........Popular music does suck now. The only band ive heard in years that i really like is The Killers. To much complaining in music today. IMO of course.
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I think it's interesting how people get credit for thiings they didn't invent. It's often said that Bohemian Rhapsody was the first music video, but that clearly isn't true. Apart from the fact that there were videos for Keep Yourself Alive and Liar, bands like The Beatles, The Who, The Rolling Stones, and others made videos back in the 60's. And if you want to get technical about it, Spike Jones was making short films to go along with his music back in the 40's, so you could possibly consider those to be "videos" as well.
I think it's interesting how people get credit for thiings they didn't invent. It's often said that Bohemian Rhapsody was the first music video, but that clearly isn't true. Apart from the fact that there were videos for Keep Yourself Alive and Liar, bands like The Beatles, The Who, The Rolling Stones, and others made videos back in the 60's. And if you want to get technical about it, Spike Jones was making short films to go along with his music back in the 40's, so you could possibly consider those to be "videos" as well.
Do you know what video is? Those were films (not the Queen promotional spots they did like Liar) but Bohemian Rhapsody was fresh because it was on video and had a "loose" concept, a lot of people han't seen that before. Since I'm not privy to what all other artists were doing at the time I won't say it was the first but it was definitely groundbreaking at the time. Just because it wasn't the first doesn't mean it shouldnt be credited for being the grandfather of music videos because it really was the first one to gain national attention. Hope that last sentence makes sense to y'all.
<<Do you know what video is? Those were films (not the Queen promotional spots they did like Liar) but Bohemian Rhapsody was fresh because it was on video>>
So what difference does it make whether it was shot on film or video? It's still a video, even if they didn't call them "music videos" yet.
<< and had a "loose" concept, a lot of people han't seen that before.>>
What concept? A concept implies that there's a storyline of some sort. Bohemian Rhapsody is basically a performance clip, apart from the bits where they assume the pose from the Queen II cover.
If you want to see something that was REALLY different, you should see the video The Beatles did for Strawberry Fields Forever.
<< Just because it wasn't the first doesn't mean it shouldnt be credited for being the grandfather of music videos because it really was the first one to gain national attention.>>
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "national attention" as the videos I mentioned before by The Who, The Beatles, etc were shown on TV shows like Top Of The Pops in the UK and American Bandstand in the US, so Bohemian Rhapsody, as good as it is, definitely wasn't the first to get "national attention".
So what difference does it make whether it was shot on film or video? It's still a video, even if they didn't call them "music videos" yet.
<< and had a "loose" concept, a lot of people han't seen that before.>>
What concept? A concept implies that there's a storyline of some sort. Bohemian Rhapsody is basically a performance clip, apart from the bits where they assume the pose from the Queen II cover.
If you want to see something that was REALLY different, you should see the video The Beatles did for Strawberry Fields Forever.
<< Just because it wasn't the first doesn't mean it shouldnt be credited for being the grandfather of music videos because it really was the first one to gain national attention.>>
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "national attention" as the videos I mentioned before by The Who, The Beatles, etc were shown on TV shows like Top Of The Pops in the UK and American Bandstand in the US, so Bohemian Rhapsody, as good as it is, definitely wasn't the first to get "national attention".
I think it might've started in Jamaica...
"who cares about hip hop??"
Uhmm... most teenagers in the US. It has become their culture. For anyone who listens to music more than casually, I think their intelligence is in most cases directly proportional to the music they listen to. So with that theory, look at this generation of kids who listen to rap music and cast your vote.
I have got to page two of this topic and I cannot read on without the need to reply sharpish (and for the record, I am not picking on you Sir GH, it just so happens yours was the first post of it's kind).
I feel insulted by your "look at the state of people who listen to rap" generalisation. I listen to Queen, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Audioslave, Michael Jackson, The Beatles, The Foo's, Nirvana, Muse and many other "real" bands. However, I also listen to House Of Pain, Eminem, Dr Dre, The Game, 2Pac, Jay-Z and others. I can tell you now this does in no way affect my inteligence from a musical or general point of view.
What if I turned around and said "classical music is wank and it just makes people think they are better than others"? It's just as fair as what you're saying.
And all the comments about "they freestyle with made up ghetto words" and all the other clever analogies you all use are pointless. You all come across as so single minded, and hate all becuase of a minority (e.g. Ja Rule, Akon, Lil Bow-Wow and other such dire rap). For one, I can tell you there are far more complex lyrics and arrangements in a Tupac, Eminem or Dr Dre composition compared to Delilah, My Baby Does Me and other masterpieces by our favourite band who can do no wrong.
I just thing some of you are petty.
Hip Hop emerged from various elements. Some linked with church performance and gospel, other with social and historical phenomena (stigmatization, construction of group identity and ethos).
I do not personnaly enjoy listenning to it, simply because i do not relate much to the values and the music involved, but the affirmation on this thread is definitely utter non-sense. Why not say Queen invented cocaine, or possibly hot water?
I do not personnaly enjoy listenning to it, simply because i do not relate much to the values and the music involved, but the affirmation on this thread is definitely utter non-sense. Why not say Queen invented cocaine, or possibly hot water?
...with Another One Bites The Dust?
well they claim it in the Killer Queen documentary...
is this true? Cuz if so...i want to ask them...
WHY GOD WHYYYYYY ;) maybe we wouldn't have fuckers like Nelly n 50 cent and other shite....
Well, all i can say is that the first time i read about this was at the Freddie Mercury Box set book by a music expert (i`m too lazy to go check his name), but it gave me some food for thought!
It`s not a question of like or dislike Hip-Hop, because in the USA this kind of style transcends music itself, it`s a social movement, and to say that our John is responsible in some way for that i see it as a compliment for John and a big responsability on his shoulders. I mean, can you imagine being responsible for an ethnic (it started like that) movement!?
Of course John didn`t invented Hip-Hop, but as you know, this kind of music started with samples of bass lines and a good DJ. So , the DJ picks a song and make that Hip-Hop, and one of the songs whose bass lines were heavily sampled was AOBTD by Queen and that as a fact it`s incredible.
Really, you have to look back some 25 years and see what was going on on the La streets and NY streets to understand this kind of thing. People would go crazy in the streets because there were a lot DJ´s sampling everything they could, there would be Breack Dance, and so on.
That means that 50 Cent and Eminem should kiss John`s ass, because he`s the God of HIp-Hop or ...Whathever...
Ok, in a serious mood, if you think about it you find out that when you least expect you`re starting something big just with a Bass line, it really runs out of control.
Take care
"who cares about hip hop??"
Uhmm... most teenagers in the US. It has become their culture. For anyone who listens to music more than casually, I think their intelligence is in most cases directly proportional to the music they listen to. So with that theory, look at this generation of kids who listen to rap music and cast your vote.
I have got to page two of this topic and I cannot read on without the need to reply sharpish (and for the record, I am not picking on you Sir GH, it just so happens yours was the first post of it's kind).
I feel insulted by your "look at the state of people who listen to rap" generalisation. I listen to Queen, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Audioslave, Michael Jackson, The Beatles, The Foo's, Nirvana, Muse and many other "real" bands. However, I also listen to House Of Pain, Eminem, Dr Dre, The Game, 2Pac, Jay-Z and others. I can tell you now this does in no way affect my inteligence from a musical or general point of view.
What if I turned around and said "classical music is wank and it just makes people think they are better than others"? It's just as fair as what you're saying.
And all the comments about "they freestyle with made up ghetto words" and all the other clever analogies you all use are pointless. You all come across as so single minded, and hate all becuase of a minority (e.g. Ja Rule, Akon, Lil Bow-Wow and other such dire rap). For one, I can tell you there are far more complex lyrics and arrangements in a Tupac, Eminem or Dr Dre composition compared to Delilah, My Baby Does Me and other masterpieces by our favourite band who can do no wrong.
I just thing some of you are petty.
I agree
as a long time hip hop devotee;
I started listening to rap in 1982,i had seen melle mel and the furious five at the Manchester Apollo.
and I can definitely say they looked like a group striate out of the mineshaft.
being no older than 10 at the time I didn't take much notice.
but the macho strutting and peacock posture definitely had a big say on hip hop culture;
without a shadow of a doubt.
I started listening to rap in 1982,i had seen melle mel and the furious five at the Manchester Apollo.
and I can definitely say they looked like a group striate out of the mineshaft.
being no older than 10 at the time I didn't take much notice.
but the macho strutting and peacock posture definitely had a big say on hip hop culture;
without a shadow of a doubt.