So far Queen trading is the upmost different community in terms of what gets out, and what you need to even get stuff you would otherwise never have.
Meeting people in other bands trading circles I was shocked at how easy and how so much is shared without after thought.
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Im into bootleg colleting, and well, i've seen that there's a lot of careless about Queen roios, i love how zepp community has grown, the audio quality and video. Now im amazed about all the new video discoveries about Pink Floyd, the dvds has outstandin quality, really amazin. Queen community has to grow, a lot should i say
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=black>Dennis Daja<h6>QZs God wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Now, don't let this become a share or not topic.
The point is that Queen boots are from low gen's and lousy compiled and dressed ect.
And why can't we help eachother out to get nice shows on the market! So you really get an interesting DVD wich you wanna play over and over again.
I also take this Queen+ Paul Rodgers tour as example, there are an AWFUL lot video boots on the market, with a lot of different sources. Why don't we compile those camera shots, and make nice shows with best audio/video?
Even those short shots from like a telephone can have interesting shots in ex. quality.
Perhaps we people could team up and make a Queen+ Paul Rodgers tour DVD collection. With nice menu's, compiled camera shots, nice audio.
But the point is, who can do what? and who is willing to move his/her arse? and who is willing to give his private recording to deliver the best possible experience?
The more angles the interesting![/QUOTE]
Interesting points. It all comes down to who WANTS to give up their footage. I just dont see that happening. I like the idea, but people giving up vid - I just dont see that happening
The point is that Queen boots are from low gen's and lousy compiled and dressed ect.
And why can't we help eachother out to get nice shows on the market! So you really get an interesting DVD wich you wanna play over and over again.
I also take this Queen+ Paul Rodgers tour as example, there are an AWFUL lot video boots on the market, with a lot of different sources. Why don't we compile those camera shots, and make nice shows with best audio/video?
Even those short shots from like a telephone can have interesting shots in ex. quality.
Perhaps we people could team up and make a Queen+ Paul Rodgers tour DVD collection. With nice menu's, compiled camera shots, nice audio.
But the point is, who can do what? and who is willing to move his/her arse? and who is willing to give his private recording to deliver the best possible experience?
The more angles the interesting![/QUOTE]
Interesting points. It all comes down to who WANTS to give up their footage. I just dont see that happening. I like the idea, but people giving up vid - I just dont see that happening
Interesting discussion. Just a couple of my thoughts:
1. I have a feeling the Queen community is not as friendly as communities of other bands. This is caused by the overall approach to trading. There are selfish collectors who keep their stuff for themselves and there are selfish leechers who keep asking for free stuff without giving anything in return. That's a neverending fight and the situation won't be changed sooner than in 5-10 years.
2. I don't think there's so much stuff that isn't shared. There are probably some "very rare" recordings, for example those that GH mentioned. But how much is that? 5-10% of all the Queen recordings. I think we all can live without them.
The low gen. videos were in posession of long-time Queen traders who in most cases "retired" when Freddie died. The new generation of fans don't have access to these old videos, that's what I think.
Look at Queen + PR tour - there's a HUGE amount of DVD's available, most are in almost excellent quality, some are even multi-angle. It's getting better.
1. I have a feeling the Queen community is not as friendly as communities of other bands. This is caused by the overall approach to trading. There are selfish collectors who keep their stuff for themselves and there are selfish leechers who keep asking for free stuff without giving anything in return. That's a neverending fight and the situation won't be changed sooner than in 5-10 years.
2. I don't think there's so much stuff that isn't shared. There are probably some "very rare" recordings, for example those that GH mentioned. But how much is that? 5-10% of all the Queen recordings. I think we all can live without them.
The low gen. videos were in posession of long-time Queen traders who in most cases "retired" when Freddie died. The new generation of fans don't have access to these old videos, that's what I think.
Look at Queen + PR tour - there's a HUGE amount of DVD's available, most are in almost excellent quality, some are even multi-angle. It's getting better.
I completely agree with you Martin.
The Queen community isn't very friendly towards trading and or sharing of bootleg recordings, but that is not just because of those who are unwilling to share their "rare" recordings. I even think that the least of all problems.
This is my point of view:
It has more to do with the so called leechers and commercial bootleggers (mostly from Japan).
Two examples from the past:
Many years ago I traded/released the 1984 and 1986 recordings of Queen in Vienna from master tape, only to find out that in less then 2 months (!!!) all of these recordings were available on silver pressed bootlegs. The same thing happened with all Bowie recordings from Vienna. The funny thing was that the Bowie shows were from MP3 source, inferior quality recordings.
The result: my supplier quit supplying me with other recordings, he doesn't want his recordings to be available for those who are only in it for the money.
At the same time there was a person in Brussels who supplied me with some rare recordings (also from master tape and/or 1st generations - Queen as well as Bowie recordings), he told me he was thrilled by the fact that he could do Queen and Bowie fans a favour by releasing his high quality recordings...
Same thing there: in a couple of months most of his recordings were on silver pressed CDs. Result: he decided not to release any other recordings from his collection.
The Led Zeppelin market seems more friendly towards trading, same thing goes for Bob Dylan fans.
But that may have to do with the fact that the Led Zeppeling and Bob Dylan community had there problems with commercial bootleggers long time before the Queen community had.
I know that the Bob Dylan community started a different approach many years ago (as early as 1998), releasing as much as possible from the lowest available sources - there were tons of user groups dedicated to trading/sharing Bob Dylan recordings. If you can't win the war against commercial bootleggers than release as much as possible for free, so that the commercial bootleggers have a hard time selling their (already wide available) recordings. Those who are/were interested in Bob Dylan recordings already had what they wanted - or they could easily get it.
Maybe in 5 years or so the same thing will happen with Queen recordings, but as long as there are commercial bootleggers and leechers there will be a lot of traders who are unwilling to share there "elusive" recordings with other traders.
The Queen community isn't very friendly towards trading and or sharing of bootleg recordings, but that is not just because of those who are unwilling to share their "rare" recordings. I even think that the least of all problems.
This is my point of view:
It has more to do with the so called leechers and commercial bootleggers (mostly from Japan).
Two examples from the past:
Many years ago I traded/released the 1984 and 1986 recordings of Queen in Vienna from master tape, only to find out that in less then 2 months (!!!) all of these recordings were available on silver pressed bootlegs. The same thing happened with all Bowie recordings from Vienna. The funny thing was that the Bowie shows were from MP3 source, inferior quality recordings.
The result: my supplier quit supplying me with other recordings, he doesn't want his recordings to be available for those who are only in it for the money.
At the same time there was a person in Brussels who supplied me with some rare recordings (also from master tape and/or 1st generations - Queen as well as Bowie recordings), he told me he was thrilled by the fact that he could do Queen and Bowie fans a favour by releasing his high quality recordings...
Same thing there: in a couple of months most of his recordings were on silver pressed CDs. Result: he decided not to release any other recordings from his collection.
The Led Zeppelin market seems more friendly towards trading, same thing goes for Bob Dylan fans.
But that may have to do with the fact that the Led Zeppeling and Bob Dylan community had there problems with commercial bootleggers long time before the Queen community had.
I know that the Bob Dylan community started a different approach many years ago (as early as 1998), releasing as much as possible from the lowest available sources - there were tons of user groups dedicated to trading/sharing Bob Dylan recordings. If you can't win the war against commercial bootleggers than release as much as possible for free, so that the commercial bootleggers have a hard time selling their (already wide available) recordings. Those who are/were interested in Bob Dylan recordings already had what they wanted - or they could easily get it.
Maybe in 5 years or so the same thing will happen with Queen recordings, but as long as there are commercial bootleggers and leechers there will be a lot of traders who are unwilling to share there "elusive" recordings with other traders.
Hey YV,
This is a discussion about bootlegs, not a freaking request!
Why do you move it to the request section?
This is a discussion about bootlegs, not a freaking request!
Why do you move it to the request section?
I just long for the day when the YV decides to share the version of No One But You with Freddie on vocals.
Totally agree with you Dennis.
I just go for the throat when i say it.
Good to see ...that you now see
Just to add to your knowledge........IF a DVD is known to out there somewhere,no VCD of it will be released.It will be squashed so as to keep the quality of said DVD.
This stops crap quality in years to come.....like the said files you get on here
Unfortunatly,half you lot spend so much time collecting crap quality & then compressing that into an even crappier quality that you all think that its the bees knees & have lost touch with what is right.
It wont happen though Den....1/2 on here cant even get rapidshare to work and HDVob,vob,mpeg2,mpeg1,wmv & rm is just a picture and wma,ra,mp3,ogg,ape,flac,shn & wav are just sound to queenzone eyes & ears.....quality is not in the equation.
Ive seen on here excellent quality quoted for a 38Mb VCD lasting 20 minutes.
You've all lost touch man!
Flacs being fucked into mp3 days after its release.
Ive seen DVD's put into windows avi days after.
I have even seen the worst SVCD put together job(marumbi)ever.Not 1 thing correct in the video structure of it.
In 2 years you will all be looking/listening at crap again for something that was recorded this year mainly because you havnt a clue as to what you are doing & dont wish to learn.
People.....
the smaller the file,the crappier the quality is..(as a general rule of thumb).
The more compressed the more you lose.
As for menus.....hahahahha
read above
I'm with the 5% who keep what they have that is in great quality.......only because we know that you will fuck it quicker than it took to make it.
And we like to keep it that way
When you learn to respect quality....we will give.
Your choice,we already have them.
I just go for the throat when i say it.
Good to see ...that you now see
Just to add to your knowledge........IF a DVD is known to out there somewhere,no VCD of it will be released.It will be squashed so as to keep the quality of said DVD.
This stops crap quality in years to come.....like the said files you get on here
Unfortunatly,half you lot spend so much time collecting crap quality & then compressing that into an even crappier quality that you all think that its the bees knees & have lost touch with what is right.
It wont happen though Den....1/2 on here cant even get rapidshare to work and HDVob,vob,mpeg2,mpeg1,wmv & rm is just a picture and wma,ra,mp3,ogg,ape,flac,shn & wav are just sound to queenzone eyes & ears.....quality is not in the equation.
Ive seen on here excellent quality quoted for a 38Mb VCD lasting 20 minutes.
You've all lost touch man!
Flacs being fucked into mp3 days after its release.
Ive seen DVD's put into windows avi days after.
I have even seen the worst SVCD put together job(marumbi)ever.Not 1 thing correct in the video structure of it.
In 2 years you will all be looking/listening at crap again for something that was recorded this year mainly because you havnt a clue as to what you are doing & dont wish to learn.
People.....
the smaller the file,the crappier the quality is..(as a general rule of thumb).
The more compressed the more you lose.
As for menus.....hahahahha
read above
I'm with the 5% who keep what they have that is in great quality.......only because we know that you will fuck it quicker than it took to make it.
And we like to keep it that way
When you learn to respect quality....we will give.
Your choice,we already have them.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]PieterMC wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I just long for the day when the YV decides to share the version of No One But You with Freddie on vocals.[/QUOTE]
As long as it was encoded by someone else though hahahhaha
As long as it was encoded by someone else though hahahhaha
This is a great discussion.
I think that Queen should reflect about this, and about their Bootlegers fight, releasing bootlegs!!!
Many bands today are selling soundboard concerts on their sites (Metallica, etc), but not Queen.
Queen are an elite band, and they didn´t realise that there isn`t market anymore for live CD releases like before.
Nowaday, who reach number 1 with a live record?
They could make so much money if they decided to sell real concerts instead of bootlegs.
Take care
I think that Queen should reflect about this, and about their Bootlegers fight, releasing bootlegs!!!
Many bands today are selling soundboard concerts on their sites (Metallica, etc), but not Queen.
Queen are an elite band, and they didn´t realise that there isn`t market anymore for live CD releases like before.
Nowaday, who reach number 1 with a live record?
They could make so much money if they decided to sell real concerts instead of bootlegs.
Take care
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]928 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Totally agree with you Dennis.
I just go for the throat when i say it.
Good to see ...that you now see
Just to add to your knowledge........IF a DVD is known to out there somewhere,no VCD of it will be released.It will be squashed so as to keep the quality of said DVD.
This stops crap quality in years to come.....like the said files you get on here
Unfortunatly,half you lot spend so much time collecting crap quality & then compressing that into an even crappier quality that you all think that its the bees knees & have lost touch with what is right.
It wont happen though Den....1/2 on here cant even get rapidshare to work and HDVob,vob,mpeg2,mpeg1,wmv & rm is just a picture and wma,ra,mp3,ogg,ape,flac,shn & wav are just sound to queenzone eyes & ears.....quality is not in the equation.
Ive seen on here excellent quality quoted for a 38Mb VCD lasting 20 minutes.
You've all lost touch man!
Flacs being fucked into mp3 days after its release.
Ive seen DVD's put into windows avi days after.
I have even seen the worst SVCD put together job(marumbi)ever.Not 1 thing correct in the video structure of it.
In 2 years you will all be looking/listening at crap again for something that was recorded this year mainly because you havnt a clue as to what you are doing & dont wish to learn.
People.....
the smaller the file,the crappier the quality is..(as a general rule of thumb).
The more compressed the more you lose.
As for menus.....hahahahha
read above
I'm with the 5% who keep what they have that is in great quality.......only because we know that you will fuck it quicker than it took to make it.
And we like to keep it that way
When you learn to respect quality....we will give.
Your choice,we already have them.[/QUOTE]
The sky is falling. Dry up and use a spectral analyzer if you are so worried about the trading pool.
Your "respect for quality" is just an smokescreen so you can show your contempt for the regular fan.
I just go for the throat when i say it.
Good to see ...that you now see
Just to add to your knowledge........IF a DVD is known to out there somewhere,no VCD of it will be released.It will be squashed so as to keep the quality of said DVD.
This stops crap quality in years to come.....like the said files you get on here
Unfortunatly,half you lot spend so much time collecting crap quality & then compressing that into an even crappier quality that you all think that its the bees knees & have lost touch with what is right.
It wont happen though Den....1/2 on here cant even get rapidshare to work and HDVob,vob,mpeg2,mpeg1,wmv & rm is just a picture and wma,ra,mp3,ogg,ape,flac,shn & wav are just sound to queenzone eyes & ears.....quality is not in the equation.
Ive seen on here excellent quality quoted for a 38Mb VCD lasting 20 minutes.
You've all lost touch man!
Flacs being fucked into mp3 days after its release.
Ive seen DVD's put into windows avi days after.
I have even seen the worst SVCD put together job(marumbi)ever.Not 1 thing correct in the video structure of it.
In 2 years you will all be looking/listening at crap again for something that was recorded this year mainly because you havnt a clue as to what you are doing & dont wish to learn.
People.....
the smaller the file,the crappier the quality is..(as a general rule of thumb).
The more compressed the more you lose.
As for menus.....hahahahha
read above
I'm with the 5% who keep what they have that is in great quality.......only because we know that you will fuck it quicker than it took to make it.
And we like to keep it that way
When you learn to respect quality....we will give.
Your choice,we already have them.[/QUOTE]
The sky is falling. Dry up and use a spectral analyzer if you are so worried about the trading pool.
Your "respect for quality" is just an smokescreen so you can show your contempt for the regular fan.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bobby_brown wrote: [/QUOTENAME]This is a great discussion.
I think that Queen should reflect about this, and about their Bootlegers fight, releasing bootlegs!!!
Many bands today are selling soundboard concerts on their sites (Metallica, etc), but not Queen.
Queen are an elite band, and they didn´t realise that there isn`t market anymore for live CD releases like before.
Nowaday, who reach number 1 with a live record?
They could make so much money if they decided to sell real concerts instead of bootlegs.
Take care[/QUOTE]
I would agree but - I paid and downloaded one of the Metallica soundboard recordings and the quality is surprisingly MUCH worse than any audience recording from the Q+PR tour.
I think that Queen should reflect about this, and about their Bootlegers fight, releasing bootlegs!!!
Many bands today are selling soundboard concerts on their sites (Metallica, etc), but not Queen.
Queen are an elite band, and they didn´t realise that there isn`t market anymore for live CD releases like before.
Nowaday, who reach number 1 with a live record?
They could make so much money if they decided to sell real concerts instead of bootlegs.
Take care[/QUOTE]
I would agree but - I paid and downloaded one of the Metallica soundboard recordings and the quality is surprisingly MUCH worse than any audience recording from the Q+PR tour.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=black>Dennis Daja<h6>QZs God wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Hey YV,
This is a discussion about bootlegs, not a freaking request!
Why do you move it to the request section?[/QUOTE]
Too stupid to know in which forum you are typing, aren't you? I thought you left the board - another empty promise I guess.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]928 wrote:
As long as it was encoded by someone else though hahahhaha[/QUOTE]
You are getting boring. Nobody can hurt your recordings. You can keep them in the quality you want. If someone else wants to keep them in an inferior quality, it's none of your business.
As to my encodings: you don't need to download them. They are for free and I never claimed I am a professional video encoder. I am self taught and I do the best job I can. Strangely, the so called quality conscious traders think they are not so bad. I do agree with you thinking it's not a good idea to convert VOBs to wmv or mpg1 and flac or other lossless audio to wma or mp3 but again that's everybody's own choice and none of your or my business.
This is a discussion about bootlegs, not a freaking request!
Why do you move it to the request section?[/QUOTE]
Too stupid to know in which forum you are typing, aren't you? I thought you left the board - another empty promise I guess.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]928 wrote:
As long as it was encoded by someone else though hahahhaha[/QUOTE]
You are getting boring. Nobody can hurt your recordings. You can keep them in the quality you want. If someone else wants to keep them in an inferior quality, it's none of your business.
As to my encodings: you don't need to download them. They are for free and I never claimed I am a professional video encoder. I am self taught and I do the best job I can. Strangely, the so called quality conscious traders think they are not so bad. I do agree with you thinking it's not a good idea to convert VOBs to wmv or mpg1 and flac or other lossless audio to wma or mp3 but again that's everybody's own choice and none of your or my business.
Brilliant thread...
And I agree- we are as guilty as the leechers... What do we do about it?
An idea. Create a group of people. Let's make a group of people, devoted enough to trading and trying to obtain really rare (or interesting) bootlegs in as low quality as possible... Someone was talking about The Who fans... Let's do just that! Maybe not spending thousands of pounds, but give what we can- someone will find something nice, someone else will edit it nice, someone else will make menu and so on- different people have different talents... We don't have to live near each other- and I guess an initiative like that could work! All we would need is few people with some real skills, knowledge and dedication,. people who DO care about quality, people who don't think there's no difference between mp3 and WAVE... What we need is good collectors, good editors, dedicated fans... Well? I think we COULD do it- the question is- who would be up for it? I think taht could work, don't you?
We can complain until we're blue on the face- that won't change anything. We can- on the other hand- join our forces and do something... By joining the efforts in trading we could easier find more interesting stuff (one person will make contact wih someone in point A, the other one will make contact with someone in point B- they want each others gigs, we are in the middle, we get both of them). Three or six people trading and devoting their time will have more chances than one. We could pull it off!!!
I'm up for it. Anyone else? I'm dead serious- that could work...! At the end of the day that could benefit various projects... Our knowledge of the band would be greater, it could better any future Queen Live projects ;) and it would maybe result in few things (CDs, videos) that could compete with Who / Floyd / Zeppelin stuff... That's what I can think of...
And I'm not talking specifically about Q+PR... I think there is A LOT we could do with the early years...
As for how is it now... I guess the Zep and Who communities are of more mature people, aren't they? There are collectors and fans who are 40-50 years old, devoted for YEARS... What I can see here is many kids, who can't see a difference between mp3 and losseless... The moment they learn why is it important to keep this stuff in better quality they... move to other bands... Correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I see it...
And I agree- we are as guilty as the leechers... What do we do about it?
An idea. Create a group of people. Let's make a group of people, devoted enough to trading and trying to obtain really rare (or interesting) bootlegs in as low quality as possible... Someone was talking about The Who fans... Let's do just that! Maybe not spending thousands of pounds, but give what we can- someone will find something nice, someone else will edit it nice, someone else will make menu and so on- different people have different talents... We don't have to live near each other- and I guess an initiative like that could work! All we would need is few people with some real skills, knowledge and dedication,. people who DO care about quality, people who don't think there's no difference between mp3 and WAVE... What we need is good collectors, good editors, dedicated fans... Well? I think we COULD do it- the question is- who would be up for it? I think taht could work, don't you?
We can complain until we're blue on the face- that won't change anything. We can- on the other hand- join our forces and do something... By joining the efforts in trading we could easier find more interesting stuff (one person will make contact wih someone in point A, the other one will make contact with someone in point B- they want each others gigs, we are in the middle, we get both of them). Three or six people trading and devoting their time will have more chances than one. We could pull it off!!!
I'm up for it. Anyone else? I'm dead serious- that could work...! At the end of the day that could benefit various projects... Our knowledge of the band would be greater, it could better any future Queen Live projects ;) and it would maybe result in few things (CDs, videos) that could compete with Who / Floyd / Zeppelin stuff... That's what I can think of...
And I'm not talking specifically about Q+PR... I think there is A LOT we could do with the early years...
As for how is it now... I guess the Zep and Who communities are of more mature people, aren't they? There are collectors and fans who are 40-50 years old, devoted for YEARS... What I can see here is many kids, who can't see a difference between mp3 and losseless... The moment they learn why is it important to keep this stuff in better quality they... move to other bands... Correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I see it...
I'm okay with you, Fenderek. Let's go for it.
Write me at jumeteor_concerts(at)hotmail.com so we can see what we can do about this great project.
Write me at jumeteor_concerts(at)hotmail.com so we can see what we can do about this great project.