Sir GH: How do you know there were no recording sessions of any kind before De Lane Lea?
Have you read "As It Began", or any other biography? How about "Queen Before Queen"? Have you listened to Brian on Radio (or other interviews) state that the very first things we did were at De Lane Lea? There is even a link to a web site which host's Brian's FIRST Queen acetate which was the De Lane Lea Sessions (as taken from "Record Collector").
Finally, Barry Mitchell himself conceeds, that he NEVER recorded in a studio with Queen, that the studio sessions came later. There are NO pre-Deacon Queen studio recordings.
I am not arguing that some songs are earlier than others, but they are not years apart studio-wise.
Hope this helps.
Thread
Posts in chronological order
ThomasQuinn: NO Thomas. That is what I am trying to do - puncture the mythology bubble.
There are NO pre-John Deacon Queen studio tapes or acetates. So every take of "... Salmon" features John.
"IF" "...the studio chat before the start also hints at it being one of the first sessions with that bassist", then who can say that is NOT one of their first recordings as "Queen?". I can certainly assure you that No studio recordings exist without John Deacon.
Why not ask Brian, or GB, they are both internet available.
There are NO pre-John Deacon Queen studio tapes or acetates. So every take of "... Salmon" features John.
"IF" "...the studio chat before the start also hints at it being one of the first sessions with that bassist", then who can say that is NOT one of their first recordings as "Queen?". I can certainly assure you that No studio recordings exist without John Deacon.
Why not ask Brian, or GB, they are both internet available.
John, I know it's been said by many sources that De Lane Lea was the first demo, but I was just entertaining the possibility that they could have still pressed "record" at some point in that first year for three minutes.
Sir GH: John, "I was just entertaining the possibility that they could have still pressed "record" at some point..."
No worries - I know that, and like you, I wish that they did too. Unfortunately that is not the case - but I wish it was!
No worries - I know that, and like you, I wish that they did too. Unfortunately that is not the case - but I wish it was!
"Stand Up And Fight" by "Quartz"
You can read about this CD here:
http://www.rockdetector.com/artist,7114,rdbio.sm
The "Quartz" 1977 debut album "Stand Up And Fight" featured sessions including Brian May as guest guitarist on a track called "Circles" (which also featured Ozzy Osbourne on backing vocals). The track was not included on the eventual album release - but WAS later released as the B-side to the "Quartz" single - "Stoking The Fires Of Hell".
Earlier this year (2004) Majestic Rock (US) re-issued the debut "Quartz" CD called "Stand Up And Fight" - including "Circles" as an extra track.
So clearly this track has nothing to do with "Queen" until circa "News Of The World" period. The only reason I mentioned it above was becuase I could not recall from memory whether it was an early or late 1970's session track. I can now see that it does not slot into the "Queen" debut time-frame, and I apologise for any hopes raised - or for any ensuing confusion.
As a postscript "Circles" is still commercially available - for those who may be interested.
EDIT: YV has contributed later in this thread.
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=17764
This site is certainly worth a visit, and also, I am now allowed to say that the track IS available in the hub.
Here's some more from Garry Sharpe-Young's book 'Black Sabbath - Never Say Die - 1979-1997'
"It would not only be the Sabbath duo that featured on the record. Tony's friend Brian May of Queen fame was invited down to the recording studio. 'Tony asked Brian to mix one of the album tracks because he was impressed with the way Queen did things. The trouble was that, as we discovered, Queen tracks are heavily edited so that's what Brian tried to do. The result was a load of edits that just ended up as a big pile of tape on the floor! So Brian never in fact got to mix anything. I can remember us all looking at this wasted tape and saying 'So, that's how you get the Queen sound then Brian.' He didn't know whether to laugh or apologise, Birmingham humour can be very dry."
The Queen man would get to add a splash of that famous hand made guitar onto the track 'Circles', once more featuring a certain Mr. Ozzy Osbourne on backing vocals. "Ozzy tried to put some harmonica on too" laughs Malcom. "It didn't work though and I think that ended up on the floor too or we just didn't mix it in. It might still be on there though, I'll have to dig it out and give it a listen."
Black Sabbath collectors will need to do their own spade work. 'Circles', a re-work of an earlier Bandy Legs tune, inexplicably never made the album, only appearing as the B side to the subsequent 'Stoking The Fires If Hell' single (MCA 642-1980).
"Stand Up And Fight" by "Quartz"
You can read about this CD here:
http://www.rockdetector.com/artist,7114,rdbio.sm
The "Quartz" 1977 debut album "Stand Up And Fight" featured sessions including Brian May as guest guitarist on a track called "Circles" (which also featured Ozzy Osbourne on backing vocals). The track was not included on the eventual album release - but WAS later released as the B-side to the "Quartz" single - "Stoking The Fires Of Hell".
Earlier this year (2004) Majestic Rock (US) re-issued the debut "Quartz" CD called "Stand Up And Fight" - including "Circles" as an extra track.
So clearly this track has nothing to do with "Queen" until circa "News Of The World" period. The only reason I mentioned it above was becuase I could not recall from memory whether it was an early or late 1970's session track. I can now see that it does not slot into the "Queen" debut time-frame, and I apologise for any hopes raised - or for any ensuing confusion.
As a postscript "Circles" is still commercially available - for those who may be interested.
EDIT: YV has contributed later in this thread.
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=17764
This site is certainly worth a visit, and also, I am now allowed to say that the track IS available in the hub.
Here's some more from Garry Sharpe-Young's book 'Black Sabbath - Never Say Die - 1979-1997'
"It would not only be the Sabbath duo that featured on the record. Tony's friend Brian May of Queen fame was invited down to the recording studio. 'Tony asked Brian to mix one of the album tracks because he was impressed with the way Queen did things. The trouble was that, as we discovered, Queen tracks are heavily edited so that's what Brian tried to do. The result was a load of edits that just ended up as a big pile of tape on the floor! So Brian never in fact got to mix anything. I can remember us all looking at this wasted tape and saying 'So, that's how you get the Queen sound then Brian.' He didn't know whether to laugh or apologise, Birmingham humour can be very dry."
The Queen man would get to add a splash of that famous hand made guitar onto the track 'Circles', once more featuring a certain Mr. Ozzy Osbourne on backing vocals. "Ozzy tried to put some harmonica on too" laughs Malcom. "It didn't work though and I think that ended up on the floor too or we just didn't mix it in. It might still be on there though, I'll have to dig it out and give it a listen."
Black Sabbath collectors will need to do their own spade work. 'Circles', a re-work of an earlier Bandy Legs tune, inexplicably never made the album, only appearing as the B side to the subsequent 'Stoking The Fires If Hell' single (MCA 642-1980).
just going through my old hub downloads, and I found the song "Feelings," not the one from the News Of The World sessions but the one that was apparently erroneously distributed as an alternate version of Silver Salmon. Anyone know if that was from the first album sessions as well?
I thought it was mentioned before that Brian wrote it in 1973 but they never used it again... I have the version as well when they start with "9 number 9.... number 9..."
no, that's the "Feelings Feelings" track. The one I'm talking about is the blues/rock one that was erroneously distributed as an mp3 under the Silver Salmon name.
about Larry Lurex single:
eil.com had some time ago a trident label acetate in which beside the name of the song there was reported: LARRY LUREX & THE VOLES FROM VENUS. was this name intented to be the name of the artist then shortened to just Larry Lurex??
Also there's 1 side w/l test pressing 7" of I can hear Music from EMI with the stamped number LL A1 in the run-off groove. It should contains 20 sec extra of the song. Is this true?
eil.com had some time ago a trident label acetate in which beside the name of the song there was reported: LARRY LUREX & THE VOLES FROM VENUS. was this name intented to be the name of the artist then shortened to just Larry Lurex??
Also there's 1 side w/l test pressing 7" of I can hear Music from EMI with the stamped number LL A1 in the run-off groove. It should contains 20 sec extra of the song. Is this true?
about Larry Lurex single:
eil.com had some time ago a trident label acetate in which beside the name of the song there was reported: LARRY LUREX & THE VOLES FROM VENUS. was this name intented to be the name of the artist then shortened to just Larry Lurex??
Also there's 1 side w/l test pressing 7" of I can hear Music from EMI with the stamped number LL A1 in the run-off groove. It should contains 20 sec extra of the song. Is this true?
DOUBLE POST SORRY
eil.com had some time ago a trident label acetate in which beside the name of the song there was reported: LARRY LUREX & THE VOLES FROM VENUS. was this name intented to be the name of the artist then shortened to just Larry Lurex??
Also there's 1 side w/l test pressing 7" of I can hear Music from EMI with the stamped number LL A1 in the run-off groove. It should contains 20 sec extra of the song. Is this true?
DOUBLE POST SORRY
about Larry Lurex single:
eil.com had some time ago a trident label acetate in which beside the name of the song there was reported: LARRY LUREX & THE VOLES FROM VENUS. was this name intented to be the name of the artist then shortened to just Larry Lurex??
Yes, I remember that too. Wasn't it LARRY LUREX & THE VULTURES FROM VENUS?
Also there's 1 side w/l test pressing 7" of I can hear Music from EMI with the stamped number LL A1 in the run-off groove. It should contains 20 sec extra of the song. Is this true?
I am wondering this myself. Any news? The extra 20 secs might be caused by lack of a fade-out.
http://www.queenmuseum.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=267
there you'll see the only picture I've found of it.
as regards the test pressing. I will get one copy of this soon and tell you if it's just fade out..
there you'll see the only picture I've found of it.
as regards the test pressing. I will get one copy of this soon and tell you if it's just fade out..
the test pressing edition contains 20 seconds more than the UK standard issue. So this 3.26 version is the same of the FM box and also of the german 45 issue.
Six years later, it's time to bump this.
I have a Greek pressing of this album, and I'm sure that the cover is a different colour/shade to the UK one. To be honest I've never listened to the vinyl, and I'm sure it's the same, but I will have an in depth listen just in case running times, track listing, edits etc are any different.