The Passion of Christ

GH

Perhaps you could define your criticism a bit more clearly. Are you specifically arguing against Catholicism or Christianity in general? I cannot quite tell.

Also, could you expand on your discussion of "sin"? Were you referring to sin in general, or how it applies to Catholics?

And one observation, you seem to want people to have an open mind, yet your argument comes across as very heavy-handed. Perhaps if you were truly trying to change opinions, you could tone down the rhetoric.

I think GH is mostly annoyed because he sends some posts with many things, many points, and then nobody really feel like replying! The ball is on the other side, I think. That's my opinion anyway...

Guy labeling MrJangles "anti-semetic" because he is critical of Israel is a disgrace and you should be ashamed of yourself. Does it make you "anti-christian" because you disagree with us?

Have I labeled you anti-semitic because you didn't agree with me? No. What he said is beyond any normal tone of speak.

He just said that both sides are actually guilty of what's happening!!! He's right!

No you haven't called me anti-semetic you just stated that I supported sucicide bombers. You're a real charmer. I'm glad this thread has shown how one-sided and immoral your political views are and I'm sure after this no one will accept at face value anything you say about Israel.

I think we live on two different planets...
As a catholic I used to feel guilty because of for instance- masturbation... I was told it's a sin. Is it? Don't really think so. Sex before marriage- what about that? A sin? BOLLOCKS!!!
And many, many other things. Only because we're told they're wrong and we're scarred of god- we feel guilty. Some of them aren't sins at all!!! if I don't go to church on Sunday- is it a sin?
Does God have complexes and needs my praise to feel better?

I was raised Catholic, but that doesn't mean I that agree with everything that the catholic church does or believes in.

I'm sure most people in this board who were raised catholic feel that way. For a fact I believe that...

- "Original sin" is a bunch of bullshit. How could you be blamed for a sin you haven't commited?
- Abortion is right if it's done at a time when an embryo hasn't developed to become a fetus and be able to feel pain.
- A lot of stuff from the Bible is not God's words. Some douche bag wrote it to make us believe that it was God's written word.
- I eat beef on Easter whenever I feel like it, and I don't feel like a sinner.

Guy, when I refer to Israel as a disgrace, I refer to today's Israeli government and everyone who supports it.

I for once I'm admirer of Yitzak Rabin for all his efforts to achieve peace. After decades of war, he was the first one to say... "Enough blood, enough tears... it's time to find peace". If he was the prime minister today, I'm sure the whole nation of Israel wouldn't be victim of this huge wave of violence that we see today.

And whether you hate to admit it, Ariel Sharon is a terrorist... he's not too far from becoming that "moustache guy" from the 1930s you talk about and who you dared to compare to me.

Did somebody mention me?

I should have finished the job.

Zeni, you have always been the level-headed person at QZ. :)

"Perhaps you could define your criticism a bit more clearly. Are you specifically arguing against Catholicism or Christianity in general? I cannot quite tell."

I am criticizing both. To sum up my complaint in a sentence: I am criticizing conservative Christians in general for refusing to open their minds on certain subjects, and I am criticizing Catholics in specific for having certain elements of their faith which include being born "unclean", and constantly feeling the need to clense themselves of sin.

"Also, could you expand on your discussion of "sin"? Were you referring to sin in general, or how it applies to Catholics?"

I was talking about the word "sin" as we English-speaking folk understand it, and have interpreted it from biblical writings. Most known documents from biblical times were written in Greek or Latin, and they ended up in the bible in translated form. In so many cases, incorrectly translated, and one example of such incorrect word is the word "sin", and many Christians (Catholics especially) have based their lives on being free and clensed of this sin. There is no mistaking or misinterpreting language. The language is what it is, and the word "sin" in the bible is a complete lie.

"And one observation, you seem to want people to have an open mind, yet your argument comes across as very heavy-handed. Perhaps if you were truly trying to change opinions, you could tone down the rhetoric."

You're right, I do come across as being very strong with my opinions, and I suppose I do feel like that, as I am very passionate about learning, especially on this subject. I say the things I do, and it's anyone's choice to read what I have to say. It just baffles me that so few people have anything to say when it comes this entire discussion.

"Not true. We come to an age of acountability where we know right from wrong. You don't know much when your born right?"

Yes, many people do hit that age of reason! But the Catholic faith is based on being born unclean and spending your life becoming suitable for when you meet God after death.

Conservative Catholics aren't hurting anyone but themselves. There are millions of them, and they live in fear. If they do not live in fear, then they are not good Catholics, because scripture teaches them to live in fear of God. So it should really come down to assessing who they really are as individuals. But that doesn't happen, as they're taught that God will take care of everything, as scripture says.

"Wrong again. You don't feel 'guilty' unless you have done something wrong. And I assume you know what that is right? Stealing, lying, cheating etc..."

No, I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Catholics are taught that they will always be unclean and full of sin, no matter how hard they try to be the best they can be.

"And many, many other things. Only because we're told they're wrong and we're scarred of god- we feel guilty."

Right on. I'm glad you found yourself and realized you were above this kind of brainwashing.

"Does God have complexes and needs my praise to feel better?"

I'll assume this is a rhetorical question. :)

Mr.Jingles79, you are obviously not a Catholic anymore, judging on the individuality you showed in your above post. This in particular:

"- A lot of stuff from the Bible is not God's words. Some douche bag wrote it to make us believe that it was God's written word."

A good claim, and one that can be totally backed up. Much of the bible is merely a collection of stories to properly suit the religions at hand, but there is plenty of good, wholesome material in the bible that still applies very well today!

"Enter Adam and Eve. Their sin in the Garden of Eden gave us "original sin"."

Think for yourself for a minute, please. It's just a story, like Humpty Dumpty. Really, who was around to write this story at the time? Literacy wasn't heard of in the su

Adolf, shut the fuck up.

Mr.Jingles, I never compared you to him, I would never do such a thing. I only said your statement is similar to his, and statements like that caused the holocaust.

Holly2003, you reply to what you feel comfortable to reply to... You say there is nothing to respond to, however I think there is. You haven't said anything about my last 2 posts, which are far from showing me as one-sided.

I seriously think those 19 years old women shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place. In Israel, and I'm sure all over the world, teens had given birth and then dumped them _alive_ to die. In very few cases the babies were saved. They should overcome their "will" to sleep with someone, especially when they know they could have a baby.

"All you need is your faith in yourself, and your faith in God can back you up in along the way, only if you feel you need it. And after you die, don't worry, you and those close to you will be safe."

Someone has gone soft, and believes in god only when it is convenient for him, and it seems his belief in God is for insurance purposes only.

I believe that there is no god, but on the off chance there is one, I refuse to believe in some egomanical "Ming-like" god.

"What plaything do you have for me today?

It's a planet called earth. Will you destroy this Earth?

Later, I like to play with things awhile ... hahahaha

I previously ignored this topic because I thought it was only about a movie, but decided to look into it again after it reached page 4.