Queen invented hiphop....

yo yo eeeaaazy now as far as hip hop and urban music goes the fullest flavoured and rooted of them all is not found in the charts you find them in the live acts such as the Roots, The Specials, Bigyard etc..

am a musician to... I was in my local military brass band for five years and now am out I play reggae and ska on my trumpets my god what a crime!! lol!
grade 8 pianist but still when people say am an expert or woteva it sounds bull!! am as amateur as the next star that dont know much about musical up bringing.

the thing is I been there and done some of that stuff and its been a pretty tough journey lookin back..
but at least I can blossom in my compositions... like sponge I still soak up new Ideas at the same time buying Cds of pass greats and legends, and all I can show to those listening to me in the present day is the combination of sound I can make out of all of flavoured vibe.

and Hip hop is inspiring... it inspired Queen, Elvis etc... when I say hip hop I mean urban music when I talk urban music I mean black music....
my band is solidly influenced to this vibe as the music is very basic in its structure and the notes each ensemble plays layers up to bring a new flavour which bounces... its just WOOOOHHOO COOL!!

anyways yes I love hip hop I love most taste yes the pop generating machine has made sell outs to this genre and other big genres such as swing jazz and blues dont mention the Covers of songs that hit number ones with a different name!

to all you people out their stay raw make raw find water from raw and no one can put you down when your flower grows.
cos raw flava what makes all of us unique

http://www.rapworld.com/history/

I have to agree with Sir GH that there really is something wrong with popular music today. I can't even imagine what the cause of this problem is, but I don't think that it is the fault of black music in general.

I think that some of the best modern music that you can hear on the radio today is on the black/hip hop station. Although some of it is way too repetitive, I think that hip hop is at least pretty original. It also has a lot of really interesting syncopation in the rhythm. And Matt points out all of the wonderful bands that inspired hip hop: Earth, Wind and Fire, Isley Brothers, Parliament/Funkadelic, etc.

On the other hand, there seems to be something really wrong with a lot of WHITE MUSIC on the radio today. The best way to describe the problem, I think, is to say that it is just so BORING! In particular, some of the "serious" singer/songwriter people write songs with no melody or rhythm and these boring lyrics about "relationships". When I am forced to listen to this kind of music, I just want to scream. It is like this music is just there as background noise, but it does not inspire you or even make you want to dance to it.

I think that in the future we need to have bands that will combine elements of both hip hop and heavy metal. Wouldn't it be cool if there were more fantasy in music today? Could you imagine a band that would combine elements of Queen-type heavy metal + elements of, say, Parliament/Funkadelic or Earth, Wind and Fire? I couldn't even image how cool that would be and I have faith that black and white musicians could work together to create this. Aerosmith + Run DMC already showed that this will work.

Another One Bites The Dust was #1 on R&B charts

AOBTD song info

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Another_One_Bites_The_Dust

I have to agree with Sir GH that there really is something wrong with popular music today.



Fuck, you guys are obviously looking in the wrong places then. There are plenty of brilliant bands around and they're more than likely playing down the road at a small club right now. Forget the charts, they're fickle -instead, go out and see some bands that you've not heard of before.
Oh, and to add another cent- the New Zealand hip hop artist Scribe is really quite good.

I think that Freddie was the biggest influence (I don't know if thats the right word) to SCATMAN!!
Listen to Freddies many solo songs etc.

........Popular music does suck now. The only band ive heard in years that i really like is The Killers. To much complaining in music today. IMO of course.

I think it's interesting how people get credit for thiings they didn't invent. It's often said that Bohemian Rhapsody was the first music video, but that clearly isn't true. Apart from the fact that there were videos for Keep Yourself Alive and Liar, bands like The Beatles, The Who, The Rolling Stones, and others made videos back in the 60's. And if you want to get technical about it, Spike Jones was making short films to go along with his music back in the 40's, so you could possibly consider those to be "videos" as well.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Kohntarkosz wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I think it's interesting how people get credit for thiings they didn't invent. It's often said that Bohemian Rhapsody was the first music video, but that clearly isn't true. Apart from the fact that there were videos for Keep Yourself Alive and Liar, bands like The Beatles, The Who, The Rolling Stones, and others made videos back in the 60's. And if you want to get technical about it, Spike Jones was making short films to go along with his music back in the 40's, so you could possibly consider those to be "videos" as well. [/QUOTE]


Do you know what video is? Those were films (not the Queen promotional spots they did like Liar) but Bohemian Rhapsody was fresh because it was on video and had a "loose" concept, a lot of people han't seen that before. Since I'm not privy to what all other artists were doing at the time I won't say it was the first but it was definitely groundbreaking at the time. Just because it wasn't the first doesn't mean it shouldnt be credited for being the grandfather of music videos because it really was the first one to gain national attention. Hope that last sentence makes sense to y'all.

<<Do you know what video is? Those were films (not the Queen promotional spots they did like Liar) but Bohemian Rhapsody was fresh because it was on video>>

So what difference does it make whether it was shot on film or video? It's still a video, even if they didn't call them "music videos" yet.

<< and had a "loose" concept, a lot of people han't seen that before.>>

What concept? A concept implies that there's a storyline of some sort. Bohemian Rhapsody is basically a performance clip, apart from the bits where they assume the pose from the Queen II cover.

If you want to see something that was REALLY different, you should see the video The Beatles did for Strawberry Fields Forever.

<< Just because it wasn't the first doesn't mean it shouldnt be credited for being the grandfather of music videos because it really was the first one to gain national attention.>>

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "national attention" as the videos I mentioned before by The Who, The Beatles, etc were shown on TV shows like Top Of The Pops in the UK and American Bandstand in the US, so Bohemian Rhapsody, as good as it is, definitely wasn't the first to get "national attention".

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"who cares about hip hop??"

Uhmm... most teenagers in the US. It has become their culture. For anyone who listens to music more than casually, I think their intelligence is in most cases directly proportional to the music they listen to. So with that theory, look at this generation of kids who listen to rap music and cast your vote.[/QUOTE]

I have got to page two of this topic and I cannot read on without the need to reply sharpish (and for the record, I am not picking on you Sir GH, it just so happens yours was the first post of it's kind).

I feel insulted by your "look at the state of people who listen to rap" generalisation. I listen to Queen, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Audioslave, Michael Jackson, The Beatles, The Foo's, Nirvana, Muse and many other "real" bands. However, I also listen to House Of Pain, Eminem, Dr Dre, The Game, 2Pac, Jay-Z and others. I can tell you now this does in no way affect my inteligence from a musical or general point of view.

What if I turned around and said "classical music is wank and it just makes people think they are better than others"? It's just as fair as what you're saying.

And all the comments about "they freestyle with made up ghetto words" and all the other clever analogies you all use are pointless. You all come across as so single minded, and hate all becuase of a minority (e.g. Ja Rule, Akon, Lil Bow-Wow and other such dire rap). For one, I can tell you there are far more complex lyrics and arrangements in a Tupac, Eminem or Dr Dre composition compared to Delilah, My Baby Does Me and other masterpieces by our favourite band who can do no wrong.

I just thing some of you are petty.

Hip Hop emerged from various elements. Some linked with church performance and gospel, other with social and historical phenomena (stigmatization, construction of group identity and ethos).

I do not personnaly enjoy listenning to it, simply because i do not relate much to the values and the music involved, but the affirmation on this thread is definitely utter non-sense. Why not say Queen invented cocaine, or possibly hot water?

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=#C5150>The Fairy King</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]...with Another One Bites The Dust?

well they claim it in the Killer Queen documentary...
is this true? Cuz if so...i want to ask them...
WHY GOD WHYYYYYY ;) maybe we wouldn't have fuckers like Nelly n 50 cent and other shite....[/QUOTE]

Well, all i can say is that the first time i read about this was at the Freddie Mercury Box set book by a music expert (i`m too lazy to go check his name), but it gave me some food for thought!

It`s not a question of like or dislike Hip-Hop, because in the USA this kind of style transcends music itself, it`s a social movement, and to say that our John is responsible in some way for that i see it as a compliment for John and a big responsability on his shoulders. I mean, can you imagine being responsible for an ethnic (it started like that) movement!?

Of course John didn`t invented Hip-Hop, but as you know, this kind of music started with samples of bass lines and a good DJ. So , the DJ picks a song and make that Hip-Hop, and one of the songs whose bass lines were heavily sampled was AOBTD by Queen and that as a fact it`s incredible.

Really, you have to look back some 25 years and see what was going on on the La streets and NY streets to understand this kind of thing. People would go crazy in the streets because there were a lot DJ´s sampling everything they could, there would be Breack Dance, and so on.


That means that 50 Cent and Eminem should kiss John`s ass, because he`s the God of HIp-Hop or ...Whathever...

Ok, in a serious mood, if you think about it you find out that when you least expect you`re starting something big just with a Bass line, it really runs out of control.

Take care

as a long time hip hop devotee;
I started listening to rap in 1982,i had seen melle mel and the furious five at the Manchester Apollo.
and I can definitely say they looked like a group striate out of the mineshaft.

being no older than 10 at the time I didn't take much notice.
but the macho strutting and peacock posture definitely had a big say on hip hop culture;

without a shadow of a doubt.