Jimmy Dean
It's been a bad year
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brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]Jimmy Dean wrote:[/b]
It's been a bad year[/QUOTE]
I'd have to agree. Over the last few years, we've had deluxe releases and a couple of box sets - but the longed-for anthologies (for us completists) appear further away than ever before.
It's been a bad year[/QUOTE]
I'd have to agree. Over the last few years, we've had deluxe releases and a couple of box sets - but the longed-for anthologies (for us completists) appear further away than ever before.
Star*
Very bad year for Real Queen fans and quite a good year for plastic fake fans who support the regime of Q+ crap.
mooghead
"Good or bad Queen year ??"
Which year is that then? 1974?
Which year is that then? 1974?
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]stevelondon20 wrote:[/b]God, so much fucking moaning. Just enjoy Brian and Roger's output while they are still on this mortal coil.[/QUOTE]
it's not moaning. it's objectivity. people either love it or hate it. i respect people's right to love it, but i don't.
there are singers out there that I'd go and see singing with Queen - but unfortunately, most of them are either dead - or don't want the gig anyway.
i'm glad that you are enjoying this lineup, but you shouldn't really be dissing the opinions of those who don't like it.
it's not moaning. it's objectivity. people either love it or hate it. i respect people's right to love it, but i don't.
there are singers out there that I'd go and see singing with Queen - but unfortunately, most of them are either dead - or don't want the gig anyway.
i'm glad that you are enjoying this lineup, but you shouldn't really be dissing the opinions of those who don't like it.
Nathan H
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]21st Century Music Fan wrote:[/b]
The band now have a new generation of fans. [/QUOTE]
Why do you feel that's important?
[QUOTE] [b]21st Century Music Fan wrote:[/b]
Q+AL shows the demand for Queen, people want to see Queen live - there's just that minority which don't appreciate it even though on the whole is great for Queen's legacy.[/QUOTE]
How is it great for their legacy?
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1. The success of the band in the future after the older generation have gone it will guarantee that there will still be many fans of the group.
2. To prove that Queen are still a successful, popular band. They have always been a great live band and in my opinion still do today (I'm ignoring Adam because you'll just complain, I'm just thinking about the backing band). Their harmonies are all live - and my god they can all sing. Did you see that recent Queen documentary? I bet you didn't. Their musicial backing is top notch and they rarely have mistakes or technical mishaps.
In my opinion, you shouldn't be moaning about Q+AL without watching that documentary, because some of your points are out of context. You can see the real meaning and why they are even still performing. And, I'd say no more than a third of it mentions or involves Adam - it's a Queen documentary for the first 20-25 minutes.
[QUOTE] [b]21st Century Music Fan wrote:[/b]
The band now have a new generation of fans. [/QUOTE]
Why do you feel that's important?
[QUOTE] [b]21st Century Music Fan wrote:[/b]
Q+AL shows the demand for Queen, people want to see Queen live - there's just that minority which don't appreciate it even though on the whole is great for Queen's legacy.[/QUOTE]
How is it great for their legacy?
[/QUOTE]
1. The success of the band in the future after the older generation have gone it will guarantee that there will still be many fans of the group.
2. To prove that Queen are still a successful, popular band. They have always been a great live band and in my opinion still do today (I'm ignoring Adam because you'll just complain, I'm just thinking about the backing band). Their harmonies are all live - and my god they can all sing. Did you see that recent Queen documentary? I bet you didn't. Their musicial backing is top notch and they rarely have mistakes or technical mishaps.
In my opinion, you shouldn't be moaning about Q+AL without watching that documentary, because some of your points are out of context. You can see the real meaning and why they are even still performing. And, I'd say no more than a third of it mentions or involves Adam - it's a Queen documentary for the first 20-25 minutes.
Holly2003
[QUOTE] [b]21st Century Music Fan wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]21st Century Music Fan wrote:[/b]
The band now have a new generation of fans. [/QUOTE]
Why do you feel that's important?
[QUOTE] [b]21st Century Music Fan wrote:[/b]
Q+AL shows the demand for Queen, people want to see Queen live - there's just that minority which don't appreciate it even though on the whole is great for Queen's legacy.[/QUOTE]
How is it great for their legacy?
[/QUOTE]
1. The success of the band in the future after the older generation have gone it will guarantee that there will still be many fans of the group.
2. To prove that Queen are still a successful, popular band. They have always been a great live band and in my opinion still do today (I'm ignoring Adam because you'll just complain, I'm just thinking about the backing band). Their harmonies are all live - and my god they can all sing. Did you see that recent Queen documentary? I bet you didn't. Their musicial backing is top notch and they rarely have mistakes or technical mishaps.
In my opinion, you shouldn't be moaning about Q+AL without watching that documentary, because some of your points are out of context. You can see the real meaning and why they are even still performing. And, I'd say no more than a third of it mentions or involves Adam - it's a Queen documentary for the first 20-25 minutes. [/QUOTE]
I didn't make any points, nor did I mention Lambert. I asked if you could explain your points. But your answer, such as it is, just leads to more questions. Regardless of how popular Queen were/are/will be, the music remains the same, doesn't it? For example, BoRap remains the same song whether one person or a million people like it. Having a new generation of fans doesn't change that.
I don't really understand your second point -- "To prove that Queen are still a successful, popular band". Who do "Queen" need to prove this too and in any event, why is that important? It might be important if they (Brian May & Roger Taylor) were making new music under the Queen banner but they're not. As Roger admitted, Queen is now just a brand; Queen Productions is the company behind the brand. The first task of any business is to stay in business, and Queen Productions are VERY good at that. It's a paradigm of how to make money. It's the same business model that Jim Beach proposed to Monty Python, which made them a ton of money to pay off debts they owed after losing a court case. That model is to give fans all the well known brand material and don't do anything new. So Monty Python did a series of concerts in which they told 40 year old jokes and did almost nothing new. Does that ring a bell with regard to Queen+?
I've seen the documentary you mentioned. It's hardly a probing analysis of the band. Like most Queen Productions documentaries, it's merely an advertisement for the band. And it makes the same basic error that you do, that popularity somehow equals musical quality.
Let me make your point for you: the continuing success of the Queen brand might lead to more archival stuff being released to meet demand from fans. There is some evidence that has been happening with regard to interviews. News companies have been digging through their old tapes so they can ride the popularity of the movie in particular. But there is little evidence that archival music will be released. For example, I know a Live Killers release has been talked about for a while (and maybe hinted at again by Brian recently). However, I believe it would have been released in 2019 if it were not for Q+AL. Almost all of Brian and Roger's focus is on live shows and almost none on the archives. So it's likely the "success" you mention has delayed archival releases.
It's likely none of this matters. A few years ago I was very engaged and excited with the idea of archive releases. Now it's unlikely I would buy them if they were released. For me, the moment has come and gone for physical product. It's a niche market now and for that reason I think it's unlikely we will see anything substantial released.
[QUOTE] [b]Holly2003 wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]21st Century Music Fan wrote:[/b]
The band now have a new generation of fans. [/QUOTE]
Why do you feel that's important?
[QUOTE] [b]21st Century Music Fan wrote:[/b]
Q+AL shows the demand for Queen, people want to see Queen live - there's just that minority which don't appreciate it even though on the whole is great for Queen's legacy.[/QUOTE]
How is it great for their legacy?
[/QUOTE]
1. The success of the band in the future after the older generation have gone it will guarantee that there will still be many fans of the group.
2. To prove that Queen are still a successful, popular band. They have always been a great live band and in my opinion still do today (I'm ignoring Adam because you'll just complain, I'm just thinking about the backing band). Their harmonies are all live - and my god they can all sing. Did you see that recent Queen documentary? I bet you didn't. Their musicial backing is top notch and they rarely have mistakes or technical mishaps.
In my opinion, you shouldn't be moaning about Q+AL without watching that documentary, because some of your points are out of context. You can see the real meaning and why they are even still performing. And, I'd say no more than a third of it mentions or involves Adam - it's a Queen documentary for the first 20-25 minutes. [/QUOTE]
I didn't make any points, nor did I mention Lambert. I asked if you could explain your points. But your answer, such as it is, just leads to more questions. Regardless of how popular Queen were/are/will be, the music remains the same, doesn't it? For example, BoRap remains the same song whether one person or a million people like it. Having a new generation of fans doesn't change that.
I don't really understand your second point -- "To prove that Queen are still a successful, popular band". Who do "Queen" need to prove this too and in any event, why is that important? It might be important if they (Brian May & Roger Taylor) were making new music under the Queen banner but they're not. As Roger admitted, Queen is now just a brand; Queen Productions is the company behind the brand. The first task of any business is to stay in business, and Queen Productions are VERY good at that. It's a paradigm of how to make money. It's the same business model that Jim Beach proposed to Monty Python, which made them a ton of money to pay off debts they owed after losing a court case. That model is to give fans all the well known brand material and don't do anything new. So Monty Python did a series of concerts in which they told 40 year old jokes and did almost nothing new. Does that ring a bell with regard to Queen+?
I've seen the documentary you mentioned. It's hardly a probing analysis of the band. Like most Queen Productions documentaries, it's merely an advertisement for the band. And it makes the same basic error that you do, that popularity somehow equals musical quality.
Let me make your point for you: the continuing success of the Queen brand might lead to more archival stuff being released to meet demand from fans. There is some evidence that has been happening with regard to interviews. News companies have been digging through their old tapes so they can ride the popularity of the movie in particular. But there is little evidence that archival music will be released. For example, I know a Live Killers release has been talked about for a while (and maybe hinted at again by Brian recently). However, I believe it would have been released in 2019 if it were not for Q+AL. Almost all of Brian and Roger's focus is on live shows and almost none on the archives. So it's likely the "success" you mention has delayed archival releases.
It's likely none of this matters. A few years ago I was very engaged and excited with the idea of archive releases. Now it's unlikely I would buy them if they were released. For me, the moment has come and gone for physical product. It's a niche market now and for that reason I think it's unlikely we will see anything substantial released.
Star*
Queen's legacy is now stained because of that tit Adam Lambert he has turned the band into a freak fest.
Queen as a quartet was brilliant and unbeatable and today technically that band Queen does not exist.
Brian still pretends its Queen but come on we all know its not.
They look so lost and fragile without John & Freddie now.
Queen as a quartet was brilliant and unbeatable and today technically that band Queen does not exist.
Brian still pretends its Queen but come on we all know its not.
They look so lost and fragile without John & Freddie now.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]100% wrote:[/b]Queen's legacy is now stained because of that tit Adam Lambert he has turned the band into a freak fest.Queen as a quartet was brilliant and unbeatable and today technically that band Queen does not exist.
Brian still pretends its Queen but come on we all know its not.
They look so lost and fragile without John & Freddie now.[/QUOTE]
You can't know (for sure) that they look fragile - unless you've been watching it all evolve.
i don't understand your approach. I don't like the Queen+AL thing - so I don't watch it.
If you hate it so much, why are you paying it so much attention?
Possible reasons:
1. Some deep-rooted masochistic tendencies within your psyche.
2. You secretly love what they're doing - a guilty pleasure, but you feel you have to say how much you hate it in order to balance out the internal conflicts Q+AL causes you.
3. You're rubber-necking a slow-motion car-crash and can't take your eyes off it. Maybe good to look away now, as it'll be a long time before you witness any impact.
4. You just love having something to moan, dis and argue the living sh*t out of.
Brian still pretends its Queen but come on we all know its not.
They look so lost and fragile without John & Freddie now.[/QUOTE]
You can't know (for sure) that they look fragile - unless you've been watching it all evolve.
i don't understand your approach. I don't like the Queen+AL thing - so I don't watch it.
If you hate it so much, why are you paying it so much attention?
Possible reasons:
1. Some deep-rooted masochistic tendencies within your psyche.
2. You secretly love what they're doing - a guilty pleasure, but you feel you have to say how much you hate it in order to balance out the internal conflicts Q+AL causes you.
3. You're rubber-necking a slow-motion car-crash and can't take your eyes off it. Maybe good to look away now, as it'll be a long time before you witness any impact.
4. You just love having something to moan, dis and argue the living sh*t out of.
Star*
@Brenski There you go again trying to cause trouble on yet another fucking thread.
Cant you just join in with the conversation instead of been a troll and slagging every post i participate in?
You obviously have a problem stalking me around this site, so sort yourself out.
I think you have something wrong with your head .
Cant you just join in with the conversation instead of been a troll and slagging every post i participate in?
You obviously have a problem stalking me around this site, so sort yourself out.
I think you have something wrong with your head .
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]100% wrote:[/b]@Brenski There you go again trying to cause trouble on yet another fucking thread.
Cant you just join in with the conversation instead of been a troll and slagging every post i participate in?
You obviously have a problem stalking me around this site, so sort yourself out. I think you have something wrong with your head .
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I haven't slagged you off "on here" [sic]. You made a statement that:
[QUOTE] [b]100% wrote:[/b][color=brown]They look so lost and fragile without John & Freddie now.[/color][/QUOTE]
I merely asked why you are so interested in something you hate so much. It's a fair question. I even presented some possible reasons "why" your focus on Q+AL might be so intense.
If NONE of those are the actual reasons for your Q+AL interest, then tell us "why". It's not "trying to cause trouble" - it's debate and discussion. I'm genuinely interested why you are so occupied with Q+AL.
Just seems such a waste devoting negative energy to something you have "no interest in".
Cant you just join in with the conversation instead of been a troll and slagging every post i participate in?
You obviously have a problem stalking me around this site, so sort yourself out. I think you have something wrong with your head .
[/QUOTE]
I haven't slagged you off "on here" [sic]. You made a statement that:
[QUOTE] [b]100% wrote:[/b][color=brown]They look so lost and fragile without John & Freddie now.[/color][/QUOTE]
I merely asked why you are so interested in something you hate so much. It's a fair question. I even presented some possible reasons "why" your focus on Q+AL might be so intense.
If NONE of those are the actual reasons for your Q+AL interest, then tell us "why". It's not "trying to cause trouble" - it's debate and discussion. I'm genuinely interested why you are so occupied with Q+AL.
Just seems such a waste devoting negative energy to something you have "no interest in".
Star*
@Brenski You will get no reply from me what i think or why because my opinions are only for real Queen fans, jog on.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]SW10 wrote:[/b]@Brenski You will get no reply from me what i think or why because my opinions are only for real Queen fans, jog on.[/QUOTE]
change of username again, Geraldine? wtf is that about? sixteen personalities - all entirely identical thuggish, unintelligible bigots. well done. doesn't matter how you dress yourself up Geraldine - a turd in a ribbon still stinks of shit...and you are stinking out this place.
change of username again, Geraldine? wtf is that about? sixteen personalities - all entirely identical thuggish, unintelligible bigots. well done. doesn't matter how you dress yourself up Geraldine - a turd in a ribbon still stinks of shit...and you are stinking out this place.
Nathan H
I just hate reading or hearing negative stuff about my favourite band. I try to be positive because I'm that sort of person. You just have to treat everyday like it's the last.
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]21st Century Music Fan wrote:[/b]I just hate reading or hearing negative stuff about my favourite band. I try to be positive because I'm that sort of person. You just have to treat everyday like it's the last.[/QUOTE]
I understand that. especially if you feel like the band is something close to you - almost like a friend.
but fact of life: disagreement with our friends and relatives is still possible. it doesn't mean you hate them, it just means not everything is "hearts and flowers".
I understand that. especially if you feel like the band is something close to you - almost like a friend.
but fact of life: disagreement with our friends and relatives is still possible. it doesn't mean you hate them, it just means not everything is "hearts and flowers".