What I was wondering is if Dog with a bone would also be a song that already was created during these sessions, and didn't get finished so it was later on rerecorded for the fanclubmembers?
The reason I'm asking this is because it shows ressemblance with Hangman, and also soundwise it could be from the same era, because the song itself is very basic and raw, so a bit typical for their early period.
Dog with a bone is just done in that style and therefore doesn't have to hark back to the old days as an original recorded song. Its resemblance could simply be coincidence. As for the sound, it really has no bearing on the idea. You have to remember that just because something sounds familiar or similar to an idea from a certain time, doesn't mean that it belongs to that era. Unless it's really painfully obvious of course!
Sorry.
Peace,
Adam.
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John S Stuart
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EddieVanHalen: Sorry to disagree, but I think "Dog With A Bone" comes from a much later period, and I also believe it was especially written for the fans attending one of the mid 1980 Queen conventions.
I may be mistaken about the last point, but, perhaps someone who was there could clarify that for us. (Certainly, that's where the bootleg copies come from).
Another common problem Eddie is that it all depends upon the source material you are listening to. The closer to the master - the better the quality - and a myriad of things can corrupt inbetween.
I also have to agree with Adam, that it could be a retro rather than a genuine sound. For example, the Tom Hanks movie "That Thing You Do" was based around a 1960's pastiche written in the late 1990's.
Finally: Have you ever thought that this track was re-cycled? That is you may be partially correct in that some genuine bits of "Hangman" were later reused to create a new track - A sort of "Hangman" revisited? (Again, perhaps Seb would be the one to ask here). I know that during another mid-1980's convention, the members of Queen delivered a personal messages to their fans over the "Invisible Man" instrumental track. Not exactly a remix, but good solid evidence to support a re-cycling theory.
Of course, if that re-cycling theory was demonstrated to be correct, it would mean that Queen "then" had the "Hangman" masters at their disposal (or else how could they recycle?), but, that was before the "great plane robbery" (do you think that's what inspired the unreleased track?) so God only knows if it exists still.
Sorry Eddie, I would love to give you a better or more definitive answer, but this is the best I can do.
PS: I have already answered this post. It is on page 5 of this thread.
PPS: Why the obsession with "Dog With A Bone" and "Hangman"?
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EddieVanHalen
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John S Stuart wrote:
PS: I have already answered this post. It is on page 5 of this thread.
PPS: Why the obsession with "Dog With A Bone" and "Hangman"?
The osbsession for Hangman is created by QP themselves, because they have always denied that it existed, and now there is the proof that it actually exists, that's what is fascinating about it for a lot of us.
And the obsession for Dog with a bone comes from the fact that I like the lyrics, and also what I don't get is why it is a song for the fans, because the lyrics don't have anything to do with a fanclubconvention, while the lyrics from the other The invisible man fanclubmessage contain bits which are indeed for the fans.
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Maz
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So, that's a no to the lyrics question?
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John S Stuart
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Zeni: Sometime - it's something that I need to get around to, but it could be a long wait.
I'll do my best.
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Maz
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That would be fine.
As it is now, I just sing Hangman over and over again.
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Penetration_Guru
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I know all about you
They call you Mr T
You come from nowhere
You use..........
........very very very skillfully
Hangamn says "nice and easy"
Chorus
Hangman, hangman, waiting for me
Hang that rope from the highest tree
I don't want to beg for mercy
Hangman, hangman, hangman, hangman.
Verse
You did a very good job
On a river of ivory (?)
But you go down, you go down
You go down in history
If you say you're tired of living
Hangman says you're afraid of dying
Chorus
Solo
Hangman, wow, why d'you keep calling
Why d'you keep calling
Why do you keep calling me
You go down, you go down
You go down in history
Wll c'est la vie
Now you say you're tired of living
Hangman say you're afraid to die
Hangman says you're afraid of dying
Hangman says he won't let you go
Now you're saying you're frightened of living
Say won't let you go
Hangman, hangman, yeah
You've only come to watch me die
....singing in the morning
...don't let me go
....cry in the morning
1, 2, 3, 4
You can come along, you can come along
Most audible versionn available (I think) is Liverpool 73, unless somebody else knows better?
Very sketchy on the first verse, but it's a start. Feel free to add/correct...
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EddieVanHalen
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Ehm JSS maybe you could start a thread on Queen 2 , because this thread seems to be dead, and it might be handy if you start every threadname in this series with "The Ultimate <albumname> Facts" or something like that, so that one can find it much easier later on if you use the search function.
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Queenland
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> I have taken this information directly from the LP sleeve.
Which year(s) the acetates of Hangman and Jailhouse Rock were recorded ? 1971/2/3 ? JR is a studio demo too ?
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Adam Baboolal
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Adam Baboolal wrote:
There's a dvd project that I'm working on right now for my theatre group which involves bringing together their personal photos, singing on some tracks from this show and also lots of personal video footage donated to the project. Four of those videos were purchased for themselves and they have handed them to me for free!
Now, the next part is hard to believe. I'm repackaging all this stuff together and then selling it back to them. Two points there, one, they're paying for something they already owned and 2, the good part is that it will be improved, e.g. sound remixed and video cleaned (where possible).
Looking at that makes me sound like the bad guy, yes? But the part you don't see is my heart and soul being poured into it. The fact that I didn't have to do this and have taken my own personal time to make and distribute this product to the theatre.
Does it sound familiar? Brian is always talking the same about his projects. The love of it and the excitement at improving and exceeding expectations with technology, etc. etc.
But what's wrong with that? The only thing I can come up with is that it's not always what the fans want to see.
Peace,
Adam.
I never did get an answer to this because Greg popped in on another thread for a second time and everyone ignored posts in this thread.
I think this is an important point that I've made above. Because the basic idea is something we have all heard from QP. And it seems that it's something that is not liked.
Peace,
Adam.
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EddieVanHalen
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Adam Baboolal wrote:
Adam Baboolal wrote:
There's a dvd project that I'm working on right now for my theatre group which involves bringing together their personal photos, singing on some tracks from this show and also lots of personal video footage donated to the project. Four of those videos were purchased for themselves and they have handed them to me for free!
Now, the next part is hard to believe. I'm repackaging all this stuff together and then selling it back to them. Two points there, one, they're paying for something they already owned and 2, the good part is that it will be improved, e.g. sound remixed and video cleaned (where possible).
Looking at that makes me sound like the bad guy, yes? But the part you don't see is my heart and soul being poured into it. The fact that I didn't have to do this and have taken my own personal time to make and distribute this product to the theatre.
Does it sound familiar? Brian is always talking the same about his projects. The love of it and the excitement at improving and exceeding expectations with technology, etc. etc.
But what's wrong with that? The only thing I can come up with is that it's not always what the fans want to see.
Peace,
Adam.
I never did get an answer to this because Greg popped in on another thread for a second time and everyone ignored posts in this thread.
I think this is an important point that I've made above. Because the basic idea is something we have all heard from QP. And it seems that it's something that is not liked.
Peace,
Adam.
But Adam you can't compare Brian's point of view with the fans their point of view, because to Brian those demo's and unreleased songs aren't exciting at all ços he has already heard them all, in fact he helped making them.
I think that Brian is so into remixing all of the queen catalogue into 5.1 surround because he really loves the music that Queen created and beause he is really proud.
And what you're doing for your theatre group is very nice work too, but not comparable to the job QP or Brian has to do.
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John S Stuart
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ThomasQuinn: John S Stuart wrote:
"I have already posted all I know about "Queen".
Forgive me for asking, but could you give me a link to that?"
Here we are Thomas!
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Snefru
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The 'Golders Green Hippodrome' sept. 1973 IS released on a bootleg CD (silver pressed) called
"Queen Will Be Crowened".
Procession
Father To Son
Son And Daughter
See What A Fool I've Been
Ogre Battle
Liar
Jailhouse Rock~
Stupid Cupid~
Be Bop A Lula~
Jailhouse Rock (reprise)
Big Spender~
Bama Mama Bama Lou
