queen and rodgers

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

BHM 0271 wrote:

You're missing the point Brenski. It's Queen AND Paul Rodgers on tour. .

I didn't miss the point at all.
But in case you missed my point here's soemthings i noticed

1. there were FOUR writers in queen, now with PR that makes FIVE. A typical setlist is between 20-25 songs in length.
2. Divide the setlist into five songs each writer, there's easily enough by each writer to suit the PR vocals
3. Brian gets more than a third of the new setlist....sounds like money-grabbing to me
4. finally, your 'nick' BHM 0271 - wonder who you named that after? not as if you'd defend Brian's corner unduly with a 'nick' like that now, is it?

I understand your point, but try thinking like Brian. Frddie`s songs are very melodic and beatifull but are not very fun to play.
As a guitar player myself i enjoy playng TYMD and others, and apart from Ogre Battle, i never EVER play Freddie`s songs even though they`re my favourites ones.
Killer Queen is a tremendous work by Freddie, and for me it`s the most beautifull melody, harmony, you name it, in modern rock history!!
Now, try play that song with a band and you`ll see what i mean!

I think Brian is more into pure Rock just because it`s more fun to play, and i think he`s right. I mean, we all enjoy Lilly of the Valley, but they already have Love of My Life in the set.

The thing is, i don`t think that they are putting Freddie`s songs aside on purpose. It happens that the other 3 wrote more simpler songs, more enjoyable in a live set. And Paul`s songs are great too.

Before you accused me, let me explain what i`m saying:

I love Somebody to Love, but the best live version i saw of that song was at the Tribute concert, because of all the production on stage. Just the four of them singuing that song live, it was OK but never matched the original (i know you guys are going to say the names of some of the bootlegs that cointains a STL version very close to the original, but i keep what i said).

They are now in their fifties, and it was hard enough for them to learn Fat bottom girls, and unless they hire some good backing singuers, i think that the most complex songs are not going to be played.

Take care

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

Arlene R. Weiss wrote:

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

Martin, I saw your post in that thread. Did you see mine?

Arlene, i agree. my whole point was around Brian's need to cash in on queen. and what better way for BHM to make more money, than by removing the 'great and the good' from the setlist

i smell a RS-shaped rat!!!

whatever next?

Queen Tour 2006 - Sponsored by CROWN Paint & ROYAL bank of Scotland?

Martin, whatever people say about ''conspiracy theories'' is utter bullshit. Facts are facts.

While I do agree what BHM 0271 said about Paul Rodgers voice being more ''suited'' to sing Brian's songs rather than a lot of Freddie's...well then..

Tough Shit on Paul...

..Because the whole point still of a Queen tour after 19 years, is to pay homage to and cover the vast creative scope of FOUR creative songwriting members of Queen..FREDDIE included. Brian knew that when considering even doing this tour.

If Paul's vocal abilities are NOT capable of singing Freddie's songs...then that is just tough SHIT on Brian and then he should NOT have chosen Paul after all (if this is the case as BHM 0271's points out and I do NOT know if it is in fact the case..just making my point on that...that that should be IRRELEVANT!)

So...whether this has to do with paul not being able to sing Freddie's songs...

Or...just plain greed on Brian's part...

Either way...Freddie's role is vastly diminished to a worldwide concert audience that will probably see Queen on tour for the very last time..and take ...

..very impressionably..what they see and hear...as the gospel..and Freddie..will fade into less and less importance..in his vital and essential and legendary role as one of (and in my opinion....THE great songwriter..of Queen..even if he did write less after 1986...)

P.S. Yes, some of Freddie's earlier 70's tunes SHOULD have been included whether melodic or rockers but all this shit about how the current context of Brian, Roger, Paul, Jamie, Spike, yada not being up to a song like...

Somebody to Love...to NOT include that classic on what will most assuredly be the last ever global tour of Queen..is criminal. (as well as Killer Queen)

All this then should heve been thought out and planned and EXCUSE me but that point someone brought up about well Queen would have had to bring back up singers...

..and your point? So bring backup singers and don't do the tour HALF ASS, but FULL ON.

Most every concert by every damn artist I've ever seen in concert from Eric Clapton to Phil Collins to even Lynyrd Skynyrd (the new crappy lineup at that) STILL coughed up the money and had the professionalism to have BACK UP singers...
...if needed.

What this all boils down to are EXCUSES and RATIONALIZING. Like I said..if you go on tour do NOT do it half planned and half ass..do it well planned, well thought out, well prepared amd FULL ON.

Then... there would be NO problems doing any of Freddie's songs..end of story,..

...of course now we have a NEW story..which is Queen as revised and rewritten by Brian.

thankyou Arlene, finally a voice of reason. Someone else around here not so far up Brian's Arse that they can't see the truth.

As i said from the beginning:-
1. Freddie's songs have been part of the stage act for ALL of Queen's touring life - why rid us of them now?
2. Brian said that 'something felt right' about Paul. well i don't agree. Queen have EVERY right to tour/record/or write as Queen, despite Freddie's demise. But they don't have a fucking right to diminish his importance or his memory - for whatever reason that may be!!!
3. Arlene - you are spot-on (again) if Paul ain't up to the job of singing Freddie songs - then GET SOME FUCKER WHO IS - there are plenty of great singers out there....if not have two or three guest singers....but don't do a Brian May/Free/bad Co show...that ain't fucking Queen!!!

sorry people - i saw them live five times, (okay so i'm privileged) but Queen can still do a job - but not if a fair cross-section of Queen songs don't get performed...this is 'going through the motions' in the saddest, most pathetic, 'take the money and run' attitude. and depsite what most say about comspiracies - it's fucking strange that BH May is gaining the most fromthe WWRY and Current Tour setlists....very fucking odd

Wow, I must say that between you and Arlene, Brenski, you've certainly got Brian and his merry band of X-Files men figured out. All I can say is that calling Arlene the "voice of reason" is like calling Johnny Knoxville "the expert about the Red Special." Arlene may be a lovely person, seems very passionate, but she has taken great leaps of liberty in the past on certain matters. That's fine, but for her to suggest that PR should sing songs out of his element are foolish. Maybe he can't sing songs about high class call girls and buff men on bikes and feel good about it. It doesn't diminish Freddie's legacy at all. Freddie Mercury, IMHO, was the most talented person EVER in the world of rock and roll. As I'v posted elsewhere, he wrote what was ARGUALBLY the greatest song of all time. He was ARGUABLY the best singer of all time. He was ARGUABLY the greatest frontman of all time, and he ARGUABLY was responsible for Queen stealing the show at Live Aid, the biggest concert in the history of music since Woodstock. So I ain't anti-Freddie. I'm anti people who don't realize Freddie wrote and played a lot of stuff in unusual for rock keys, and had a unique way of phrasing and singing. PR is probably not comfortable with that. He is meat and potatoes, and so is this tour setlist. Freddie was caviar and truffles. Two different worlds, and for the 80th time, there may be 3 songs they should be doing of Fred's that they're not. There's a ton more of Brian's (It's Late, Now I'm Here, White Queen, Dragon Attack) that'd be better suited to PR's voice, so get over it.

And BHM 0271 is my guitar serial number, doesn't make me a Brian or Freddie man, and I'm on the record as saying QP (which includes Brian) are money grubbers of the first division who'd rather rehash old glories forever than put out quality product. Go find another flimsy reason to defend your ludicrous position.

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

if Paul ain't up to the job of singing Freddie songs - then GET SOME FUCKER WHO IS - there are plenty of great singers out there....if not have two or three guest singers....

Agree! If you asked him to sing Queen songs, but he can't then find someone else! He's a great singer, but if his voice doesn't suited to most of the Queen songs (okay, to Freddie's, they need to use Freddie voice in Bo Rhap even), well...

(They even performes one Brian's solo song on this tour, though for instance no any Roger's solo songs on the tour neither on GH III)

Serry... wrote:

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

if Paul ain't up to the job of singing Freddie songs - then GET SOME FUCKER WHO IS - there are plenty of great singers out there....if not have two or three guest singers....

Agree! If you asked him to sing Queen songs, but he can't then find someone else! He's a great singer, but if his voice doesn't suited to most of the Queen songs (okay, to Freddie's, they need to use Freddie voice in Bo Rhap even), well...

(They even performes one Brian's solo song on this tour, though for instance no any Roger's solo songs on the tour neither on GH III)

exactly1!!! Brian...brian...brian....brian's songs (his queen songs) his solo songs...w-t-f?

as i said before get a singer who can habdle the high-end stuff...or get TWO lead-vocalists -who cares so long as it's done right

there's a huge difference between 'doing queen' and 'doing queen right'

i've heard stuff from this tour - and quite frankly - that's the reason i don't want to get anymore of the 2005 bootlegs.... Paul's vocals may be solid blues/rock - but tHAT ain't queen - the singing is completely wrong.....and sounds way out

i still come back to my original argument - if they can do Brian songs and re-arrange them to suit Paul's voice - then they can do the same for freddie's songs...but they won't - because Brain wants HIS material in the set

And about if the song suited to someone's voice or not - though I'm not an expert as I wrote - but Roger himself sung everything he wanted to sing on his solo concerts - I Want To Break Free, The Show Must Go On, We Will Rock You, Lennon's and Hendrix songs etc. etc. etc. and I'm not sure that fans were disappointed! So, it's not a problem to re-arrange song for making it suited to someone's voice, IMHO.

this list is totally a wish list of songs not on the European set list:

Keep Yourself Alive
Fight From the Inside
Play the Game
I Go Crazy
One Vision
Scandal
Innuendo
Headlong

Let's Get It on With Sideburns (Paul/vocals)
Mrs Robinson (Simon & Garfunkel cover)

BPP, did you see Hollywood Walk of Fame show in October 2002 in LA? Brian, Rog, Spike, & crew? We were completely blown away. Is there more in a name than in a song?

You guys should write for the X-Files! Really, i think you`re great in finding theories about nothing!!!

They already play 30 songs in a show, and to be honest they do it very well. They don`t play your favorites, though shit!!
This setlist is waaay better than the Magic tour one... all you do is complain... a year ago you complain about they`re not touring agin... Then it was Paul Rodger... now, this crap theory that puts Brian May as an evil greedy bastard...
And, if there`s a person that don`t deserves this kind of behaviour from the fans is Brian or any Queen member. Stop acting like you`re Freddies older brothers and sisters.

Brian is doing a hell of a job, and to be honest i don`t miss that much Killer Queen, or STL. I would love to hear them, but it`s good as it is, so stop this crap...

Take care

Bobby_brown wrote:

You guys should write for the X-Files! Really, i think you`re great in finding theories about nothing!!!

This setlist is waaay better than the Magic tour one... all you do is complain... a year ago you complain about they`re not touring agin... Then it was Paul Rodger... now, this crap theory that puts Brian May as an evil greedy bastard...

Take care

get real. i've never slagged them for touring/not touring
i've never slagged them for Paul rodgers...i defended their right to choose him on this board, until i saw the setlist
it's got fuck all to do with 'my favourites' it's about queen setlists....Brian is a greedy b*****d - hence the amount of hIS tracks in WWRY, the latest setlist, and wait n see how many adverts HIS songs appear in

i'm telling you Brian May is not about QUEEN this time - he's about Brian May's retirement Fund!!!

Who said about 'our fave tracks are not in the list'? All Queen tracks are my fave ones - from Arboria to The Show Must Go On. We said about Freddie's tracks which are not in the list.

Some of fans, guys, want to hear real hard rock songs - and yes, most of them were written by Brian, but some other guys want to hear classic Queen songs (most of the stuff what you can label as 'classic' was written by Freddie, and no matter if you miss or not about Killer Queen, but it was first Queen super-hit) too! Not only Brian's hard rock numbers.

This is not about Paul Rodgers, this is not about what the set list must be in my opinion, this is not about if they played good or bad, you still don't get the point... Just read my reply about 'I Want It All' (STUDIO version) and 'Mother Love'.

And, Bobby, then you're saying "you complain about this, you complain about that" - please name persons who do you mean by this "you".

Serry... wrote:

Who said about 'our fave tracks are not in the list'? All Queen tracks are my fave ones - from Arboria to The Show Must Go On. We said about Freddie's tracks which are not in the list.

Some of fans, guys, want to hear real hard rock songs - and yes, most of them were written by Brian, but some other guys want to hear classic Queen songs (most of the stuff what you can label as 'classic' was written by Freddie, and no matter if you miss or not about Killer Queen, but it was first Queen super-hit) too! Not only Brian's hard rock numbers.

This is not about Paul Rodgers, this is not about what the set list must be in my opinion, this is not about if they played good or bad, you still don't get the point... Just read my reply about 'I Want It All' and 'Mother Love' (STUDIO version).

And, Bobby, then you're saying "you complain about this, you complain about that" - please name who do you mean by this "you".

When i mean "you" i speack to all of you in general, not a particular one. I really don`t see the point of this discussion.

Killer Queen- even with Freddie they didn`t play the song in it`s entirely form, and then they droped it for the eighties tour, so it´s not just Brian`s opinion about this song being performed live. It´s a beautifull music, but it requires a great amount of concentration, because you just can`t improvise on that one.

Somebody To Love- It was droped for the Magic tour, so...

The point is, they would never please everyone, because they have too many great songs to choose from.

This is more a rock`n Roll band, and i think it`s great!!

And by the way, this is all about Paul Rodgers, go read the other posters opinions. You guys just don`t miss an oportunity to bring this subject.

Do you want my opinion? Here it goes:

I DOUBT that Freddie could do better at the age of 55 years old. You are comparing a 55 year old with a 40 year old person (freddie on his last tour).

To be honest i doubt that, if Freddie was alive, that he could sing his earlier songs.

And i don`t see the point of this topic!!

TAke care

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

Bobby_brown wrote:

You guys should write for the X-Files! Really, i think you`re great in finding theories about nothing!!!

This setlist is waaay better than the Magic tour one... all you do is complain... a year ago you complain about they`re not touring agin... Then it was Paul Rodger... now, this crap theory that puts Brian May as an evil greedy bastard...

Take care

get real. i've never slagged them for touring/not touring
i've never slagged them for Paul rodgers...i defended their right to choose him on this board, until i saw the setlist
it's got fuck all to do with 'my favourites' it's about queen setlists....Brian is a greedy b*****d - hence the amount of hIS tracks in WWRY, the latest setlist, and wait n see how many adverts HIS songs appear in

i'm telling you Brian May is not about QUEEN this time - he's about Brian May's retirement Fund!!!

And wat`s your problem about that, he deserves every single penny of it!
John is siting at home watching his bank acount grow, and doing nothing for it.
And if Brian his getting more from WWRY, he`s the one who works more too, so...

Take care

Bobby_brown wrote:

And wat`s your problem about that, he deserves every single penny of it!
John is siting at home watching his bank acount grow, and doing nothing for it.
And if Brian his getting more from WWRY, he`s the one who works more too, so...

Take care

i'll tell you what the f**king problem is. The Company is called QUEEN PRODUCTIONS LTD not BRIAN MAY PLC, so HE should be looking ou for the interests of ALL COMPANY DIRECTORS - NOT JUST HIMESLF. Work it out.

BHM track live
= performing royalties for 'queen lineup' performing gig
= song-writing royalties for composer
so BHM is getting a much larger slice of the pie.

And to those who say 'well, freddie's songs were to intricate to perform live'

1. freddie did them
2. freddie got royalties for them
3. paul Rogers could sing other freddie songs

and if you still dispute the 'BHM is on the make for BHM' theory...answer me this....

why are there so little songs from the last three albums? - it' ain't the 'intricacy of the songs freddie composed' theory, because there's plenty freddie wrote on those last three cds that paul could do.
i'll tell you why...it's because the song-writing credits were all credited equally to 'queen'
so BHM would have to split the song-royalties four ways if they were performed live

it's fairly simple maths

Brenski wrote:

why are there so little songs from the last three albums? - it' ain't the 'intricacy of the songs freddie composed' theory, because there's plenty freddie wrote on those last three cds that paul could do.
i'll tell you why...it's because the song-writing credits were all credited equally to 'queen'
so BHM would have to split the song-royalties four ways if they were performed live

it's fairly simple maths[/QUOTE]




Of course it`s that, and the greedy bastard doesn`t want to share, does he?
Suddenly, Brian as change from the most nice person in rock to a greedy bastard!

Poor Roger Taylor, i bet he doesn`t have a word to say about that!!

When people go on tour they have contracts stipulating what every musician is earning. I doubt that Brian is making more money out of this tour than Roger or even Paul Rodgers, DOUBT IT!!

But, assuming you`re right that means that in the past Brian and Freddie were been paying more for a tour than Roger and John!!- So, now you have two big greedy bastards on Queen. Probably that`s what Freddie meant to say when he said that Queen were four individuals with the same importance on the band. No one was more important than others!

Let me guive you an advice for your life:
-Don`t judge people this way, because you now nothing, you are just assuming things. Based on what?- Probably based on your own behaviour (see, i`m judging yourself the way you do with Brian, and it`s not pleasant, is it?)
-Be carefull you those maths!!

Take care