Don't worry, I'm not going to get all 'God Squad' on you all, blah blah, but this is more about Mel Gibson's film about a carpenter who made it big.
No, not Harrison Ford, fools! Jesus Christ, lord, saviour, hippy (if you believe that kind of thing) and general all round decent fella.
Apparently, Gibson's film is anti-semitic, but I don't know because I haven't seen it, but what does anyone think about the whole idea in general and the film, if they've seen it.
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I think you might be a little wrong Fenderek. Gibson is definitely not a radical. He is a Traditionalist Catholic. He renounces the Second Vatican Council, which instituted many radical changes like secular masses instead of Latin.
I fail to see how the movie might be anti anything. It goes according to the Gospel of John, and since Catholics have been following for thelast two thousand years, I find it hard to believe it's hurtful.
You are right though in the saying that none of us have seen the movie yet, therefore we can't really comment on it that much; whether you think is anti semetic or anything. But I am quite sure that you will all change your mind regarding it once you've seen it.
I fail to see how the movie might be anti anything. It goes according to the Gospel of John, and since Catholics have been following for thelast two thousand years, I find it hard to believe it's hurtful.
You are right though in the saying that none of us have seen the movie yet, therefore we can't really comment on it that much; whether you think is anti semetic or anything. But I am quite sure that you will all change your mind regarding it once you've seen it.
"since Catholics have been following for thelast two thousand years, I find it hard to believe it's hurtful."
I beg to differ.
Do you want to make this a religious discussion? Give me one post, and I'll show you why this has been especially harmful, more than anything in the world, ever.
I beg to differ.
Do you want to make this a religious discussion? Give me one post, and I'll show you why this has been especially harmful, more than anything in the world, ever.
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Oh great another shitty history piece with Mel Gibson.
One thing is for sure it will all be the fault of the English! Somehow the English will kill Jesus!
One thing is for sure it will all be the fault of the English! Somehow the English will kill Jesus!
Ok Guitar hero, lets see what you've got.
LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLEEEEEEEEE!
Ok guys,I want a clean fight.No low blows, no rabbit punches, no head butts and no hitting below the belt.
Ok guys,I want a clean fight.No low blows, no rabbit punches, no head butts and no hitting below the belt.
*TingTingTing*
*taking my seat with a hot chick to my side*
Yet,the match is a total waste of money...I can't believe I spend 5 $ for this...oh well.
I grew up in Catholic country, in a catholic family, near catholic church... For 20 fucking years... Do you know what this gave me...? "How to hate myself"- that's one thing I've learned; needed three years of serious therapy to change it a lttle bit... Another one was "How to deny myself and claim that therefore I'm almost saint and go to Heaven and blah, blah, blah..."- that's another...
I detest this thing with all my heart; it's lies, hypocrisy and- basically- it's anti-human nature approach...
I detest this thing with all my heart; it's lies, hypocrisy and- basically- it's anti-human nature approach...
Well thanks Fenderek, for giving me a head start! It makes my job that much easier now.
The church has indeed been full of lies and manipulation for centuries. It was created as a means of controlling people, and it is the longest-standing method of controlling in the history of mankind. (People-kind, for those of you who are political activists and keeping track. :)
More people have been killed in the name of God than any other reason, and history has proven it.
World Trade Center
Northern Ireland
Kashmir
Middle East, Isreal in particular
Crusades
This is not rocket science. Ahh, science... something religion has a major problem with, along with logic. The negatives of religion have caused such a problem between different races of people. It has taught conservative Christians to hate Muslims, and conservative Muslims to hate Christians. The more devout the religion, the more they're taught to selfishly believe they're the chosen ones over all others. Therefore they lead simple and pointless lives, not to mention not being educated about other people and their values.
However, there are several things about Religion that I do approve of. It gives some people a certain strength that only their faith can give them. These are the people that keep their religions to themselves, and not preach about them all day long, or try to convert others into their faith, just because they believe their God wants them to. These are the kinds of people who have a smile on their face in even the toughest of times.
I have gone to a United Church for years, and I have become educated a great deal about the problems of religion, and what needs to be done about them. Religion should be a learning experience, and used as a means of realizing that we're all one, and that we need to work together to restore this broken world, as opposed to wanting to kill off a race, just because they don't have the same faith that you do. Life is a learning experience. Life is a gift. Use it.
That's religion.
The church has indeed been full of lies and manipulation for centuries. It was created as a means of controlling people, and it is the longest-standing method of controlling in the history of mankind. (People-kind, for those of you who are political activists and keeping track. :)
More people have been killed in the name of God than any other reason, and history has proven it.
World Trade Center
Northern Ireland
Kashmir
Middle East, Isreal in particular
Crusades
This is not rocket science. Ahh, science... something religion has a major problem with, along with logic. The negatives of religion have caused such a problem between different races of people. It has taught conservative Christians to hate Muslims, and conservative Muslims to hate Christians. The more devout the religion, the more they're taught to selfishly believe they're the chosen ones over all others. Therefore they lead simple and pointless lives, not to mention not being educated about other people and their values.
However, there are several things about Religion that I do approve of. It gives some people a certain strength that only their faith can give them. These are the people that keep their religions to themselves, and not preach about them all day long, or try to convert others into their faith, just because they believe their God wants them to. These are the kinds of people who have a smile on their face in even the toughest of times.
I have gone to a United Church for years, and I have become educated a great deal about the problems of religion, and what needs to be done about them. Religion should be a learning experience, and used as a means of realizing that we're all one, and that we need to work together to restore this broken world, as opposed to wanting to kill off a race, just because they don't have the same faith that you do. Life is a learning experience. Life is a gift. Use it.
That's religion.
I agree mostly GH.
I am a Christian, and I feel the media among others, have hurt the name of Christians. I never once started a war. Nor have I defamed someone who doesn't believe like me. The majority of Christians these days think they are higher or holier than thou in their collective attitudes, and that is not a good thing to the people who are truly interested. You see people like Benny Hin on t.v. and all the other self proclaimed tele-vangelists out there begging for money while they dress in their silk suits and diamond rings that glare so much when you look at them your blinded. When you mentioned the WTC, and Israel, and the muslums and so on, their need to kill anyone who is not of their kind, is born of hate. I'm not too sure is has to do completly with religion or the person we worship. The Palastinians have hated the Jews for thousands of years, and probably visa-versa. That is more or less because of land issues than religion. (To me)
The reason the WTC was attacked, was more because of the political stand the US has in the world. They were rewarded for their actions (so they think), but the idea behind it wasn't religion.
Now I haven't seen the movie (yet) and don't know much more about it than you guys do. But I do know one thing. The ones who killed Jesus were the Romans. Not the Jews or anyone else. That in histiory is clear. I think Mel will do this movie topic justice, as he is passionate about it. Too bad more people aren't as passionate in their lives about religion and peace. We could all use some of that.
I am a Christian, and I feel the media among others, have hurt the name of Christians. I never once started a war. Nor have I defamed someone who doesn't believe like me. The majority of Christians these days think they are higher or holier than thou in their collective attitudes, and that is not a good thing to the people who are truly interested. You see people like Benny Hin on t.v. and all the other self proclaimed tele-vangelists out there begging for money while they dress in their silk suits and diamond rings that glare so much when you look at them your blinded. When you mentioned the WTC, and Israel, and the muslums and so on, their need to kill anyone who is not of their kind, is born of hate. I'm not too sure is has to do completly with religion or the person we worship. The Palastinians have hated the Jews for thousands of years, and probably visa-versa. That is more or less because of land issues than religion. (To me)
The reason the WTC was attacked, was more because of the political stand the US has in the world. They were rewarded for their actions (so they think), but the idea behind it wasn't religion.
Now I haven't seen the movie (yet) and don't know much more about it than you guys do. But I do know one thing. The ones who killed Jesus were the Romans. Not the Jews or anyone else. That in histiory is clear. I think Mel will do this movie topic justice, as he is passionate about it. Too bad more people aren't as passionate in their lives about religion and peace. We could all use some of that.
II found out about this movie about a month ago. Since then, my family is completely boycotting Mel Gibson and making rude comments about him frequently.
I think that explains our views on the whole 'passion of christ' thing.
BTW- my family isn't "Anti-Catholic", we simply don't like it when people libel our religion.
I think that explains our views on the whole 'passion of christ' thing.
BTW- my family isn't "Anti-Catholic", we simply don't like it when people libel our religion.
'Anti-Catholicism is still the last acceptable prejudice'
yea ...ok and I am the pope too... :-))
there are lots more acceptable prejudices then just catholicism...
Mel's father is actually the one that is considered the radical in religious views peeps
yea ...ok and I am the pope too... :-))
there are lots more acceptable prejudices then just catholicism...
Mel's father is actually the one that is considered the radical in religious views peeps