The Passion of Christ

If the Catholic Church has to make a list of apologies for humanity I will bet that it would be a HUGE one.

But they'll never do thet- they think everything is absolutely fine...

You are right. However, Pope John Paul 2 has made some apologies on behalf of the Catholic Church I think. I maybe wrong on the name of the Pope. Zeni! Willy! Help me!

Karol Wojtyla
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That's his real name...!

I know his name! lol I just want to know if he was the pope who gave the pardons of Galileo and The Crusades to humanity on behalf of the Catholic Church!

What I recall is that Pope John Paul II has apologized for the actions of the Catholic Church during the Nazi Era in Europe. Apparently, the Pope at that time (strangly enough, I can picture him, but not name him) was an anti-Semitic and took an accomodating stance toward Hitler. I do not recall if Pope John Paul II has apologized for those other things that you mention, but they do sound familiar.

The current Pope has come under criticsm for being too conservative in the modern era, but I'm sure we have a few Catholic posters who are more familiar with that than I am.

"That is more or less because of land issues than religion"

Right. But why are there problems with the land? Religion!

They are fighting over the land because they each claim it to be holy ground for reasons described in their separate religions.

See the problem? :)

Pius the XII was the pope then

Wasn't there a huge worldwide controversy a lot bigger than this when Martin Scorcese made "The Last Temptation Of Christ".

As I heard, it is implied on the film that Jesus had sex with Mary Magdalene, so imagine the outburst from the catholic church at a time when they still didn't get over "The Thorn Birds".

The film has been to this date banned in a lot of countries.

True, Bob & Matt, but there is still a difference. We got our lands legally in 1947 by the UN while they attempt to get them by violence.

And yes, I fully agree, it's all about religion. However, what we Jews call "die for God" isn't what you think it is. I can give an example from both Judaism & Islam:
1. Judaism - Someone, like when the Romans ruled Israel, tries to make you convert your religion. You don't agree and prefer to die.
2. Islam - Someone "takes" something you think is yours. You go and kill him\them and die as well.

I am well aware that the Islam isn't in favour of what I just said. Those who die for God the way I pictured it are the extreme religious ones, and you can find examples for them in the Hamas, Hizbollah and ofcourse Al-Qaeda.

Yesterday Al-Qaeda killed 27 people in Turkey, on Saturday 20 people, because we "have taken" their lands. The thing is they have hurt many others - Turks, tourists, and yesterday the British embassador in Istanbul. Those extremists don't care who they hurt as long as they "get" their goal. Why do you think there are even Israelis in Turkey, a Muslam country? They didn't like it here so they went there.

Living where I live, I am forced to know a lot about this subject. I believe in God and religion is a wonderful thing. It teaches many good things and how to treat others. It only gets tricky when you take it too far.

It's not religion or God's fault. It is human nature fault. The resposability always falls on people. It all depends what we do with religion and with what God teaches. We were made free to choose.

If you blame religion or God is like saying "look at what the devil made me do".

Guy, I agree with you. Is not the same to kill for a cause than to die for a cause.

There have een many issues addressed here on this thread, so I will try to refute all of them one at a time.

First off, Pope Pius XII was not an anti-semite. He actually hid many of the Jews of Italy, to prevent Nazic from killing them. Before WWII broke out, Pius XII was extremely critical of Hitler and the way his regime created laws that did not value human dignity, but attacked people based on their race and religion. Because of the Pope's high criticism, many Jewish leaders told the Pope to relax his strong criticism because Vatican City remained neutral, and for the fear of Hitler turning on The Vatican, he was advised to relax, otherwise the Jewish wellbeing in Romewould be jeopardized.

There is an excuse for everything, isn't it...
Again, the Catholics are those misunderstood ones...!!!!

David Yallop: In the name of god...? (not sure about English title)

is the book that teaches you a lot about the catholic church and what's wrong with the Vatican. And there's a lot that's wrong.

And I agree with GH.

Thank you Matt :)