Fenderek
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geeksandgeeks
First of all, my two cents on abortion:
It's nobody else's damn business whether a woman aborts her fetus or not and why. That's one of the most personal decisions a woman (with presumably the help of her doctor and hopefully the father) will ever have to make, and it doesn't concern you.
Secondly, how did this topic take this monster anti-Catholic twist? Mel Gibson isn't the spokesperson for all Catholics.
It's nobody else's damn business whether a woman aborts her fetus or not and why. That's one of the most personal decisions a woman (with presumably the help of her doctor and hopefully the father) will ever have to make, and it doesn't concern you.
Secondly, how did this topic take this monster anti-Catholic twist? Mel Gibson isn't the spokesperson for all Catholics.
Krowa003
"1) (Paraphrased) The more right-wing the Christian, the less they feel they have to be educated about people different than them, because they feel all the more comforable with their faith."
I can say the same thing about left wing librals. This is a general statement that can be applied to anybody, not just Christians.
"2) "The church has progressed over the past 2000 years, and very little has remained the same! The style of worship hasn't changed much in the past couple hundred years, but 2000 years ago, there was no such thing as Catholicism. That was created much later on from the roots of Judaism."
The Catholic Church has existed for over the last 2000 years. It Obviously grew over the ages, and that's a case with any religion. However, the Church's dogma and faith have remained the same even though certain things might have changed. Catholicism was Christianity,untilthe more specific distinction needed to be made when the Eastern Orthodox and the Protestant Churches broke away.
"3) Definition of "sin", and the proper translation. Refer to page 3, and the "prodigal son" story. On page 4, I explain myself a little better."
The way I look at it, in order for something to be considered sinful, it has to be a wrongful act committed in the name of or in God in mind. For example, I think calling your friend a bad name is not really a sinful act.
Im going to be posting my response to the other ones over the next few days. I am swamped with work now so I will do my best. Don't automatically assume that I won't do it (Fenderek!)
I can say the same thing about left wing librals. This is a general statement that can be applied to anybody, not just Christians.
"2) "The church has progressed over the past 2000 years, and very little has remained the same! The style of worship hasn't changed much in the past couple hundred years, but 2000 years ago, there was no such thing as Catholicism. That was created much later on from the roots of Judaism."
The Catholic Church has existed for over the last 2000 years. It Obviously grew over the ages, and that's a case with any religion. However, the Church's dogma and faith have remained the same even though certain things might have changed. Catholicism was Christianity,untilthe more specific distinction needed to be made when the Eastern Orthodox and the Protestant Churches broke away.
"3) Definition of "sin", and the proper translation. Refer to page 3, and the "prodigal son" story. On page 4, I explain myself a little better."
The way I look at it, in order for something to be considered sinful, it has to be a wrongful act committed in the name of or in God in mind. For example, I think calling your friend a bad name is not really a sinful act.
Im going to be posting my response to the other ones over the next few days. I am swamped with work now so I will do my best. Don't automatically assume that I won't do it (Fenderek!)
The Real Wizard
"I can say the same thing about left wing librals. This is a general statement that can be applied to anybody, not just Christians."
At least we don't tell people they're unworthy and going to hell for not being on our side.
"The Catholic Church has existed for over the last 2000 years."
No, it hasn't. :) There wasn't even a such thing as Christianity 2000 years ago. Christianity was built from Judaism, and it really didn't come into being until about the year 300.
"The way I look at it, in order for something to be considered sinful, it has to be a wrongful act committed in the name of or in God in mind."
My point was, that this entire concept of sin, and how most Catholics spend their lives begging for forgiveness, is an utter lie, as the concept of sin was artificially created out of an incorrect translation of the word.
At least we don't tell people they're unworthy and going to hell for not being on our side.
"The Catholic Church has existed for over the last 2000 years."
No, it hasn't. :) There wasn't even a such thing as Christianity 2000 years ago. Christianity was built from Judaism, and it really didn't come into being until about the year 300.
"The way I look at it, in order for something to be considered sinful, it has to be a wrongful act committed in the name of or in God in mind."
My point was, that this entire concept of sin, and how most Catholics spend their lives begging for forgiveness, is an utter lie, as the concept of sin was artificially created out of an incorrect translation of the word.
Saint Jiub
"At least we don't tell people they're unworthy and going to hell for not being on our side."
LOL - Are you serious? Listen to yourself ...
Either way, religion is often used as a crutch to semi-legitimize their marginal beliefs and inflate their selfworth at the expense of others - particularly for extremists on either side of the political fence. I find Guitar Hero's intolerance of Catholics to be disturbing. Perhaps Bob would like to move to Louisiana and join the homophobic rednecks there for good company as Catholics are not too popular there.
Krowa is merely defending his religion from hateful scorn pretending to be scholarly research.
Guitar Hero, thank you for confirming my belief that religion is bullshit and dangerous in the hand of liberal OR conservative extremists.
I am thankful I do not need the crutch of religion.
LOL - Are you serious? Listen to yourself ...
Either way, religion is often used as a crutch to semi-legitimize their marginal beliefs and inflate their selfworth at the expense of others - particularly for extremists on either side of the political fence. I find Guitar Hero's intolerance of Catholics to be disturbing. Perhaps Bob would like to move to Louisiana and join the homophobic rednecks there for good company as Catholics are not too popular there.
Krowa is merely defending his religion from hateful scorn pretending to be scholarly research.
Guitar Hero, thank you for confirming my belief that religion is bullshit and dangerous in the hand of liberal OR conservative extremists.
I am thankful I do not need the crutch of religion.
The Real Wizard
"At least we don't tell people they're unworthy and going to hell for not being on our side.
LOL - Are you serious? Listen to yourself ..."
Don't say that it doesn't happen, because it does! I've been to services in Catholic and Baptist churches, and they can get pretty fucking scary. What's scarier is that every other person in the room was believing it. Scripture teaches that those who don't believe will go to hell. The conservative ones believe every word, and condemn those who aren't exactly like them. That's called religious reality.
"Perhaps Bob would like to move to Louisiana and join the homophobic rednecks there for good company as Catholics are not too popular there."
Where did I say I'd get along with homophobic people? In fact, I stood up for gay people earlier in the topic when our beloved Catholic was saying that their lifestyle was unnatural and undesirable.
Pretending to have scholarly research? Where do you get off saying that? It's either you know the stuff or you don't, and I'm glad I've taken an educated direction in terms of religion. I didn't say I hate anyone. I just disagree with many of the practices that the majority of Catholics engage in within their lifetime.
Bully, you're clearly an athiest who has done zero research into the history of religion, so who are you to tell me that I'm an extremist, just because I know a few things about the topic? I'm just saying things as they are. And who are you to slag off my knowledge as "hateful scorn pretending to be scholarly research" ?? If you're comfortable being spiritually empty, then fine. But don't rag on someone is taking religion with a pinch of salt, and is actually *thinking* about it, rather than mindlessly going either conservative or athiest.
"Guitar Hero, thank you for confirming my belief that religion is bullshit and dangerous in the hand of liberal OR conservative extremists."
You say "liberal" as if it's a negative thing like conservatism. If an open mind outside the boundaries of religion is a bad thing too, then I don't know what's good in this world anymore.
LOL - Are you serious? Listen to yourself ..."
Don't say that it doesn't happen, because it does! I've been to services in Catholic and Baptist churches, and they can get pretty fucking scary. What's scarier is that every other person in the room was believing it. Scripture teaches that those who don't believe will go to hell. The conservative ones believe every word, and condemn those who aren't exactly like them. That's called religious reality.
"Perhaps Bob would like to move to Louisiana and join the homophobic rednecks there for good company as Catholics are not too popular there."
Where did I say I'd get along with homophobic people? In fact, I stood up for gay people earlier in the topic when our beloved Catholic was saying that their lifestyle was unnatural and undesirable.
Pretending to have scholarly research? Where do you get off saying that? It's either you know the stuff or you don't, and I'm glad I've taken an educated direction in terms of religion. I didn't say I hate anyone. I just disagree with many of the practices that the majority of Catholics engage in within their lifetime.
Bully, you're clearly an athiest who has done zero research into the history of religion, so who are you to tell me that I'm an extremist, just because I know a few things about the topic? I'm just saying things as they are. And who are you to slag off my knowledge as "hateful scorn pretending to be scholarly research" ?? If you're comfortable being spiritually empty, then fine. But don't rag on someone is taking religion with a pinch of salt, and is actually *thinking* about it, rather than mindlessly going either conservative or athiest.
"Guitar Hero, thank you for confirming my belief that religion is bullshit and dangerous in the hand of liberal OR conservative extremists."
You say "liberal" as if it's a negative thing like conservatism. If an open mind outside the boundaries of religion is a bad thing too, then I don't know what's good in this world anymore.
Saint Jiub
"LOL - Are you serious? Listen to yourself ..."
"If you haven't seen it in action, then don't say that it doesn't happen."
Your damning of Catholics is just as hypocritical as the right wing christian's sanctimonious baloney.
"You're clearly an athiest who has done no research into the history of religion, so who are you to tell me that I'm an extremist? I'm just saying things as they are."
Sure, no bias by you here. Why should I waste time researching religion when I can spend time on Queenzone instead and waste my time here?
"Perhaps Bob would like to move to Louisiana and join the homophobic rednecks there for good company as Catholics are not too popular there."
"Where did I say I'd get along with homophobic people?"
You did not, but you condemned all of the USA (in another thread) for the actions of a few in Louisiana, similarly to how you condemn Catholics.
"hateful scorn pretending to be scholarly research"
"Pretending? Where do you get off saying that? It's either you know the stuff or you don't. I didn't say I hate anyone. I just disagree with many of the practices that the majority of Catholics do within their lifetime."
Still looks like a vendetta to me ...
"I am thankful I do not need the crutch of religion."
"And being spiritually empty is any better?"
Funny, I don't feel empty. Isn't spirituality a myth?
"If you haven't seen it in action, then don't say that it doesn't happen."
Your damning of Catholics is just as hypocritical as the right wing christian's sanctimonious baloney.
"You're clearly an athiest who has done no research into the history of religion, so who are you to tell me that I'm an extremist? I'm just saying things as they are."
Sure, no bias by you here. Why should I waste time researching religion when I can spend time on Queenzone instead and waste my time here?
"Perhaps Bob would like to move to Louisiana and join the homophobic rednecks there for good company as Catholics are not too popular there."
"Where did I say I'd get along with homophobic people?"
You did not, but you condemned all of the USA (in another thread) for the actions of a few in Louisiana, similarly to how you condemn Catholics.
"hateful scorn pretending to be scholarly research"
"Pretending? Where do you get off saying that? It's either you know the stuff or you don't. I didn't say I hate anyone. I just disagree with many of the practices that the majority of Catholics do within their lifetime."
Still looks like a vendetta to me ...
"I am thankful I do not need the crutch of religion."
"And being spiritually empty is any better?"
Funny, I don't feel empty. Isn't spirituality a myth?
The Real Wizard
Btw, one more paragraph in the last post that I added...
"Your damning of Catholics is just as hypocritical as the right wing christian's sanctimonious baloney."
In other words, having no opinion on the subject is the only way to be free of criticism from you?
"Sure, no bias by you here. Why should I waste time researching religion when I can spend time on Queenzone instead and waste my time here?"
Hey, I never said that everyone needs to do research into religion. I just think you have no right cutting mine to shreds, being as you have virtually no knowledge on the subject. To the outsider like yourself, of course it looks like one extreme against another. In reality, it's one extreme merely looking at the other, and trying to show an alternative point of view.
"You did not, but you condemned all of the USA (in another thread) for the actions of a few in Louisiana, similarly to how you condemn Catholics."
I don't think I've even written the word "Lousiana" on this board before... But I'm sure that whatever you're referring to, you took it out of context, as usual, and put your own little spin on it just for the sake of condemning someone.
"Still looks like a vendetta to me ..."
And the problem is? What's wrong with being passionate about something, and wanting to chat with people about it?
"Funny, I don't feel empty. Isn't spirituality a myth?"
Meh, it could be. You're asking the wrong guy. I'm the Agnostic one who loves being educated. If the religious people are right, then I'll experience whatever they say I'm supposed to experience. If not, then I'll continue to learn.
Look through this topic; never once have I said that I'm 100% right about something when it comes to faith or spirituality. I can *think* it's wrong all I want, but that's as far as it can go. For anyone who reads this, it's up to them whether or not they want to entertain the alternative view that the liberal and open mind is bringing to the table.
"Your damning of Catholics is just as hypocritical as the right wing christian's sanctimonious baloney."
In other words, having no opinion on the subject is the only way to be free of criticism from you?
"Sure, no bias by you here. Why should I waste time researching religion when I can spend time on Queenzone instead and waste my time here?"
Hey, I never said that everyone needs to do research into religion. I just think you have no right cutting mine to shreds, being as you have virtually no knowledge on the subject. To the outsider like yourself, of course it looks like one extreme against another. In reality, it's one extreme merely looking at the other, and trying to show an alternative point of view.
"You did not, but you condemned all of the USA (in another thread) for the actions of a few in Louisiana, similarly to how you condemn Catholics."
I don't think I've even written the word "Lousiana" on this board before... But I'm sure that whatever you're referring to, you took it out of context, as usual, and put your own little spin on it just for the sake of condemning someone.
"Still looks like a vendetta to me ..."
And the problem is? What's wrong with being passionate about something, and wanting to chat with people about it?
"Funny, I don't feel empty. Isn't spirituality a myth?"
Meh, it could be. You're asking the wrong guy. I'm the Agnostic one who loves being educated. If the religious people are right, then I'll experience whatever they say I'm supposed to experience. If not, then I'll continue to learn.
Look through this topic; never once have I said that I'm 100% right about something when it comes to faith or spirituality. I can *think* it's wrong all I want, but that's as far as it can go. For anyone who reads this, it's up to them whether or not they want to entertain the alternative view that the liberal and open mind is bringing to the table.
Saint Jiub
http://queenzone.com/queen/forum/topic_view.asp?Q_FORUM_ID=3&Q_FORUM_NAME=Personal&Q_FORUM_TOPIC_ID=294139&TOPIC_SUBJECT=Boy+Punished+for+Talking+About+Gay+Mom+
Saint Jiub
I suppose I should have rechecked that link before I typed. I must have wishfully attributed some of the American bashing post to you.
I apologize for that fuck up, but I stand by my other uneducated comments.
I apologize for that fuck up, but I stand by my other uneducated comments.
The Real Wizard
hehe that was just a joke with Niek...
It's rather ridiculous to stereotype an entire country for anything...
But taking a dump on the Whitehouse would be a good time, any time, for many, many people.
It's rather ridiculous to stereotype an entire country for anything...
But taking a dump on the Whitehouse would be a good time, any time, for many, many people.
Fenderek
<< The way I look at it, in order for something to be considered sinful, it has to be a wrongful act committed in the name of or in God in mind. For example, I think calling your friend a bad name is not really a sinful act. >>
POINT 1. So why is being a homosexual bad thing...?
POINT 2. You're contradicting yourself. IN BIBLE Jesus said sth like "whatever you do untu others, you do unto me..."; sorry can't give you EXACT quote, but that's pretty much what he said... so calling someone bad names would be a crime against... God, wouldn't it? As I said- catholicism contradics itself
Fenderek
Another thing:
the whole catholicism began- what, 2000 years ago...17000... The Bible was written then and so were the rules of the church... And maybe- just maybe- 2000 years ago it was good for people and accesible- they could pretty much UNDERSTAND it, because of the way it was all written; the thing is throughout those 2000 years ppl went further with their knowledge and philosophy and... they are now able to see abd undertand more. This is not, however, the case with the institution of church- it simply stuck in middle ages...
the whole catholicism began- what, 2000 years ago...17000... The Bible was written then and so were the rules of the church... And maybe- just maybe- 2000 years ago it was good for people and accesible- they could pretty much UNDERSTAND it, because of the way it was all written; the thing is throughout those 2000 years ppl went further with their knowledge and philosophy and... they are now able to see abd undertand more. This is not, however, the case with the institution of church- it simply stuck in middle ages...
The Real Wizard
Thanks for your two cents pal, but I think we're done here, unfortunately. :(
And yes, the quote is "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". I wouldn't go as far as saying it's a crime against God, but if they're cutting someone else to shreds, then by scripture, they deserve to be cut to shreds by others as well. But isn't that what we're doing, Fenderek? :P
And yes, the quote is "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". I wouldn't go as far as saying it's a crime against God, but if they're cutting someone else to shreds, then by scripture, they deserve to be cut to shreds by others as well. But isn't that what we're doing, Fenderek? :P
Fenderek
So there was no reply to all of them...:) i knew that!