The Passion Of The Christ

Have you ever watched 'Jesus of Nazareth' by Franco Zeffirelli, Matt?

If so, what do you think of 'The Passion' compared to that one.

I have to watch it, thanks Matt

As an atheist, i doubt it will have the same effect on me as it did on Matt if and when I eventually see it. I hate to see any human being tortured like that. I don't care if it's Jesus Christ or Joe Schmoe, it's wrong. The movie certainly reinforces THAT, if nothing else.

It looks like it was well done. But having heard one of my best friends' reports of it, I'm not so sure I'll be able to stomach it. He had to be rushed out of the theater after 20 or 30 minutes, due to retching on the floor.

I assume that since you are an atheist that you can disprove the existence of God? Perhaps you are more of an agnostic than atheist.

You aren't required to 'disprove' the existence of God to be an atheist Zeni. You simply refuse to acknowledge it, which is somewhat different. It can be argued against, but not disproved, just as those who do acknowledge his existence can never prove it to be so.

I don't believe in such nonsense however, but I have no desire to be labelled as anything.

Except perhaps Scoundrel and Coward, which I freely admit to being.

I can't wait to see it.

"You simply refuse to acknowledge it, which is somewhat different."

I don't quite see the difference. I think that refusing to acknowledge still falls into the agnostic catagory. Care to expand?


"It can be argued against, but not disproved, just as those who do acknowledge his existence can never prove it to be so."

I agree. But I think that most people that claim they don't believe in a god are actually agnostic and recognize the fact that they can never prove or disprove it.

Why must we be labelled so?

I am happy going through life just being me.

I'm not arguing for labels, but I hate seeing terms thrown around without due thought as to what they mean.

On the contrary, I know precisely what they mean.

It is not you, oh great Flashy, that I was doubting.

Why label Mandy as agnostic if she never gave a hint that she believes in God.

I've been talking to her for quite a while, and though she has told me that she's atheist, she has never made it seem like she believes in God or follows a certain kind of faith. Then again we have never discussed our own religion beliefs.

Well it better not be Zeni, that's all.

You've made my 'Eyes Damned' counter increase now.

It was only a matter of time, Flashy.

This conversation would be a perfect example of exponential decay for my math class. We have gotten bakc on the subject of Flashman's damning people's eyes, which always ends up with us all giggling like idiots :).

Zeni, you don't have to prove anything to be an atheist, any more than the Christian camp has to prove anything. I don't believe there are any deities. I respect a person's right to believe so. All atheism means is that we deny the existence of a god. It doesn't mean we are intolerant, militant little berks who insist that we know God does not exist.

By your logic, everyone is an agnostic. No one can prove anything.