basic topic of Freddie who was an exceptional
human being and mega talented man. i have read many books seen many interviews who were there with Fred when he passed so i know what went on and i know he was incredibly brave.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry about your mother.
I don't want to argue with you, but we all cope with things differently. I admit, that I'm a wuss compared to other people I knew who were ill.
That's all I will say because someone might come along and bitch me out because of what I'm posting here.
Take care.

[QUOTE] [b]Jazz+ wrote:[/b]

I lost my mother this year too but i do not want the limelight like Brenski craves for on here with his family who died.[/QUOTE]

I honestly thought with your racism, homophobia, misogyny, and general stupidity that you couldn't get any lower but it seems there's no cesspit you won't happily dive into.

[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Jazz+ wrote:[/b]

I lost my mother this year too but i do not want the limelight like Brenski craves for on here with his family who died.[/QUOTE]

I honestly thought with your racism, homophobia, misogyny, and general stupidity that you couldn't get any lower but it seems there's no cesspit you won't happily dive into.[/QUOTE]

Definitely a new low.

Holly2003 All in a days work lovie lol

[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]Jazz+ wrote:[/b]

I lost my mother this year too but i do not want the limelight like Brenski craves for on here with his family who died.[/QUOTE]

I honestly thought with your racism, homophobia, misogyny, and general stupidity that you couldn't get any lower but it seems there's no cesspit you won't happily dive into.[/QUOTE]

he's so thick that he completely missed the (extremely) obvious point of my post. we (human beings) - even Gerry - are conditioned through life experiences that death is inevitable - and (by consequence) no dead celebrity - Bowie, Lemmy, Zsa-Zsa, Rickman, Dio - or even our dear Freddie, dealt with death with any more class, dignity or stiff upper lip, than that of 90% of all humanity.

Gerry spews utter nonsense without even the briefest pause to think about death in regard of normal human beings:

¦ people dying of long-painful terminal illnesses.
¦ soldiers being mown down on battlefields - so idiots like him are allowed an umbrella of free-speech - talk about irony being lost on him!
¦ whole towns/villages/sections of society being wiped out by ethnic cleansing
¦ plane, train, shipping and weather disasters
¦ migrant disasters

there's absolutely no comparison between the dignity of the above compared to a celebrity dying in luxury with his own at-hand dedicated personal medical team.

as regards limelight? hehe - yep, that'd be it. explains my not bothering with this place for such a long time.

gasman...Gasman...G-A-S-M-A-N !

@brenski You think what you want and get back to calling me names on here.
Youve only been back on here a short while and already your spouting off so carry on your the idiot making a thread into some sort of drama any diva would love !

Mortality might be the great equaliser in the end, but I don’t think we can say all human experience of it and attitude towards it is the same. Or if brave is even an appropriate word. Freddie was in a rare situation. Someone who had reached the absolute heights of artistic achievement and fame, whilst remaining in essence a very private person. Regardless of what medical care he could afford I can’t begin to imagine the psychological effect of declining in that manner with a stigmatised condition.

[QUOTE] [b]AlbaNo1 wrote:[/b]
Regardless of what medical care he could afford I can’t begin to imagine the psychological effect of declining in that manner with a stigmatised condition. [/QUOTE]

i agree with this ^ .
which is why i said on the previous page:
[color=DodgerBlue][i][b]As bad as it may have been, I'm sure Freddie's dying and death was a million times more comfortable than than 99.9999999% of all the other worldwide AIDS deaths to date.[/color][/i][/b]

To start “a” in the title shouldn’t be there. Not sure why it ended up there. The title of the topic should be “Freddie was brave”.

Now on the topic.
To be honest I am not surprised to have been showered with insults for saying what I said. The so called “Justice mob” is all over the internet and this site is no exception. Aggressive herds of close-minded folk who have no ability for interpretation, take things for face value and go around fighting their stupid causes.
Hey listen. I know there are medical conditions which put people in unimaginable physical and mental pain. I understand and have great sympathy for that.

What I am saying Is that there are things in each of us that we feel insecure about from most of our lives. Overcoming these insecurities/fears is a sign of bravery.
In this case, Freddie, guy who was visibly conscious about his teeth even though he was a singing star, indicates that it took a lot of guts for him to overcome this and do what he did.
Why is this so complicated and controversial?

@Brenski What a dumb thing to say and i quote : Freddie's death from AIDS would be more comfortable than a lot of other Aids deaths! ! How you do work that out batman ?
Aids is Aids is ravishes human flesh and kills all humans the same, so balls in your court explain?

[QUOTE] [b]Jazz+ wrote:[/b]

@Brenski What a dumb thing to say and i quote : Freddie's death from AIDS would be more comfortable than a lot of other Aids deaths! ! How you do work that out batman ?
Aids is Aids is ravishes human flesh and kills all humans the same, so balls in your court explain?[/QUOTE]

how many of the world's 32 million AIDS sufferers died in the luxury, comfort and pleasant surroundings that Freddie did? How many of those same 32 million had immediate access to the best medicine, healthcare and round-the-clock care that Freddie did?

exactly.