Guitar Hero, I am not sure I can see you whole argument on fundamentalism very clearly. Can you elaborate further?
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'Anti-Catholicism is still the last acceptable prejudice'
You're kidding me, right? If a politician says something anti-Catholic, people call for them to be drawn and quartered. But our President drapes an arm around Rick Santorum when he makes disgusting, homophobic comments.
But I do agree with you that anti-Catholicism is a problem. People associate Catholics with weird, freakish people who molest little kids. That's wrong.
If Mel Gibson wants to make anti-Semitic trash, that's his business. We don't have to watch it.
You're kidding me, right? If a politician says something anti-Catholic, people call for them to be drawn and quartered. But our President drapes an arm around Rick Santorum when he makes disgusting, homophobic comments.
But I do agree with you that anti-Catholicism is a problem. People associate Catholics with weird, freakish people who molest little kids. That's wrong.
If Mel Gibson wants to make anti-Semitic trash, that's his business. We don't have to watch it.
"If Mel Gibson wants to make anti-Semitic trash, that's his business. We don't have to watch it."
It's that simple
It's that simple
Bearing in mind that NOT ONE of you has seen this movie yet, why are you already labeling it anti-semetic? You have already seen how Guy has labeled MrJangles anti-semetic SOLELY to try to shut him up - couldn't the same thing be happening to Gibson's movie? Make your own mind up and don't let other people do your thinking for you.
"Guitar Hero, I am not sure I can see you whole argument on fundamentalism very clearly. Can you elaborate further?"
I've really had enough of this topic, to be honest.
I've stated all I can state. Fundamentalism is pure brainwash. These people don't think for themselves, and they quote the bible at every opportunity, because they feel that they have to convert people into born-again Christians for a living.
I said before, they are only hurting themselves, which is their own problem. It only bugs me when they convert people, and then they become like them... like it's a disease.
Religion can be a beautiful thing, but this specfic practice seems like some kind of abuse.
I've really had enough of this topic, to be honest.
I've stated all I can state. Fundamentalism is pure brainwash. These people don't think for themselves, and they quote the bible at every opportunity, because they feel that they have to convert people into born-again Christians for a living.
I said before, they are only hurting themselves, which is their own problem. It only bugs me when they convert people, and then they become like them... like it's a disease.
Religion can be a beautiful thing, but this specfic practice seems like some kind of abuse.
Ofcourse you know what's going on in my head so you know I said that to shut him up, right?
If he wouldn't say anti-semitic statements I wouldn't call him that.
If he wouldn't say anti-semitic statements I wouldn't call him that.
Krowa, make an effort and read the WHOLE thread. Everything is in there. Interesting is that you didn't reply to 90% of what has been said...
<< If he wouldn't say anti-semitic statements I wouldn't call him that. >>
Guy, if you want to think they're anti-semitic, then that's your opinion. But that's because you can only see one side of the conflict.
Umm no, we have plenty of reporters here who report from the Palestinian side.
You're right, Holly, I stand corrected. I have not seen the film, nor do I plan to. But I have heard reports from both sides, and those associated with the making of the film are not very convincing.
Of course, I have tried on several different forums, mostly populated by very intelligent (?) people, to defend Mel Gibson's right to make the film as well as their right to call him a yellow-bellied son of a bitch. Each time I am then labeled as an anti-Semitic beast who is encouraging the spread of filth. (I will decline to mention that my best friend is Jewish.) Pretty much everybody involved is acting stupidly. Can we please come up with a way to deal with it that 1) does not involve censorshiop, and 2) does not involve ripping out anyone's throat?
I say that we don't go see it if we don't want to. You could do the same thing with "Fatal Attraction".
Of course, I have tried on several different forums, mostly populated by very intelligent (?) people, to defend Mel Gibson's right to make the film as well as their right to call him a yellow-bellied son of a bitch. Each time I am then labeled as an anti-Semitic beast who is encouraging the spread of filth. (I will decline to mention that my best friend is Jewish.) Pretty much everybody involved is acting stupidly. Can we please come up with a way to deal with it that 1) does not involve censorshiop, and 2) does not involve ripping out anyone's throat?
I say that we don't go see it if we don't want to. You could do the same thing with "Fatal Attraction".
I would never label Catholicism as fundamentalism clearly because Roman Catholicism relies on two things, scripture and tradition.
This is not the case for many Protestant sects here in the United States. Some Protestants, especially the Baptists, are labeled as "Bible thumpers" because they only use scripture to prove their point, and this is obviously wrong to do.
This is not the case for many Protestant sects here in the United States. Some Protestants, especially the Baptists, are labeled as "Bible thumpers" because they only use scripture to prove their point, and this is obviously wrong to do.
Fenderek,you have made a very interesting comment before:
"I detest this thing[Catholicism] with all my heart; it's lies, hypocrisy and- basically- it's anti-human nature approach..."
First of all, the last thing you can say that Catholicism uses the anti-human nature approach. After all the Catholic Church is the biggest defender Natural Law, that is why the Church opposes homosexual acts and abortion.
Second, hypocrisy and lies? Can you point it out for me? I really have a hard time seeing this, especially the hypocrisy part.
"I detest this thing[Catholicism] with all my heart; it's lies, hypocrisy and- basically- it's anti-human nature approach..."
First of all, the last thing you can say that Catholicism uses the anti-human nature approach. After all the Catholic Church is the biggest defender Natural Law, that is why the Church opposes homosexual acts and abortion.
Second, hypocrisy and lies? Can you point it out for me? I really have a hard time seeing this, especially the hypocrisy part.
Iron Eagle posted:
"there are lots more acceptable prejudices then just [anti]-catholicism...
Mel's father is actually the one that is considered the radical in religious views peeps"
You are right, other prejudices do exist even bigger than anti-Catholicism. However, other prejudices are not as tolerated as anti-Catholicism. For example when the black race comes into question or is being attacked you have Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, American Civil Liberties union, and Anti Defamation League defending them publicly. Did you ever hear of ACLU defending Catholicism? Of Course not!
Let me give you another example. Couple of years back the movie "The Seige" was being filmed in NYC. It is about Arab terrorists in the city. The production company had to hire special professors and consultants of Muslim faith so that the movie does not portray the Arabs as terrorists because after all, their scripture teaches against terrorism. Well, what about movies like "Dogma" and "Stigmata" where the Catholic scripture is parodied and lampooned, and made a total mockary of? What about that?
And now, this film by Mel Gibson, do you know what his script was? It was the Gospel according to St. John. I guess the Catholic Church has been reading anti-Semitic literature for the last 2000 years. On top of that, none of us have seen the movie, yet some of you have become the judge, jury and executioners, and have already convicted Gibson and his film.
We need to re-evaluate ourselves, and come to a conclusion that if we are going to be bashing one faith, then we have to bash the others just as equally. However, we should never bash religions, rather have respect for eachother, which should also be equal.
"there are lots more acceptable prejudices then just [anti]-catholicism...
Mel's father is actually the one that is considered the radical in religious views peeps"
You are right, other prejudices do exist even bigger than anti-Catholicism. However, other prejudices are not as tolerated as anti-Catholicism. For example when the black race comes into question or is being attacked you have Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, American Civil Liberties union, and Anti Defamation League defending them publicly. Did you ever hear of ACLU defending Catholicism? Of Course not!
Let me give you another example. Couple of years back the movie "The Seige" was being filmed in NYC. It is about Arab terrorists in the city. The production company had to hire special professors and consultants of Muslim faith so that the movie does not portray the Arabs as terrorists because after all, their scripture teaches against terrorism. Well, what about movies like "Dogma" and "Stigmata" where the Catholic scripture is parodied and lampooned, and made a total mockary of? What about that?
And now, this film by Mel Gibson, do you know what his script was? It was the Gospel according to St. John. I guess the Catholic Church has been reading anti-Semitic literature for the last 2000 years. On top of that, none of us have seen the movie, yet some of you have become the judge, jury and executioners, and have already convicted Gibson and his film.
We need to re-evaluate ourselves, and come to a conclusion that if we are going to be bashing one faith, then we have to bash the others just as equally. However, we should never bash religions, rather have respect for eachother, which should also be equal.
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In regards to homosexuals, the Catholic Church never condemns the individual, however it does condemn the act. You can be gay, but don't take part in unnatural acts that go against the grain of Natural Law.
The Catholic Church does not think sex is "ugly". The Church beleives it is important and a beautiful means for a man and a woman to accomplish two things: to unify the couple and to produce a family.
In nature, some people are not meant to have children. That is why some have low sperm count or bad fallopian tubes; this is just a product of nature. The reason why priests remain celibate, is because they can serve the community a lot better, and address their issues if they don't have their own personal problems at home tying them down. The priests have made a life long sacrifice to serve the community and the Church 24/7. Also, what about Buddhist monks? Aren't they celibate? How come nobody has a problem with them, Not that anyone should. But if you are going to attack celibacy, address all those involved in it.
The entire recent Church scandal, has brought shame and disappointment to the institution, and I believe that as moral leaders it should have never happened in the first place. However, did you ever hear the media address the child abuse issue in NYC public shools? Of course not, even though there are far more cases there then in the Church. Out of all the priests, only less than 2% have been involved in the scandal. So once again, if you are going to address ceratin issues, we should look at the whole spectrum.
By the way, this is a bit off topic, are you still living in Poland, Fenderek?
The Catholic Church does not think sex is "ugly". The Church beleives it is important and a beautiful means for a man and a woman to accomplish two things: to unify the couple and to produce a family.
In nature, some people are not meant to have children. That is why some have low sperm count or bad fallopian tubes; this is just a product of nature. The reason why priests remain celibate, is because they can serve the community a lot better, and address their issues if they don't have their own personal problems at home tying them down. The priests have made a life long sacrifice to serve the community and the Church 24/7. Also, what about Buddhist monks? Aren't they celibate? How come nobody has a problem with them, Not that anyone should. But if you are going to attack celibacy, address all those involved in it.
The entire recent Church scandal, has brought shame and disappointment to the institution, and I believe that as moral leaders it should have never happened in the first place. However, did you ever hear the media address the child abuse issue in NYC public shools? Of course not, even though there are far more cases there then in the Church. Out of all the priests, only less than 2% have been involved in the scandal. So once again, if you are going to address ceratin issues, we should look at the whole spectrum.
By the way, this is a bit off topic, are you still living in Poland, Fenderek?