queen and rodgers

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

Bobby_brown wrote:
You`re right about the royalties, i thought you`re talking about other thing.
Take care

then i think YOU should learn to read. i have NOT changed my viewpoint OR what i've stated formthe off. as far as i've said this has ALWAYS been about royalties...why don't YOU check back and see what i've posted? then YOU WILL see!!! then YOU can apologise....at least i have maintained a consistent and sound argument - your's has gone all over the place in search of any plausible link to try and discredit me...why waste your time....why didn't you just simply read what was said without having to 'assum' hidden agendas? i've said form the start this was ALL ABOUT royalties - feel free to retract/apologise/accept you are wrong....

(oh and btw - thanks serry and arlene - for at least stopping me thinking i was going mad/incapable of reading)

I`ve read all your posts. When i say you`re right about royalties, i thought you were talking about other things, i`m not saying you`re right about what you`ve said about Brian`s behaviour. I thought you were talking about the performance money (and in this case they`re been payed equally), and that doesn`t invaluate what i said. Because, as you know,the royalties money from a concert are so insignificant, compared to what this guys are earning for performing, that i think it`s silly to even bring that subject on!

As for apologies, i don`t need to apologise you because i`ve never offended you, and i will never will, because that`s not the way i am.

In a previous post, i said what i said about you besed on what you`re writing about Brian, just to point out that it`s not a pleasant thing to do. And you feel offended by me, but you continue to say what you want about Brian without thinking that you are offendind Brian`s good name!

It`s not because some people agree with you, that you prove anything. As i said before, your facts are no facts at all, if you want to proove your point against Brian.

And i believe i`m not the only one thinking like this.
You have a right to an opinion, but this is far beyond an opinion because it`s a person good name that`s on the table.

Take care

Serry... wrote:

Bobby_brown wrote:

If i could, i would ban you from this site!

Ask Richard or Barbara or make a thread with petition to ban me (if you'd get enough signs there - I'll leave this board, maybe this helps http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=530028 ), come to Russia find and kill me, say that you don't understand my English. Go ahead! Be a man in your age - do something besides words!

And what kind of shit I've said about Brian? Give me my quotes with shit about Brian. If you won't do it - then you are just another pathetic liar!

Cool down, man. I don`t wish your dead, I hope you`ll live a great live!!
I don`t need violence to proove i´m a man and neither do you.

When you ask me about quotes from you with shit about Brian, you must be kidding, right?
In a previous post you said that at least Brensky have FACTS, while me- my emotions.
When you say something like this, you`re assuming Brenski point of view, and your posts prove that you agree with that theory. Well, if that isn`t a theory with shit about Brian, the i`m sorry.
And probably, i`m wrong and you don`t aproove what Brenski says about Brian because you don`t say shit about him. Wich one is it,, then?


Take care

Yes I agree with Brenski on this theory. But I'm not agree with him about his opinion about HS. So what? We all need to have same opinions and believe in same things and theories? But have I ever said something rude about Brian? What kind of 'shit' I've put him in? He wants money, so do I! Is this shit? No, this is life.

So why I need to be banned from QZ? For having theories? For my question about I Want It All (and this question have never been answered by you or BHM, you all just ignore it)? For my reply about facts and emotions?

Serry... wrote:

...and one more fact: do you guys remember how Brian was unhappy that Roger has got loads of money for I'm In Love With My Car what was B-side to Freddie's Bo Rhap?! It was mentioned in some interviews, it's not my night dream. Just business, nothing personal.

And I'm a not anti-Brian maniac! Brian is only one from Queen who I've been priviliged to talk with and I admired of this man, but he's a human.

And yes, this is theory, maybe I'm wrong and maybe I'm really need to be banned for having this theory as Bobby requested. But as Isaac Newton said: Amicus Plato amicus Aristoteles magis amica veritas ("Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my best friend is truth").

First you say you admire Brian, then you say that he`s only human. So, you`re assuming that a human behaviour is based on money, above all things?

Let me tell you the Brian i know, and what he thinks about royalties:

As you already know, Brian is the writer of "See what a fool i`ve been" but he`s allways said that this song was based on another song that he have heard on television, but since then was unable to find it`s authors for royalties, even though the final version was difernt from the original.

Two years ago, they were researching for the boxes and finally found the song that gave birth to SWFIB but unfortunatly the authors of the song were already dead, but he was going to pay their familly the royalties of the song (for good Karma, has he says). After thirty years Brian was going to do this gesture, when he didn`t need to. But he only did what he thought was right!!

This is the Brian i believe, if you want to believe in another Beian go ahead!!

Peace men, don`t be with bad feelings about me, because i don`t have any bad feelings about you!

Take care

This will be my final post as this could go on for days. Yes, Serry, there were numerous reports, which are factual, about the division of royalties from Bohemian Rhapsody. However, the B-side, I'm in love with my car, is Roger's song, so if anything, the person who had the beef about royalties surely would be Freddie! He pens the greatest song of all time, sells millions of singles, and has to split the money with Roger. How would Brian be upset about this? He would either be on Roger's side (that he deserved the money) or Freddie's side (that Freddie deserved more money.) Brian wouldn't have seen a cent of it either way. Are you saying he was upset because he should have made the same amount of money as Freddie and Roger even though he wrote neither side of the single? If you are, you're speculating and reaching a long way.

As for the credit issue for I Want It All, I can't answer that. My beliefs are that the agreement to have all songs written by Queen on the final two albums had absolutely nothing to do with sharing royalties. It had everything to do with protecting Fred from people reading too much into the lyrics. They thought that The Miracle would be his last album. There are lyric lines and theme's all through The Miracle that could be interpreted rather easily as lines written by man knowing his time was short. Obviously the same for Innuendo. Both Was it all worth it and TSMGO are pretty clearly written as goodbye songs. TATDOOL, Bijou, The Miracle ("it's the miracle we need"), Hang on in there etc. all have signs of facing mortality in them. What were they going to say? "Yeah, it's Fred's song, he's dying and wants to express his feelings lyrically." They wanted to put journalists off the trail as they all agreed to close ranks around Freddie until the end. Brian told how hard it was to lie to people about it. I saw Brian in Toronto in 1991, and one of the questions was about touring again, and was the reason they didn't because of Freddie's health? Brian said that Freddie didn't want to tour, and as far as his health, "he ain't dead yet." People cheered. Remember in North America, Queen was off the map. We had no idea Freddie was dying, there was no internet posting things daily on his health. I think it was a clever ploy to keep people away from rumour, and give some privacy to Freddie at the end. Maybe they had an agreement that after X years, Brian, John and Roger could claim their songs for themselves. Then again, I'm just speculating :)

I was away yesterday and missed all this. So...I'll say this...Sergey and Martin took the torch up and said it all best.

Serry... wrote:

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

if Paul ain't up to the job of singing Freddie songs - then GET SOME FUCKER WHO IS - there are plenty of great singers out there....if not have two or three guest singers....

Agree! If you asked him to sing Queen songs, but he can't then find someone else! He's a great singer, but if his voice doesn't suited to most of the Queen songs (okay, to Freddie's, they need to use Freddie voice in Bo Rhap even), well...

(They even performes one Brian's solo song on this tour, though for instance no any Roger's solo songs on the tour neither on GH III)

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

thank you Serry. sad though that SOME people can't understand simple facts like YOURS and MINE.

as we've maintained ALL ALONG - this latest queen thing is not about THE FANS and it's not about QUEEN it's about money

Brian may has done a lot for queen , granted - but since Freddie's demise he's done a fucking darn sight more for BRIAN MAY'S BANK BALANCE by use of the QUEEN name and some interesting redeployment of song-writing credits

...which is what i've maintained all the way through this...i don't care whether it's because Brian May is a barefaced liar or if it's just lucky the way the royalties are working out - whichever way the truth is - it still works out to Brian May's benefit...he's NOW making the lion's share....financially!!!

Oh - and as both Arlene and myself said earlier....The tour should have a setlist that's reflective of what QUEEN WOULD PLAY LIVE - but it ain't....and if oNE OF THE REASONS...is because PR can't sing freddie's songs - then get some f**ker who can sing them!!!!

Serry... wrote:

And about if the song suited to someone's voice or not - though I'm not an expert as I wrote - but Roger himself sung everything he wanted to sing on his solo concerts - I Want To Break Free, The Show Must Go On, We Will Rock You, Lennon's and Hendrix songs etc. etc. etc. and I'm not sure that fans were disappointed! So, it's not a problem to re-arrange song for making it suited to someone's voice, IMHO.

Serry... wrote:

Who said about 'our fave tracks are not in the list'? All Queen tracks are my fave ones - from Arboria to The Show Must Go On. We said about Freddie's tracks which are not in the list.

Some of fans, guys, want to hear real hard rock songs - and yes, most of them were written by Brian, but some other guys want to hear classic Queen songs (most of the stuff what you can label as 'classic' was written by Freddie, and no matter if you miss or not about Killer Queen, but it was first Queen super-hit) too! Not only Brian's hard rock numbers.

This is not about Paul Rodgers, this is not about what the set list must be in my opinion, this is not about if they played good or bad, you still don't get the point... Just read my reply about 'I Want It All' (STUDIO version) and 'Mother Love'.

And, Bobby, then you're saying "you complain about this, you complain about that" - please name persons who do you mean by this "you".

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

Bobby_brown wrote:

And wat`s your problem about that, he deserves every single penny of it!
John is siting at home watching his bank acount grow, and doing nothing for it.
And if Brian his getting more from WWRY, he`s the one who works more too, so...

Take care

i'll tell you what the f**king problem is. The Company is called QUEEN PRODUCTIONS LTD not BRIAN MAY PLC, so HE should be looking ou for the interests of ALL C

And gee I thought I said in my 1st post on this thread that Freddie's had some clunker songs after Hot Space, but he also had some WONDERFUL songs like Is This The World We Created and (Innuendo which we NOW know Freddie wrote).

Plus more of Freddie's 70's early 80's catalog, whic DEFINED Queen, should be represented.

Oh...and you're not gonna tell me that Brian, Roger & John didn't write some crap clunkers too you know!

If you think all this is just me, Sergey, and Martin thinking ''conspiracy theories'' by Brian implementing a diminished amount of Freddie's songs in this tour..

...Paul Rodgers CAN sing stunning, intricate, ballads...think Bad Company's ''Silver Blue & Gold'' (never included in the set)... (which I requested way back)...

..and...''Seagull'' which I have said repeatedly on QZ was my favorite song from Paul's repetoire that he performed with Queen on this tour...but that the song WAS CUT from the setlist...and WHY?

Hmmmmmmmmmm

Could it be that Brian doesn't want Paul getting more royalyties too?

It all adds up, when you throw this into the mix as well.

Brian wants to be the Top Dog of royalties and also have his creative cannon be the main focus of the tour and Brian's ''revised'' version and vision of Queen to people.

Arlene R. Weiss wrote:

but that the song WAS CUT from the setlist...and WHY?

Hmmmmmmmmmm

Could it be that Brian doesn't want Paul getting more royalyties too?

Oh god... They added WISHING WELL... And replaced SEAGULL with SAY IT'S NOT TRUE- that's Roger's track, not Brian's...

I think the whole discussion shows one thing- none of you know the behind-the-scenes part and you guys know musician profession only from the spotlight perspective.... Yes, I guess Paul COULD hev sang some of the Freddie's tracks- and do it KIND OF good... They had rehearsals and I'm sure tried few different bits and pieces. Paul from the start was saying that he would like to TRY "The World We Created...?" and "Innuendo". When you rehearse some tracks sound better, some doesn't sound that good. You're coming back on stage after 19 or so years- you want the show to be the best of the best. So you choose those tracks that worked BEST... And the reality is- Brian's track are almost created especially for Paul... They always had this bluesy feeling, let it be Fat Bottomed Girls or even Show Must Go On... I guess Paul COULD HAVE sang Killer Queen- it could have been all right... But just all right... I Want It All sounds better but c'mon- we need to include X number of Fred's tracks... C'mon- this is ridiculous, it never works this way. When it does it's a disaster and artistic death...
Paul was asked to this tour because both Roger and Brian felt comfortable playing some songs with him. It seemed natural for both parties- no-one was a loser. For Paul it was huge enough step- don't you think he was really nervous when he agreed? I was at Brixton- I saw how anxious and nervous all musicians were- Paul, Brian, Roger... They weren't sure if the whole thing is going to work. They were really afraid they are going to fail. Brixton was a succes- because of the audience, performance wasn't actually that good- it was getting better with every single gig...
They were afraid- obviously if you're not naturally confident you want to do the stuff you can do the best- no experiments, just whatever you can do best. When you think you can fail you chose to perform something that works BEST... You don't do fancy stuff as than you make yourself even more fragile and nervous and unsure of outcome. Musician needs confidence. Paul wouldn't feel confident singing Bicycle Race, I can assure you. For Brian it was always more natural to play Tie Your Mother Down than Don't Stop Me Now... And him writing those songs means he knows them better than anything else.
The whole tour was an experiment- no-one knew if it's going to work. It was also a tribute- Paul did a good job with whatever he sang. Imagine they played Somebody To love and failed- wouldn't you Arlene than say that they should have left it, that it's obvious only Freddie could sang that properly OR that they should have gone on tour with George Michael...? So why RISK when you have more to lose than to win? You don't increse the chances of your own failure!!! Paul was always a bluesy-rock singer. Brian was always a rock guitarist. Roger is a kick ass rock drummer. The stuff they paly seems the most natural- NATURAL.

And few more points.
SEAGULL disappeared from the set list because stupid fans the moment they saw Roger coming to play congas were screaming- the song was beautiful and reflective and it just was terrible... In the middle of it- whoooaaaa, Roger, we love you... give me a break- I'd take it of the setlist as well... An that was my fav moment in Brixton... (apart from TYMD)
Little Bit Of Love was also gone after few gigs. Arlene- please check the facts before you make assumptions. Those two tracks dissapeared from the set list when Paul started having problems with his voice- they had to change many things for the time being... And after that they didn't come back. From the perspective? Little Bit Of Love was the song that didn't w

<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:

...answer me this....

why are there so little songs from the last three albums? - it' ain't the 'intricacy of the songs freddie composed' theory, because there's plenty freddie wrote on those last three cds that paul could do.
i'll tell you why...it's because the song-writing credits were all credited equally to 'queen'
so BHM would have to split the song-royalties four ways if they were performed live

I'll answe this question for you as a musician. It's again the same stuff of being uncertain about the outcome. The songs they chose to play they
a: know by heart (many tours usually)
b: feel NATURAL with...
They already had to learn and rehears to death all those songs of Free and Bad Comapny catalogue. Working with Miracle, Innuendo and MiH tracks would have been again the same- learning them pretty much from scratch, adapting them for the stage... It's a hell of a process!!! I Want It All is straightforward and it didn't require that much effort... And they played These Are The days... and Show Must Go On- you have to agree that those were extremely important in Queen history... They rehearesd a lot prior to this tour- you could SEE THAT on actual tour... Putting even more Miracle tracks... Maybe if they had another 2-3 months of rehearsing...? That's a lot- and thay did a lot. New bass player, new arrangements (second guiatar), new songs (Paul's stuff)... Man- new vocalist... It's not atht easy to create unit out of that!!! Fuckin' hell- that IS a lot. I'm teling you as a musician they worked their asses off as this show wouldn't be that good without it... Adding songs NEVER PALYED BEFORE (talking Miracle stuff), adding songs NEVER ADDAPTED TO STAGE... Did they appear at the Tribute? No! Were Show Must Go On, These Are The days... and I Want It All ever performed? YES- so they were already addapted!!! God, it's as simple! Why do you think in Birmingham they added Anothr One Bites The Dust and not Breakthru? Beacuse they know it by heart AND they only had to remember how to play it, not to write new arrangements and pretty much re-invent the track... Same goes for another new track that they added to setlist- Under Pressure. Another one they knew by heart, another one that required only remebering... And before you jump with laziness and everything- I can tell you that they worked their asses off. I saw 7 gigs, I saw sweat, I saw a hard work done on maaaaany rehersals a it all worked PERFECTLY when they reached UK for the second time. I saw few ppl who before were justa bunch of musicians and at the end were a real UNIT. It's obvious you don't know how difficult is THIS to achieve... And I also saw delight on everyone's faces- Brian's, but also Roger's, Pauls', even Danny's... And the audience- mesmerized by the experience... You can say I sit down Brian's ass- whatever. But I know what I saw. And I kinda know how it works BEHIND THE SCENES... George Michael prepared Somebody To Love beautifully but he had all the time in the world at home to learn 3 SONGS! That's it. THREE! Paul had to learn about 25 of them. Obviously with that number (and it's fucking huge- I'm telling you this as a vocalist- 25 songs you have NEVER sang is a lot to rehearse...) he couldn't spend a month trying to crack Somebody To Love and neglect the rest. They chose 25 he could learn in time( not talking lyrincs- talking phrasing, talking feeling the song...). And those were the ones that fitted Paul, Brian, Roger... And before someone will say that there were singers who could do it. Yeah, sure. They'd have problems with tie Your Mother down than... Or WATC... At the end of the day- Freddie was unique. Did you want a clone? I didn't. THAN it would have been re-writing history. The whole POINT was to work with DIFFERENT singer and showmen, who had enough range and talent to pull it off. IMHO the whole tour was an artistic success. It WAS

Very well said Fenderek. I thought i was the only one thinking like that.
As i told before, it`s very beatifull to say we want Killer Queen, but try play that song with a band and see how hard it is!

Really, man those words were highly apreciated, and as a guitar player myself, i know what you`re talking about. I thought i was going crazy!!

Take care

Well put, Fenderek. You won't get Scully, Mulder and The Cancer Man to understand you, but you're spot on. I think the 3 people who post about Brian rewriting the history or doing it for royalties are fans of the music, who don't really understand a lot about music and how difficult it is to perform if you're not comfortable, or how tough it is to learn new material.

Again... "These three people" were writing about ROYALTIES! R O Y A L T I E S! One of those people called Serry wrote about STUDIO tracks! About to whom they CREDITED!

It's like if I say: "2+2=4" and you'd reply to me with "3+3=6, shut up, Serry!". We still talking about different things... You want to talk about if song suited to Paul's voice or not, I wanted to talk about I Want It All and Mother Love but you ignored my posts (except BHM who was honest and said "I can't answer" - that's it!). I asked the question which no-one could answered, so you came with the answers to other questions which I haven't asked for and even wanted me to ban for it.

Serry... wrote:

It's like if I say: "2+2=4" and you'd reply to me with "3+3=6, shut up, Serry!". We still talking about different things... You want to talk about if song suited to Paul's voice or not, I wanted to talk about I Want It All and Mother Love but you ignored my posts

I didn't ignore it- Brenski's and Arlene's were more evident and they went on and on about the tour. I guess my reply was more to them thann to you...

Serry... wrote:

Again... "These three people" were writing about ROYALTIES! R O Y A L T I E S! One of those people called Serry wrote about STUDIO tracks! About to whom they CREDITED!

OK- fuck knows about it. I'll admit that as well. BUT MAYBE- JUST MAYBE I Want it All was totally finished- from start to bottom, whereas the rest of'em were still arranged by entire band? That goeas for Hijack My Heart for instance... We DON'T KNOW that Roger wrote everything- he sang, but maybe most of the arrangements were John's? IWIA was apaprently (according even to John in interview in 1989) THE ONLY TRACK that was finished even before they hit the studio. HEADLONG was written by Brian but maybe someone else had the input?
C'mon- we all work on what we know- but we definitely don't know EVERYTHING. I for instance refuse to believe that Roger is a pushover and just let Brioan take credit when he wasn't the one to and didn't fight for his own cut... Mother Love was written by two of them- probably arranged than as well. Yes- Freddie wrote A Winter's Tale- LYRICS. But we don't know who did arrangements, do we? Same goes for many others- Freddie wrote Don't Try So Hard but apparently others had an input. I agree to some degree that it's strange when credits suddenly change (check Floyds- they can't make up their mind who wrote what...) but saying taht history is being re-written and that it's all to erase Freddie's imput is just... I can't find the word- ridiculous seems too soft...
PS
Even if it was really roger who wrote Hijck... entirely.. Can you see the fact taht new credits appeared on new release? That means that maybe- MAYBE- Hijack would also have credits saying ATYLOR but the song was simply unreleased since 1989!!!! WTF do you want them to do? Go second hand shops and change every single cover with marker pen? And one more thing- what's the credit on mini vinyls?

Fenderek, you don't know, I don't know - but I give theory, you don't - that's it. Don't believe it? Okay! Just say "I don't believe in this", but instead of this simple and polite answer I've read here everything about how it's hard for Paul to sing this or that, how I put Brian's name in shit, that I'm need to be banned from QueenZone...

I wrote in one of my first replies "I'm a not music expert, so I'd better listen to what you guys say about it" - did someone read this line? Or it was discovered right now on 5th page of the thread? You don't like theories - okay, I won't post any theories.

PS: Brian said that Freddie wrote The Miracle, this song was released many-many times after 1989 and it's on GVHII credited to Queen, while on the same DVD IWIA credited to Brian - this is the answer to your PS.