[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Pim Derks wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Why bother when there are professionally recorded shows (the stuff which was shown on the screen was also recorded) and in the hands of some collectors ? [/QUOTE]
Why bother? I'll tell you why - 'in the hands of the collectors' means you're not going to ever see or hear it unless you dig giving fellatio. Or maybe if you're a big knob who has Face it Alone and shit.
Hahah.
No really - I do think projects like this hurt no one except for the person paying for it. I see it in all corners of the internet - for instance, people who share the 'original' versions of Star Wars. This shit costs a packet if you do it on any scale, and of course the hard work is usually unrewarded, but merely 'covered'.
I still think it should all just be released, BAM. Hahaha.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]928 wrote:
As long as it was encoded by someone else though hahahhaha[/QUOTE]
You are getting boring. Nobody can hurt your recordings. You can keep them in the quality you want. If someone else wants to keep them in an inferior quality, it's none of your business.
As to my encodings: you don't need to download them. They are for free and I never claimed I am a professional video encoder. I am self taught and I do the best job I can. Strangely, the so called quality conscious traders think they are not so bad. I do agree with you thinking it's not a good idea to convert VOBs to wmv or mpg1 and flac or other lossless audio to wma or mp3 but again that's everybody's own choice and none of your or my business.[/QUOTE]
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You bite toooooooo easy YV.
Well done for being self taught.....C- at the moment though.Keep going though.
I know i have the choice to download your stuff.Been bitten twice......i choose not to (yet)thx.
The unknowing Queenzone member only has lossy & inferior quality anyway so its not much to compare to is it?
Agreed ,everybody has the choice in what quality to have....you miss the point again.
If lossless is what it is served in,then bloody keep it lossless. THEN ..if YOU WANT, convert to mp3 FOR YOUR OWN USE....WHEN you have downloaded the LOSSLESS files.Dont re-distribute them as lossy crap for 1 eared people.
Nice to see that you dissapprove of people converting to an inferior quality.....seems you are jumping the fence as well now :)
As long as it was encoded by someone else though hahahhaha[/QUOTE]
You are getting boring. Nobody can hurt your recordings. You can keep them in the quality you want. If someone else wants to keep them in an inferior quality, it's none of your business.
As to my encodings: you don't need to download them. They are for free and I never claimed I am a professional video encoder. I am self taught and I do the best job I can. Strangely, the so called quality conscious traders think they are not so bad. I do agree with you thinking it's not a good idea to convert VOBs to wmv or mpg1 and flac or other lossless audio to wma or mp3 but again that's everybody's own choice and none of your or my business.[/QUOTE]
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You bite toooooooo easy YV.
Well done for being self taught.....C- at the moment though.Keep going though.
I know i have the choice to download your stuff.Been bitten twice......i choose not to (yet)thx.
The unknowing Queenzone member only has lossy & inferior quality anyway so its not much to compare to is it?
Agreed ,everybody has the choice in what quality to have....you miss the point again.
If lossless is what it is served in,then bloody keep it lossless. THEN ..if YOU WANT, convert to mp3 FOR YOUR OWN USE....WHEN you have downloaded the LOSSLESS files.Dont re-distribute them as lossy crap for 1 eared people.
Nice to see that you dissapprove of people converting to an inferior quality.....seems you are jumping the fence as well now :)
I think it's you who misses the point. I encode tapes I buy, get from other fans or film myself. It's my hobby and I share the greatest part of my encodings with other fans in the hub. What happens to the files does not bother me unless it's sold, I do not like that at all. I really do not see why you should mind, just leave them alone if you do not like them. There should be room for you and me in this world.
Richard started a sharing community here many years ago with the mp3 server hosted by Tim Davis. At the time it was the only format you could share online because server space and bandwidth were enormous. I know what I talk about because I hosted a QZ server for a while myself. Through the QZ server fans all over the world had the first chance to get complete bootlegged concerts on a regular basis for free. Later Richard brought the tracker and now it's possible to share lossless files. However, it was never the intention of QZ to restrict sharing to the best possible version in a mandatory format. It was always the intention to give Queen fans the possibility to share with other fans whatever they want in whichever format (as long as it's inofficial). When fans have slow connection or not much HD space they can share wma or mp3 or RealAudio - whatever. Of course it's better to share a better format but that is everybody's own choice.
There has always been a trading community who did not swap mp3 or other lossless format and it's live and let live. Most traders I know see it just like I do. I have to say I do not understand the arrogance you display here. It's not your website, your forum and you have never shared anything lossless or not. Why in all the world would you care what other fans share here for free. It's not that anyone takes anything away from you.
Richard started a sharing community here many years ago with the mp3 server hosted by Tim Davis. At the time it was the only format you could share online because server space and bandwidth were enormous. I know what I talk about because I hosted a QZ server for a while myself. Through the QZ server fans all over the world had the first chance to get complete bootlegged concerts on a regular basis for free. Later Richard brought the tracker and now it's possible to share lossless files. However, it was never the intention of QZ to restrict sharing to the best possible version in a mandatory format. It was always the intention to give Queen fans the possibility to share with other fans whatever they want in whichever format (as long as it's inofficial). When fans have slow connection or not much HD space they can share wma or mp3 or RealAudio - whatever. Of course it's better to share a better format but that is everybody's own choice.
There has always been a trading community who did not swap mp3 or other lossless format and it's live and let live. Most traders I know see it just like I do. I have to say I do not understand the arrogance you display here. It's not your website, your forum and you have never shared anything lossless or not. Why in all the world would you care what other fans share here for free. It's not that anyone takes anything away from you.
I'm a Pink Floyd and Guns N' Roses fan too, and generally I can get (within reason) what concert on DVD I want from the them. The advent of torrenting and DVD authoring/burning have opened people to share more, which is fantastic. The Queen community IS behind, but it is also getting better, and mainly because of this site. I remember 5 years ago when I first came here, I'd have to trade something just to get a common b-side track hehe! But things like the hub do help. I guess things arn't shared so much here because of the wealth of potential meterial available - there is just so much live recordings and videos to know where to start. With GN'R I've noticed there's more of a commeradery(sp?!) with fans because the material is so much less, people work together to give fellow fans the best.
Here I'd love to see the big collectors get a meeting of the minds to locate the best quality video recordings of the more "common" concerts, ie. Earls Court '77, Paris '79, Hammersmith '79, South America '81 and present them as DVDs to torrent. I've seen it with GN'R and PF, and the results are great. At the moment there are too many people uploading whatever quality concert they have, and it's hard to know what to have. We need some definitive, or as close as possible, fan-made DVDs so that they can be circulated to "flush" out any inferior versions out there. Would be wonderful I think.
Here I'd love to see the big collectors get a meeting of the minds to locate the best quality video recordings of the more "common" concerts, ie. Earls Court '77, Paris '79, Hammersmith '79, South America '81 and present them as DVDs to torrent. I've seen it with GN'R and PF, and the results are great. At the moment there are too many people uploading whatever quality concert they have, and it's hard to know what to have. We need some definitive, or as close as possible, fan-made DVDs so that they can be circulated to "flush" out any inferior versions out there. Would be wonderful I think.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]928 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Well done for being self taught.....C- at the moment though.Keep going though.
I know i have the choice to download your stuff.Been bitten twice......i choose not to (yet)thx.[/QUOTE]
You are a perfect example of why I will no longer share anything through QZ. Why you are bashing YV is beyond me. She has contributed more to this site than you ever will.
Bitch, moan, complain thats the norm here these days.
People share a DVD, straight away people start asking for it in a different format, same with flac.
People create a torrent. Thats not good enough, some need it as rapidshare and vice versa.
It's a shame that people cannot be happy with what you can get from here.
Well done for being self taught.....C- at the moment though.Keep going though.
I know i have the choice to download your stuff.Been bitten twice......i choose not to (yet)thx.[/QUOTE]
You are a perfect example of why I will no longer share anything through QZ. Why you are bashing YV is beyond me. She has contributed more to this site than you ever will.
Bitch, moan, complain thats the norm here these days.
People share a DVD, straight away people start asking for it in a different format, same with flac.
People create a torrent. Thats not good enough, some need it as rapidshare and vice versa.
It's a shame that people cannot be happy with what you can get from here.
And lets not forget that the so-called collectors were the first ones to share in mp3, sometimes with 120kb/s or less, so they could keep the flac quality for a trade.
In Queen comunity is all about trade. And even when they share, they share in a crap quality so they could trade their superior quality with other things.
Bootlegers are allways looking for the better quality ones too. The reason they don´t have those is because they were never shared in Flac quality. Don´t doubt that as soon as the concerts starts to be shared in Flac, they stop converting mp3 to other formats to sell.
Queenzone is a great source of concerts, so if people start sharing in Flac, in less than a year the "bad" sounding bootlegs will disappear.
But i really don´t think this is going to happen.
Collectors are complaining but it´s their interest that the rest of the fans have lower quality items, because in the end that means bigger strenght in trading negotiations.
The reason they are all so frustrated is because they are buying the crap quality ones, and they don`t wan`t to waste money. I´ve been there too.
They have sent the virus, and now are getting the desease too.
Of course that i´m affected too, because now when i buy a bootleg i only buy it if it is before 2004, because after that it may be a Queenzone shared file in mp3.
Take care
In Queen comunity is all about trade. And even when they share, they share in a crap quality so they could trade their superior quality with other things.
Bootlegers are allways looking for the better quality ones too. The reason they don´t have those is because they were never shared in Flac quality. Don´t doubt that as soon as the concerts starts to be shared in Flac, they stop converting mp3 to other formats to sell.
Queenzone is a great source of concerts, so if people start sharing in Flac, in less than a year the "bad" sounding bootlegs will disappear.
But i really don´t think this is going to happen.
Collectors are complaining but it´s their interest that the rest of the fans have lower quality items, because in the end that means bigger strenght in trading negotiations.
The reason they are all so frustrated is because they are buying the crap quality ones, and they don`t wan`t to waste money. I´ve been there too.
They have sent the virus, and now are getting the desease too.
Of course that i´m affected too, because now when i buy a bootleg i only buy it if it is before 2004, because after that it may be a Queenzone shared file in mp3.
Take care
Fantastic thread and very interesting. If I can add my thoughts I totally agree with the comments about the dedication of bootleggers for other artists compared to the majority of the Queen stuff.
The Led Zeppelin community is suberb at producing top quality stuff, taking time and effort to source original 1st gen material, and release it to an almost professional standard. The EV release DVD of the '75 Earls Court shows and the Watchtower DVD '79 Knebworth shows, given the age of the material, could almost be professional releases.
And if you want to see levels of dedication bordering on the obsessional, the Prince trading community is incredible. There are a large number of people who clearly know what they are doing in terms of remastering and producing professional DVDs. How they get the best material available I have no idea but the collected videos currentlty runs to 8 DVDs all pretty much in imacculate quality, even ones that have never been commercially released (and even some that have never been seen before!) and the current collection of outtakes and demos which has assembled every Prince track never released has just been remastered and enhanced and now runs to 33 CDs!! All shared on the the Prince hub as rar files in the best quality. If you want to see how dedicated these guys are look at thedatabank.org for the sheer quantity and quality.
This doesnt seem to exist in the Queen community. Dont get me wrong this isnt a criticism, as I wouldnt know where to start to produce a DVD of the quality of Led Zep or Prince ones, but it does seem that we as Queen fans are missing out.
The Led Zeppelin community is suberb at producing top quality stuff, taking time and effort to source original 1st gen material, and release it to an almost professional standard. The EV release DVD of the '75 Earls Court shows and the Watchtower DVD '79 Knebworth shows, given the age of the material, could almost be professional releases.
And if you want to see levels of dedication bordering on the obsessional, the Prince trading community is incredible. There are a large number of people who clearly know what they are doing in terms of remastering and producing professional DVDs. How they get the best material available I have no idea but the collected videos currentlty runs to 8 DVDs all pretty much in imacculate quality, even ones that have never been commercially released (and even some that have never been seen before!) and the current collection of outtakes and demos which has assembled every Prince track never released has just been remastered and enhanced and now runs to 33 CDs!! All shared on the the Prince hub as rar files in the best quality. If you want to see how dedicated these guys are look at thedatabank.org for the sheer quantity and quality.
This doesnt seem to exist in the Queen community. Dont get me wrong this isnt a criticism, as I wouldnt know where to start to produce a DVD of the quality of Led Zep or Prince ones, but it does seem that we as Queen fans are missing out.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=black>Dennis Daja<h6>QZs God wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Hey YV,
This is a discussion about bootlegs, not a freaking request!
Why do you move it to the request section?[/QUOTE]
Too stupid to know in which forum you are typing, aren't you? I thought you left the board - another empty promise I guess.
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Too stupid to answer my question, right?
Allright I didn't look good wether it was the sharing the music - announce or the sharing the music - request section.
But please tell me what has this topic to do with announces? I mean I can't see the connection.
And please quote in wich message I said I would leave. I never said I would leave.
But really, talking about that isn't my intention with this topic.
This is a discussion about bootlegs, not a freaking request!
Why do you move it to the request section?[/QUOTE]
Too stupid to know in which forum you are typing, aren't you? I thought you left the board - another empty promise I guess.
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Too stupid to answer my question, right?
Allright I didn't look good wether it was the sharing the music - announce or the sharing the music - request section.
But please tell me what has this topic to do with announces? I mean I can't see the connection.
And please quote in wich message I said I would leave. I never said I would leave.
But really, talking about that isn't my intention with this topic.
Reading is not your strongest skill, either, isn't it?
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The Queen Hub, Queen BitTorrents. Also general swapping / trading
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=black>Dennis Daja<h6>QZs God wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It does contain for like 95% only fools.
You can see that by their answers inserious discussions.
The endlless remarks about Paul Rodgers, aids, sexuality's, uploading official stuff.
I can't care bout this useless peace of junk, I've moved my arse to www.queenforum.nl[/QUOTE]
quoted from the personal forum.
Description of this forum:
The Queen Hub, Queen BitTorrents. Also general swapping / trading
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=black>Dennis Daja<h6>QZs God wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It does contain for like 95% only fools.
You can see that by their answers inserious discussions.
The endlless remarks about Paul Rodgers, aids, sexuality's, uploading official stuff.
I can't care bout this useless peace of junk, I've moved my arse to www.queenforum.nl[/QUOTE]
quoted from the personal forum.
Personally I am tired of seeing people that I have never even heard of suddenly popping up and demanding things in a certain format.
QZ provides people with an chance to get recordings that they probably would never have otherwise. Many fans really appreciate this but there are many that take it for granted. It's a shame really.
QZ provides people with an chance to get recordings that they probably would never have otherwise. Many fans really appreciate this but there are many that take it for granted. It's a shame really.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]928 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Unfortunatly,half you lot spend so much time collecting crap quality & then compressing that into an even crappier quality that you all think that its the bees knees & have lost touch with what is right.
It wont happen though Den....1/2 on here cant even get rapidshare to work and HDVob,vob,mpeg2,mpeg1,wmv & rm is just a picture and wma,ra,mp3,ogg,ape,flac,shn & wav are just sound to queenzone eyes & ears.....quality is not in the equation.
In 2 years you will all be looking/listening at crap again for something that was recorded this year mainly because you havnt a clue as to what you are doing & dont wish to learn.
I'm with the 5% who keep what they have that is in great quality.......only because we know that you will fuck it quicker than it took to make it.
And we like to keep it that way
When you learn to respect quality....we will give.
Your choice,we already have them.[/QUOTE]
Fantastic post, and I agree with every word of it, particularly the parts I quoted above. It's because most people in the Queen community don't know how to keep things in good quality that people who have great Queen recordings won't share them out of fear that the recording will be shared in 1/4 the quality within a week. And unfortunately, this can't be stopped immediately. All one can do is raise awareness of the issues, and hopefully people will slowly come to learn.
But at the moment, this the reality of the situation: Queenzone is the primary reason why so many recordings are left unheard and unseen. People like myself who respect quality are in the minority here, and we suffer because most of the people here at the moment just don't care.
We're not criticizing those who share. The intention to share is always appreciated. But if things can be shared in the best possible quality, then that's the way it should be. If people don't want to download such big files, or don't know how to, then they can't want the recordings that badly.
It wont happen though Den....1/2 on here cant even get rapidshare to work and HDVob,vob,mpeg2,mpeg1,wmv & rm is just a picture and wma,ra,mp3,ogg,ape,flac,shn & wav are just sound to queenzone eyes & ears.....quality is not in the equation.
In 2 years you will all be looking/listening at crap again for something that was recorded this year mainly because you havnt a clue as to what you are doing & dont wish to learn.
I'm with the 5% who keep what they have that is in great quality.......only because we know that you will fuck it quicker than it took to make it.
And we like to keep it that way
When you learn to respect quality....we will give.
Your choice,we already have them.[/QUOTE]
Fantastic post, and I agree with every word of it, particularly the parts I quoted above. It's because most people in the Queen community don't know how to keep things in good quality that people who have great Queen recordings won't share them out of fear that the recording will be shared in 1/4 the quality within a week. And unfortunately, this can't be stopped immediately. All one can do is raise awareness of the issues, and hopefully people will slowly come to learn.
But at the moment, this the reality of the situation: Queenzone is the primary reason why so many recordings are left unheard and unseen. People like myself who respect quality are in the minority here, and we suffer because most of the people here at the moment just don't care.
We're not criticizing those who share. The intention to share is always appreciated. But if things can be shared in the best possible quality, then that's the way it should be. If people don't want to download such big files, or don't know how to, then they can't want the recordings that badly.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE] We're not criticizing those who share. The intention to share is always appreciated. But if things can be shared in the best possible quality, then that's the way it should be.
If people don't want to download such big files, or don't know how to, then they can't want the recordings that badly.
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Nah - I'm just deaf and can not hear much of a difference ... Trading is too time intensive (and political). I would rather buy a bootleg than trade for one
If people don't want to download such big files, or don't know how to, then they can't want the recordings that badly.
????
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Nah - I'm just deaf and can not hear much of a difference ... Trading is too time intensive (and political). I would rather buy a bootleg than trade for one
"But at the moment, this the reality of the situation: Queenzone is the primary reason why so many recordings are left unheard and unseen"
You must be joking. The main reason why recordings are "unheard or unseen" is that you do not trade with the people who have them. How can you blame Queenzone for that. Just look which recordings have been shared here in the last year - loads of concerts and videos in good quality. It's true that some sharers retired because of the attitude of many people demanding other formats but you cannot deny that many concerts which were quite "new" have been shared here in nice quality. For example Liverpool 73 was shared in the same quality as the copy that was sold on the convention 2004. All the concerts provided by whitemanadmin and his "secret provider" were the best possible available version. Previously rare videos like the St. Paul DVD were shared in the best available version etc etc
You must be joking. The main reason why recordings are "unheard or unseen" is that you do not trade with the people who have them. How can you blame Queenzone for that. Just look which recordings have been shared here in the last year - loads of concerts and videos in good quality. It's true that some sharers retired because of the attitude of many people demanding other formats but you cannot deny that many concerts which were quite "new" have been shared here in nice quality. For example Liverpool 73 was shared in the same quality as the copy that was sold on the convention 2004. All the concerts provided by whitemanadmin and his "secret provider" were the best possible available version. Previously rare videos like the St. Paul DVD were shared in the best available version etc etc
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Queenzone is the primary reason why so many recordings are left unheard and unseen.[/QUOTE]
Bullshit! The primary reason is that some collectors want to have unique stuff and they never trade their recordings! Or they place restrictions on some recordings! (And why do I have a feeling that you behave in the same way?...). I know collectors who would rather die instead of spreading their recordings - that's absolutely ridiculous!
Quality issue? Another bullshit! Some people simply can't download 4 GB! If I wasn't a collector, I wouldn't bother with downloading FLAC files, I'd be happy with MP3's. Missing frequencies? Who cares, for fucks sake? Shitty audience recording in FLAC or MP3, what's the difference? Yes, if people trade, they should make absolutely clear what they trade. If people download MP3's and then burn them as audioCD's and trade them, then they're stupid and I understand the worries. But that's (hopefully) an exception.
Bullshit! The primary reason is that some collectors want to have unique stuff and they never trade their recordings! Or they place restrictions on some recordings! (And why do I have a feeling that you behave in the same way?...). I know collectors who would rather die instead of spreading their recordings - that's absolutely ridiculous!
Quality issue? Another bullshit! Some people simply can't download 4 GB! If I wasn't a collector, I wouldn't bother with downloading FLAC files, I'd be happy with MP3's. Missing frequencies? Who cares, for fucks sake? Shitty audience recording in FLAC or MP3, what's the difference? Yes, if people trade, they should make absolutely clear what they trade. If people download MP3's and then burn them as audioCD's and trade them, then they're stupid and I understand the worries. But that's (hopefully) an exception.
"People like myself who respect quality are in the minority here, and we suffer because most of the people here at the moment just don't care."
You know, Bob - this is another thing I will never understand. Why do you suffer if some kids keep their stuff in mp3? Collecting bootlegs is fun and when you start to "suffer" you should question your approach. Queenzone is not the center of the world, there is collecting outside of QZ. It's just a website offering a place to share and there should be more appreciation and less complaining. It's not that your recordings are spoiled in any way because people share the same recordings in another format. I really don't understand why people cannot take what is offered and get the rest somewhere else.
Btw, your Copenhagen 77 audio recording was mp3 sourced and you traded it. The standard lossless version came from Dimeadozen and was re-shared on Queenzone. In this case it was the sharers who provided the lossless format and not the quality conscious trader.
You know, Bob - this is another thing I will never understand. Why do you suffer if some kids keep their stuff in mp3? Collecting bootlegs is fun and when you start to "suffer" you should question your approach. Queenzone is not the center of the world, there is collecting outside of QZ. It's just a website offering a place to share and there should be more appreciation and less complaining. It's not that your recordings are spoiled in any way because people share the same recordings in another format. I really don't understand why people cannot take what is offered and get the rest somewhere else.
Btw, your Copenhagen 77 audio recording was mp3 sourced and you traded it. The standard lossless version came from Dimeadozen and was re-shared on Queenzone. In this case it was the sharers who provided the lossless format and not the quality conscious trader.