This concerns me:
"You have kids, white kids from all walks of life dressing like the heros they admire with baggy pants, huge chains, and even adopting the disgusting 'talk'. That goes for our lovely white performers as well. "
The essence of that whole paragraph, with this bit highlighted for added emphasis, is that blacks should stick to black things and whites to white things. How else can you interpret the idea that "'black crap' music" somehow taints "our lovely white performers"? As Hank alludes to, that type of terminology has been used in the past to do evil things.
The 'white performers' comment was to be taken sarcasticly. They are just as bad as the blacks with what they promote and perform. Since race is an issue when we talk about rap or hip hop, lets take it a step further. Emnem is the same way. Lyrics with very hateful things in it, drug use in it, the defimantion of women in it.
The ponit is, not only is rap music a farse it is a way to get into the minds of our young ones. Saying it's cool to be a wife beater, or woman beater. It's ok to kill your 'brother' for the profit of another. It's cool to be a gang banger and get to 'pop a cap' in someone's ass. It's cool to roll up the blunts and sip your gin and juice (while driving). I know much more about this than you guys realise. Don't treat me like a Nazi, or even insinuate that I am one. I am for protecting childern. Above all, MY child. I don't have a problem with black people in general, or any other skin color. It's the ones that suck everything from our youth. Telling them it's cool to be like them. When even you guys no it's not. And by being like them I mean the many points I mentioned above.
And yes GH I understand what you are saying. However, I feel that sex in music has gone way overboard, and has become really mainstream. It's normal to turn on the radio and hear someone say 'I'm you genie in a bottle...rub me the right way' and 'I'm a dirty girl...' and so on. This is affecting our children. And it seems a million times more harmful than the radio when I was a child.
And as for spending time in a record store to find out more about rap or hip hop. Well let me think....um....no.
I wouldn't give away 5 minutes of my time to investigate some thing I hate as much as that. I used to watch Behind the Music. And sure I saw things about people, white, black, and Queen (Legends) for that matter, and I find it interesting to learn that way. I have seen the 2Pac, Snoop Dogg, (I can't remember the heavy set guys name the one who died) and many others. They come from the projects, and the hate and violence oozes from them. And you can hear it in the music. Some worse than others. And they kill each other. Nice roll models huh. We had people talking about violence in music as a way to protest things in the world. Now you have Cop Killer, and many other hating whites songs. You call me what you want. It's cool. I know what I know, and I sure as hell don't need a lesson. Especially from 'kids' on this board. Whenever I say anything about being proud your white, or of your heritage, I am labled a biggot, or a 'Nazi'. Well I am proud of where I come from. And I can honestly say I hate no one. What is wrong with being proud of what you are? Blacks can be. Mexicans, Spanish can be. It's not 'PC' to be proud if you white any more. And not in some KKK way either. Everything black is being force-fed to our youngsters, and I for one am tired of it.
Whatever. Understand, or don't. I really don't care.
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One more piont:
Here are some wonderful musicians and singers.
The Isley Brothers. The Nevils. Kool And The Gang. Robert Cray. Earth Wind and Fire. So many that you never asked about or thought about. I know music. And a lot of it. So don't even try to throw the race card at me.
Here are some wonderful musicians and singers.
The Isley Brothers. The Nevils. Kool And The Gang. Robert Cray. Earth Wind and Fire. So many that you never asked about or thought about. I know music. And a lot of it. So don't even try to throw the race card at me.
I obviously hit you to the quick.
Naming some black artists you like doesn't change the vocabulary you used before and doesn't change the attitude you displayed many times.
The fact that you feel the need to prove there are black people you like speaks books.
It goes without saying that there are talented people everywhere and of every race and I didn't even have the slightest idea that anyone could ever question that or feel the need to prove that he realizes it, because it's so fucking self-evident.
Naming some black artists you like doesn't change the vocabulary you used before and doesn't change the attitude you displayed many times.
The fact that you feel the need to prove there are black people you like speaks books.
It goes without saying that there are talented people everywhere and of every race and I didn't even have the slightest idea that anyone could ever question that or feel the need to prove that he realizes it, because it's so fucking self-evident.
"I obviously hit you to the quick.
Naming some black artists you like doesn't change the vocabulary you used before and doesn't change the attitude you displayed many times.
The fact that you feel the need to prove there are black people you like speaks books.
It goes without saying that there are talented people everywhere and of every race and I didn't even have the slightest idea that anyone could ever question that or feel the need to prove that he realizes it, because it's so fucking self-evident."
No Hankie, nothing you said 'hit me to the quick'. It was your Nazi comment that pissed me off. We obviously come from different places, and you are still a youngster. You'll figure it out for yourself someday when your 10 year old daughter comes home from school trying her best to use Ebonics at the dinner table. Now. Fuck you, and fuck off. You know nothing of me, where I come from, what I've been through and what I believe, so dissagree. It's cool. Big deal. This was a stupid topic to begin with. I gave my opinion (there still is free speech right?) and you can't handle it you little bleeding heart you. So just go about your life, and leave me alone.
Naming some black artists you like doesn't change the vocabulary you used before and doesn't change the attitude you displayed many times.
The fact that you feel the need to prove there are black people you like speaks books.
It goes without saying that there are talented people everywhere and of every race and I didn't even have the slightest idea that anyone could ever question that or feel the need to prove that he realizes it, because it's so fucking self-evident."
No Hankie, nothing you said 'hit me to the quick'. It was your Nazi comment that pissed me off. We obviously come from different places, and you are still a youngster. You'll figure it out for yourself someday when your 10 year old daughter comes home from school trying her best to use Ebonics at the dinner table. Now. Fuck you, and fuck off. You know nothing of me, where I come from, what I've been through and what I believe, so dissagree. It's cool. Big deal. This was a stupid topic to begin with. I gave my opinion (there still is free speech right?) and you can't handle it you little bleeding heart you. So just go about your life, and leave me alone.
LOL!
I somehow knew you would use that "hankie"-joke and all that name calling again when you run out of arguments (which always happens very quickly).
Note, it isn't so cool, because
1. my nick is not my real name
2. using a joke for the third time doesn't make it funnier
3. I am tempted to make some equally silly puns about your real name in my language, with the difference that you wouldn't understand them :-)) Now, who is mentally the youngster here?
I somehow knew you would use that "hankie"-joke and all that name calling again when you run out of arguments (which always happens very quickly).
Note, it isn't so cool, because
1. my nick is not my real name
2. using a joke for the third time doesn't make it funnier
3. I am tempted to make some equally silly puns about your real name in my language, with the difference that you wouldn't understand them :-)) Now, who is mentally the youngster here?
"1. my nick is not my real name"
I don't care.
"2. using a joke for the third time doesn't make it funnier"
It was the second time.
"3. I am tempted to make some equally silly puns about your real name in my language, with the difference that you wouldn't understand them :-))"
Oh please don't..you may hurt my feelings.
"I somehow knew you would use that "hankie"-joke and all that name calling again when you run out of arguments (which always happens very quickly)."
Oh dear Hank. I have plenty left if you really want to have a go. I just think I have said all there is for me to say on the subject, and repeating myself would be nothing more than a waste of my breath and time. My time is valuble. And since I care nothing of you or what you have to say, or what you may say about me, I won't waste my time on someone such as yourself. Wisdom falling on deaf ears.
I don't care.
"2. using a joke for the third time doesn't make it funnier"
It was the second time.
"3. I am tempted to make some equally silly puns about your real name in my language, with the difference that you wouldn't understand them :-))"
Oh please don't..you may hurt my feelings.
"I somehow knew you would use that "hankie"-joke and all that name calling again when you run out of arguments (which always happens very quickly)."
Oh dear Hank. I have plenty left if you really want to have a go. I just think I have said all there is for me to say on the subject, and repeating myself would be nothing more than a waste of my breath and time. My time is valuble. And since I care nothing of you or what you have to say, or what you may say about me, I won't waste my time on someone such as yourself. Wisdom falling on deaf ears.
LMAO
Right now it's quite funny to waste my time watching you waste your time telling me you don't want to waste your time :-)
I should open a beer and wait for your next post.
Right now it's quite funny to waste my time watching you waste your time telling me you don't want to waste your time :-)
I should open a beer and wait for your next post.
""If I only choose my music by the complexity of it's structure, and only listen to the best stuff I find in that respect, after discovering Bach I wouldn't be allowed to listen to anything else any more. I prefer to listen to different music in different situations, and I can have great fun spending an evening dancing to a hip hop DJ who really knows his business."
Hank, this whole post was overall a very good read, and I pretty much agree with everything you said. I completely understand where you're coming from. However, it's just a difference in tastes between you and I, and what we get out of music as a whole. I highlighted this passage above, because for me personally, I listen to music to be challenged musically. I'm a musician, and most of the time I listen to music that makes me want to be a better musician and songwriter. That can hardly be accomplished while listening to today's top 40.
"but I don't think popular music has EVER been of high musical quality"
Uhmm.... let's review the charts in 1976: Bohemian Rhapsody and Hotel California. Charts in 2003 - 50 Cent and Blink 182. I rest my case.
"And yes GH I understand what you are saying. However, I feel that sex in music has gone way overboard, and has become really mainstream."
Let's go back to 1955, when Elvis was on the Ed Sullivan show. When he shook his hips the way he did, people cried out then just the way people cry out now when the newest Nelly video comes out. But I do agree that it has gone much too far, and this completely negative image of women and drugs must cool down.
The last paragraph of that long post (your third to last on page 2) was excellent, Matt. Right on the money.
"Right now it's quite funny to waste my time watching you waste your time telling me you don't want to waste your time :-)"
I think we realized the irony of the fact that it actually *needed* to be said. Otherwise, how would you know that was what he wanted to say? Hank, you're obviously a smart guy, so you shouldn't need to take cheap shots to prove your points.
Hank, this whole post was overall a very good read, and I pretty much agree with everything you said. I completely understand where you're coming from. However, it's just a difference in tastes between you and I, and what we get out of music as a whole. I highlighted this passage above, because for me personally, I listen to music to be challenged musically. I'm a musician, and most of the time I listen to music that makes me want to be a better musician and songwriter. That can hardly be accomplished while listening to today's top 40.
"but I don't think popular music has EVER been of high musical quality"
Uhmm.... let's review the charts in 1976: Bohemian Rhapsody and Hotel California. Charts in 2003 - 50 Cent and Blink 182. I rest my case.
"And yes GH I understand what you are saying. However, I feel that sex in music has gone way overboard, and has become really mainstream."
Let's go back to 1955, when Elvis was on the Ed Sullivan show. When he shook his hips the way he did, people cried out then just the way people cry out now when the newest Nelly video comes out. But I do agree that it has gone much too far, and this completely negative image of women and drugs must cool down.
The last paragraph of that long post (your third to last on page 2) was excellent, Matt. Right on the money.
"Right now it's quite funny to waste my time watching you waste your time telling me you don't want to waste your time :-)"
I think we realized the irony of the fact that it actually *needed* to be said. Otherwise, how would you know that was what he wanted to say? Hank, you're obviously a smart guy, so you shouldn't need to take cheap shots to prove your points.
yo yo eeeaaazy now as far as hip hop and urban music goes the fullest flavoured and rooted of them all is not found in the charts you find them in the live acts such as the Roots, The Specials, Bigyard etc..
am a musician to... I was in my local military brass band for five years and now am out I play reggae and ska on my trumpets my god what a crime!! lol!
grade 8 pianist but still when people say am an expert or woteva it sounds bull!! am as amateur as the next star that dont know much about musical up bringing.
the thing is I been there and done some of that stuff and its been a pretty tough journey lookin back..
but at least I can blossom in my compositions... like sponge I still soak up new Ideas at the same time buying Cds of pass greats and legends, and all I can show to those listening to me in the present day is the combination of sound I can make out of all of flavoured vibe.
and Hip hop is inspiring... it inspired Queen, Elvis etc... when I say hip hop I mean urban music when I talk urban music I mean black music....
my band is solidly influenced to this vibe as the music is very basic in its structure and the notes each ensemble plays layers up to bring a new flavour which bounces... its just WOOOOHHOO COOL!!
anyways yes I love hip hop I love most taste yes the pop generating machine has made sell outs to this genre and other big genres such as swing jazz and blues dont mention the Covers of songs that hit number ones with a different name!
to all you people out their stay raw make raw find water from raw and no one can put you down when your flower grows.
cos raw flava what makes all of us unique
am a musician to... I was in my local military brass band for five years and now am out I play reggae and ska on my trumpets my god what a crime!! lol!
grade 8 pianist but still when people say am an expert or woteva it sounds bull!! am as amateur as the next star that dont know much about musical up bringing.
the thing is I been there and done some of that stuff and its been a pretty tough journey lookin back..
but at least I can blossom in my compositions... like sponge I still soak up new Ideas at the same time buying Cds of pass greats and legends, and all I can show to those listening to me in the present day is the combination of sound I can make out of all of flavoured vibe.
and Hip hop is inspiring... it inspired Queen, Elvis etc... when I say hip hop I mean urban music when I talk urban music I mean black music....
my band is solidly influenced to this vibe as the music is very basic in its structure and the notes each ensemble plays layers up to bring a new flavour which bounces... its just WOOOOHHOO COOL!!
anyways yes I love hip hop I love most taste yes the pop generating machine has made sell outs to this genre and other big genres such as swing jazz and blues dont mention the Covers of songs that hit number ones with a different name!
to all you people out their stay raw make raw find water from raw and no one can put you down when your flower grows.
cos raw flava what makes all of us unique
so you guys don't like black people.
kidding.....maybe
kidding.....maybe
I have to agree with Sir GH that there really is something wrong with popular music today. I can't even imagine what the cause of this problem is, but I don't think that it is the fault of black music in general.
I think that some of the best modern music that you can hear on the radio today is on the black/hip hop station. Although some of it is way too repetitive, I think that hip hop is at least pretty original. It also has a lot of really interesting syncopation in the rhythm. And Matt points out all of the wonderful bands that inspired hip hop: Earth, Wind and Fire, Isley Brothers, Parliament/Funkadelic, etc.
On the other hand, there seems to be something really wrong with a lot of WHITE MUSIC on the radio today. The best way to describe the problem, I think, is to say that it is just so BORING! In particular, some of the "serious" singer/songwriter people write songs with no melody or rhythm and these boring lyrics about "relationships". When I am forced to listen to this kind of music, I just want to scream. It is like this music is just there as background noise, but it does not inspire you or even make you want to dance to it.
I think that in the future we need to have bands that will combine elements of both hip hop and heavy metal. Wouldn't it be cool if there were more fantasy in music today? Could you imagine a band that would combine elements of Queen-type heavy metal + elements of, say, Parliament/Funkadelic or Earth, Wind and Fire? I couldn't even image how cool that would be and I have faith that black and white musicians could work together to create this. Aerosmith + Run DMC already showed that this will work.
I think that some of the best modern music that you can hear on the radio today is on the black/hip hop station. Although some of it is way too repetitive, I think that hip hop is at least pretty original. It also has a lot of really interesting syncopation in the rhythm. And Matt points out all of the wonderful bands that inspired hip hop: Earth, Wind and Fire, Isley Brothers, Parliament/Funkadelic, etc.
On the other hand, there seems to be something really wrong with a lot of WHITE MUSIC on the radio today. The best way to describe the problem, I think, is to say that it is just so BORING! In particular, some of the "serious" singer/songwriter people write songs with no melody or rhythm and these boring lyrics about "relationships". When I am forced to listen to this kind of music, I just want to scream. It is like this music is just there as background noise, but it does not inspire you or even make you want to dance to it.
I think that in the future we need to have bands that will combine elements of both hip hop and heavy metal. Wouldn't it be cool if there were more fantasy in music today? Could you imagine a band that would combine elements of Queen-type heavy metal + elements of, say, Parliament/Funkadelic or Earth, Wind and Fire? I couldn't even image how cool that would be and I have faith that black and white musicians could work together to create this. Aerosmith + Run DMC already showed that this will work.
Another One Bites The Dust was #1 on R&B charts
AOBTD song info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Another_One_Bites_The_Dust
AOBTD song info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Another_One_Bites_The_Dust
I have to agree with Sir GH that there really is something wrong with popular music today.
Fuck, you guys are obviously looking in the wrong places then. There are plenty of brilliant bands around and they're more than likely playing down the road at a small club right now. Forget the charts, they're fickle -instead, go out and see some bands that you've not heard of before.
Oh, and to add another cent- the New Zealand hip hop artist Scribe is really quite good.
Fuck, you guys are obviously looking in the wrong places then. There are plenty of brilliant bands around and they're more than likely playing down the road at a small club right now. Forget the charts, they're fickle -instead, go out and see some bands that you've not heard of before.
Oh, and to add another cent- the New Zealand hip hop artist Scribe is really quite good.
I think that Freddie was the biggest influence (I don't know if thats the right word) to SCATMAN!!
Listen to Freddies many solo songs etc.
Listen to Freddies many solo songs etc.