Zeni, Lester, and William summed my feelings up on this so I'll spare you all.
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I believe I understand Scott, but I think he was wrong in one point: it's not about bad fans, it's about bad posters.
I don't find anything wrong if a teenager asks anything they want to know (as long as it makes sense). We the older can help them, even if it's a silly question. There's always someone who cares to give a hand.
The big problem comes when a nice debate or thread had started and suddenly one poster (fequently a teenager) makes a stupid statement and the flame war starts. Sadly, that thing ends the thread and starts nonsense and nasty words. That puts away the true posters and of course, the true teenager fans who really want to say or learn something. I've seen interesting threads ending in absurd private jokes or one-word nonsense, and that kind of thing kills in serious members the desire to join a thread.
I don't find anything wrong if a teenager asks anything they want to know (as long as it makes sense). We the older can help them, even if it's a silly question. There's always someone who cares to give a hand.
The big problem comes when a nice debate or thread had started and suddenly one poster (fequently a teenager) makes a stupid statement and the flame war starts. Sadly, that thing ends the thread and starts nonsense and nasty words. That puts away the true posters and of course, the true teenager fans who really want to say or learn something. I've seen interesting threads ending in absurd private jokes or one-word nonsense, and that kind of thing kills in serious members the desire to join a thread.
In Scott's eyes, a fan yes. An expert, far from it.
I guess what he's trying to say is that there should be a clearer distinction on the board between the casual fan who's got the Greatest Hits CDs and maybe ANatO or NotW, and the hard-line nutjob like me who thinks "Dog With A Bone" should've been on The Miracle.
I guess what he's trying to say is that there should be a clearer distinction on the board between the casual fan who's got the Greatest Hits CDs and maybe ANatO or NotW, and the hard-line nutjob like me who thinks "Dog With A Bone" should've been on The Miracle.
I agree with the majority ofthe rant but .....
Liza Minelli lead singer, I would rather have baby spice :)
The only reason why Liza Minelli gets respect is thanks to the thousands (perhaps millions) of gay men who think she can sing.
Out of the 2 I would still prefer BS, but I think that picking Paul Rodgers was a perfect choice. He is around the same age as Brian and Roger and IMO has done a great job with the songs.
This is the most arrogant post I've ever seen on this forum and probably anywhere else too.
I'm 34 years old. Liked Queen since childhood, but became a real fan (oops Scott thinks I'm not) after Freddie died, because well, for my personal reasons.
Probably he's right though...He is the fan, which we all know stands for FANATIC. I don't feel the need to own all there is about Queen, nor to know every little detail about them, nor to boast the things I do know about them, because...I just love Freddie and Queen. Yes, I'm not a fanatic...
This post is much much worse than any posts by people like BPP whom so many on here dislike. And much more childish than the posts by the newbies you are so fed up with. If this forum isn't always a nice place to be, it isn't really because of the newbies...it is mostly because of the people like you who attack them, and who waste time talking about them instead of simply letting their silly posts slip out of sight.
Fairy
I'm 34 years old. Liked Queen since childhood, but became a real fan (oops Scott thinks I'm not) after Freddie died, because well, for my personal reasons.
Probably he's right though...He is the fan, which we all know stands for FANATIC. I don't feel the need to own all there is about Queen, nor to know every little detail about them, nor to boast the things I do know about them, because...I just love Freddie and Queen. Yes, I'm not a fanatic...
This post is much much worse than any posts by people like BPP whom so many on here dislike. And much more childish than the posts by the newbies you are so fed up with. If this forum isn't always a nice place to be, it isn't really because of the newbies...it is mostly because of the people like you who attack them, and who waste time talking about them instead of simply letting their silly posts slip out of sight.
Fairy
The bottom line kids... if you are going to run with the big dogs, either know your shit, or sit back, and read awhile.
Scary, kids! He is going to give us all a grade in Queenology!!! Study hard...Finals are coming!!!
LOL LOL LOL
Hope I get at least a C!
Fairy
Real fans are those the love the music of Queen
dont matter if their new or old.
what matters is some should have a bit more patience with newbies...
a 13 year old fan will someday be a 23 on up year old fan...
i myself asked quite a few dumb arse things when i first found this place... internet was new to me... still learning on it to this day.,...
as big as a fan as i am, and seeing them as many times as i have(oh you remember that SM you called me out on that a while back.) and as many conventions i have help orgainize..there is still stuff i dont know
i certainly was not treated as many newbies are now here...
that being said the nb was also not flooded with a bunch of shite either....
you have to learn what to read..what not to...
and just let the rest of it go...
treating others with contempt, arrogance, disrepect and outright ugliness does nothing but breed board flooding, fights and hatred of one another
the dynamics of the Queen family being a supportive, understanding welcoming group is slowly changing to a bitter, self rightous 'i know better then you' gimme gimme gimme, i am better then you mentality...
quite a shame ...
dont matter if their new or old.
what matters is some should have a bit more patience with newbies...
a 13 year old fan will someday be a 23 on up year old fan...
i myself asked quite a few dumb arse things when i first found this place... internet was new to me... still learning on it to this day.,...
as big as a fan as i am, and seeing them as many times as i have(oh you remember that SM you called me out on that a while back.) and as many conventions i have help orgainize..there is still stuff i dont know
i certainly was not treated as many newbies are now here...
that being said the nb was also not flooded with a bunch of shite either....
you have to learn what to read..what not to...
and just let the rest of it go...
treating others with contempt, arrogance, disrepect and outright ugliness does nothing but breed board flooding, fights and hatred of one another
the dynamics of the Queen family being a supportive, understanding welcoming group is slowly changing to a bitter, self rightous 'i know better then you' gimme gimme gimme, i am better then you mentality...
quite a shame ...
Ok I'll add my two-penneth, I understand what Scott meant, but I don't believe the age when a person got hooked on Queen is relevant, or even how long they've enjoyed the music. Personally I was 8, that was way back in the mists of time - no not the '90's - 1975. I'd heard SSoR on the Radio, but it was when I saw them do KQ on TotPs that I fell, first for the pretty blond and then for the band and their music. The biggest problem with some people here and yes some of those appear to be younger - I don't make a habit of looking up ages - is the whole; I'm a real fan you're not, A real fan only loves Freddie, It isn't the same without Freddie, - and the perennial favourite, When did Freddie know he had AIDs- like anyone here actually knows the moment!
You could argue I'm not a true fan because I don't know which chords Brian played in the 6th minute of his solo in Osaka 1982.
But what the hell I know Roger was the sexiest drummer alive on that day, so that's good enough for me.
No one on this site is in the position to say what a true fan is or isn't, and I strongly object to being told what a true fan would think of this, that, or the other - especially the other. And Scott I do symathise with your - Ooh Queen on the telly! - frustrations, but all I can say is ignore it and as the wise Suigi said 'Just put on some early Queen, and mellow for a bit.'
Here endeth the lesson
Awk
You could argue I'm not a true fan because I don't know which chords Brian played in the 6th minute of his solo in Osaka 1982.
But what the hell I know Roger was the sexiest drummer alive on that day, so that's good enough for me.
No one on this site is in the position to say what a true fan is or isn't, and I strongly object to being told what a true fan would think of this, that, or the other - especially the other. And Scott I do symathise with your - Ooh Queen on the telly! - frustrations, but all I can say is ignore it and as the wise Suigi said 'Just put on some early Queen, and mellow for a bit.'
Here endeth the lesson
Awk
I have often thought "am I a real Queen-fan". But what is a fan,..how many concerts must you have seen, how many cd's or lp's (ya know, the big black CD's you can bent) must you have, how many pictures you must have glued in your own "Queen-srapbook" before you can call yourself a fan......
I'm 43 years old now and a Queen fan since the first time I heard "Killer Queen" on the radio. Since then Queen has been a part of my life and yes,..a part of my very soul!!! Freddie, Brian, John and Roger were Gods to me. Now I see them as very talented musicians who gave us a lot of beautiful music. Don't bother or judge about what a fan is or should be. Let the music fill your head and heart. Enjoy it, because that's what music is all about and ment for.
My 12 year old son loves to listen to Queen, but also listens to Eminem, Linken Park, 50 cent, etc. and I must confess that these artist stick in my brain too!!!
Freddie loved opera, but also heavey rock,...music is universal and timeless, if you have an open mind for it....
I'm 43 years old now and a Queen fan since the first time I heard "Killer Queen" on the radio. Since then Queen has been a part of my life and yes,..a part of my very soul!!! Freddie, Brian, John and Roger were Gods to me. Now I see them as very talented musicians who gave us a lot of beautiful music. Don't bother or judge about what a fan is or should be. Let the music fill your head and heart. Enjoy it, because that's what music is all about and ment for.
My 12 year old son loves to listen to Queen, but also listens to Eminem, Linken Park, 50 cent, etc. and I must confess that these artist stick in my brain too!!!
Freddie loved opera, but also heavey rock,...music is universal and timeless, if you have an open mind for it....
Scott Mercury, YOU ARE A FUCKING SNOT-NOSED ASSHOLE!! Two steps away from being a stepford - something I quite happily taunt and dismember bit by bit until they give up or I get nuked.
I skimmed most of this thread 'cos a lot of what you had to say was utter bullshit, but here's my 'polite' rebuttal to the things I did read:
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!! I'm one of the 'younger' Queen fans here, I've never seen Wayne's World (well, I haven't seen the first one anyway), never kissed a member of the same sex and liked it (she was a crap kisser), and I don't give a fuck about the tour one way or another. Oh, and I don't claim to know everything about Queen. If I did, then I would be hanging round outside Roger's house right about now with a camera or I would be egging Brian for being such a snot-nosed fuck not unlike yourself.
You think you're better than heaps of other Queenfans just 'cos your old. Well hon, maybe I'm not old like you, but that doesn't make me a fucking ignorant teenybopper either.
Oh, and leave Linda the fuck alone. You think you know everything about this place and you've only been here two fucking months!! You'd know a lot about how this place works wouldn't you? Fuck off, wanker.
I feel much better now, tearing into fucks like SM here seems to work better than coffee in the morning... :)
I skimmed most of this thread 'cos a lot of what you had to say was utter bullshit, but here's my 'polite' rebuttal to the things I did read:
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!! I'm one of the 'younger' Queen fans here, I've never seen Wayne's World (well, I haven't seen the first one anyway), never kissed a member of the same sex and liked it (she was a crap kisser), and I don't give a fuck about the tour one way or another. Oh, and I don't claim to know everything about Queen. If I did, then I would be hanging round outside Roger's house right about now with a camera or I would be egging Brian for being such a snot-nosed fuck not unlike yourself.
You think you're better than heaps of other Queenfans just 'cos your old. Well hon, maybe I'm not old like you, but that doesn't make me a fucking ignorant teenybopper either.
Oh, and leave Linda the fuck alone. You think you know everything about this place and you've only been here two fucking months!! You'd know a lot about how this place works wouldn't you? Fuck off, wanker.
I feel much better now, tearing into fucks like SM here seems to work better than coffee in the morning... :)
Congratulations DarkQueen, you have explained Scott's point even better than he did.
A shame :(
A shame :(
Again, distance yourself, my childen.
This is just a post.
On a message board.
About Queen.
Do NOT take such great offense about it.
You could always just leave.
Or hit the Back button.
But don't sink to his level.
Oh, and Scott? I do believe Freddie wants his last name back, after he heard that you're wiping shit all over it.
This is just a post.
On a message board.
About Queen.
Do NOT take such great offense about it.
You could always just leave.
Or hit the Back button.
But don't sink to his level.
Oh, and Scott? I do believe Freddie wants his last name back, after he heard that you're wiping shit all over it.
and your meant to be the 'mature' one. a real fan, as i'm sure others have emphasised, is a person who truly appreciates Queen's music,whether they be 5 or 50. this argument is not based on any full proof.
Real fans are those the love the music of Queen
dont matter if their new or old.
...treating others with contempt, arrogance, disrepect and outright ugliness does nothing but breed board flooding, fights and hatred of one another
the dynamics of the Queen family being a supportive, understanding welcoming group is slowly changing to a bitter, self rightous 'i know better then you' gimme gimme gimme, i am better then you mentality...
quite a shame ...
Well said Paul! i had a feeling we'd hear from you about this! Some people just have it out for others they feel are beneath them.
Hope all is well, & that the convention is falling nicely into place. Send me an email if you get a chance Iron Eagle.
Signed,
Your friendly neighborhood Art Gallery owner from West Chester, PA.
The real deal eh Scott Mercury? You are a sad strange little man/woman, irrespective of age or dedication to any band. You are trying to invent some sort of moral high ground - I am actually surprised to see this in "Serious Discussion".
Precisely what is a real fan, other than someone that maybe just likes to listen to Queen? I know I listen to them just about every day, but I suppose because I was born in '86, I'm not a fan? You are a tool.
Precisely what is a real fan, other than someone that maybe just likes to listen to Queen? I know I listen to them just about every day, but I suppose because I was born in '86, I'm not a fan? You are a tool.