The Passion of Christ

I'll tell you the truth, I really don't know what Catholic churches preach or don't preach. I'm just saying that when somebody tells you to prove that something which is written in the Bible really happened you can't. I don't know how to say it in English, but I'll try to give an example anyway:

In the Bible there is a story about how when the Egyptians were persuing the people of Israel the sea of Suf was cut in half and allowed the people of Israel to pass through.

Logically an act like that can't happen, can it? But I believe in God and I believe that "split" was a miracle and that it really happened. Obviously I can't prove it but it's something I believe in.

See what I mean?

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"In the Catholic church, there is one book, and that is the Bible. In your local library, there are dozens of books you can read that were written by people who are exponentially more knowledgeable than priests."

When it comes to books, there are authors that write them who support Catholicism and those who do not. Same thing for any other religion. I can sit her and recomend you books that are for the Church and you can reomend some that are against; and this coulg go on forever.

"When you are 19, experiencing your first labour pains, and trying to raise a child on a minimum-wage salary, then I'd love to hear all you have to say about abortion."

Listen man, you are no doubt very knowledgeable, but the statement above is the most IGNORANT thing you can say! How can you sacrifice a life of an unborn child for your own sake, as a 19 year old, you have a choice of where you want your life to head, the tiny baby does not. We do not live in the middle ages, ok. There are many social programs that can help people. The problem is some people do not take adventage of them because they either don't know or are to embarassed to do so. I can't comprehend how you can justify labour pains with eliminating life.

"So I can be a doctor, but I'm not allowed to practice medicine? And who are you to say what is natural? So you have the right to say a gay person is not natural, but he can't tell you that you're unnatural in your belief that their sexuality isn't natural?"

Listen, put your beliefs aside for a minute, and tell me, is homosexuality natural? Is that what nature intended? Of course not. The simplest reason for sex is to procreate and to advance the existance of the species. Gay sex does not allow that. The reason why the Church condemns the act because like what I said before which you have IGNORED, there are two reasons for sex. To bring the man and woman together-to unify them, and to produce children.

Guitar Hero, I have addressed the issues, ok? Your meaning of open-mindness is to accept everything in our culture. Whether is homosexuality, abortion, or anything else. What if I came and told you I am into beastiality? Do you think that should be accepted? According to your arguments yes, otherwise you are denying me my sexuality, and you won't be open minded.

People please I mean u can't be that heartless to deny the right for the Palestainians to defend themsleves those people have been striped from everything that they have they've been living under humiliation for over what 40 years they have obviously lost hope in thier freedom and lets say that juresilam really belongs to the jews!! does that give them the excuse to kill as many Palsetanians as they like and destroy thier houses and take away thier lands and invade thier villages??
the Israli army is armed to the teeth and the Palestainians have nothing beside thier STONES and still they attack them with thier tanks and shoot them with some weapons that are even porhibited to be used in WARS!! and they are daily expermenting and inventing new weapons so for GODS sake tell me does this sound like a country that wants peace???and not to mention all the NUCULAR FACILITES that they have, which haven't and will not be invistgated, i'm waiting for someone to give me a good reason WHY NOT ?
and after all that you call Hamas and the other military groups terroriests !! "buy the way they ARE nothing like al-quida 'cause al-quida IS a terroriest group" ...so if Hamas didn't exisit belive me there wouldnt be any palsetanians left on the land!.
and i also want to know how does a conflict start !! dosent it start by a side attcking the other?? if yes !! then if u have some free time go and take a look at the videos or the articals that date back to when the state of Isareal was born and you will see who's responsiable for all of this.

sorry for my english, hope you all got the idea.

and i truley don't believe in the word "Anti-Semetisem" why such a word was invented it's 'cause they can defend every single action that they do when people start to question them!!
and to also implement the thought that they are GOD's chosen people...how come there isn't a word called "Anti-Islamic" how come movies are being made in Holly wood that hurt Islam and muslim people and stick the idea to the minds of the people that ALL muslims are terrorists !!! and when we complain we dont even get an apoligy ?
but when a movie with true Historical facts is being made about JESUS who happens to be the symbol of Christianty NOT Jeudism...they start a fuss on how this movie must be banned 'cause it's "Anti-Semteic"

Just for your information, the term "anti-semitism" was first used by the German (and Jew-hater) reporter Wilhelm Marr.

Was it more comfortable for you to believe a Jew invented the term, or you just said that with no reason at all?

Guitar Hero I respect you .

Oh, about all the things you said about Israel, it's quite obvious you know nothing about this subject.

GUY first of all i want you to be sure that i have nothing against the jewish PEOPLE 'cause they are victims exactly like us caught in this big act.

and this is just to clarify that Jerusalem dosen't belong to the jews.

Jesus said to the Jews: "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 21:43)"

"And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. (From the KJV Bible, Genesis 17:19-21)"

Ishmael happens to be the father of the muslims.


and we muslims never denied that the jews were GOD Almighty's chosen people:

"We did aforetime grant to the Children of Israel the Book the Power of Command, and Prophethood; We gave them, for Sustenance, things good and pure; and We favoured them above the nations. (The Noble Quran, 45:16)"

I have one question for you:

Do you think I, or any Jew for this matter, will change my mind about Jerusalem just because Jesus said so? I'm Jew, not Christian.

" In the Catholic church, there is one book, and that is the Bible. In your local library, there are dozens of books you can read that were written by people who are exponentially more knowledgeable than priests."

Listen, you cant post here titles of countless of books which attack the Church. I on the other hand can post books that support the Church. There are many books out there by various authors, not just priests, that address various aspects of the Catholic Church.

"When you are 19, experiencing your first labour pains, and trying to raise a child on a minimum-wage salary, then I'd love to hear all you have to say about abortion."

The statement above is the most IGNORANT thing a person can say. You or anyone else by no means have the right to eliminate life! Who gave people the authority to dispose of unwanted life? One thing you are overlookimg is the fact that there is a plethora of social programs to help young mothers in need. And the Catholic Church is one of the big supporters of those programs. Young people do not want to raise a child because they are either irresponsible ( like they were when they got knocked up), or they dont want to go on social assistance because it emabarassing. If you are 19, you have the ability to make sound choices and decisions. But you are not giving the baby that option. You talk about labour pains. So what? You will kill a baby just so a woman won't go through labour? Labour pains are part of life for a woman. What if she decides to have a child in 10 years? She will still have labour pains. Give me a break dude!

"So I can be a doctor, but I'm not allowed to practice medicine? And who are you to say what is natural? So you have the right to say a gay person is not natural, but he can't tell you that you're unnatural in your belief that their sexuality isn't natural?"

Are you going to tell me that homosexuality is natural? Putting religion aside, the pasic premise of sex is to procreate and to advance the existance of the species. Having gay sex will not accomplish any of that. Gays cannot tell me that my belief is unatural, because of what I said above.

Now you tell me I am not open-minded? Form what you have been telling me, your idea of open mindedness is to accept everything that is part of our culture. What if I said I was into beastiality? According to your argument you would have to accept me because that is my sexual preference, and after all you do not want to deny me my sexuality.

A line has to be drawn somewhere. You cannot accept one group of people(gays) and not another( polygamists, those who practic inncest and beastiality). The Church is using the Law of Nature to draw that line.

if you thought that this is what i was trying to say then it was worth a shot..but no I was just refering to Jesus since we muslims won't be considerd as muslims if we didn't believe in him along with Moses and Abraham, Joseph....peace be upon them.
so then i guess i have the right to qoute him!!and it was just to clear up some thoughts and inlighten more about islam thats all..

"Just for your information, the term "anti-semitism" was first used by the German (and Jew-hater) reporter Wilhelm Marr."

and thanx for correcting me GUY about the origin of the word i have to admit that i never knew!!

but i'm still sure that i'm right about why they use this word now.

Matt, come to MSN if you're around :)